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US border agents to pursue migrants in ‘sanctuary’ cities

TU Curmudgeon said:
More correctly "Sounds like someone who looks at the facts rather than simply accepting whatever The Current Response And Position Bulletin says the currently operative, government sanctioned, White House approved, "Claque Trump" proclaimed version of reality is as fact.
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Sounds like an even bigger conspiracy when you put it like that...
 
americanwoman said:
The way ICE does it sometimes is. Anyone who wants to protect our 4th Amendment rights should be aware of ICE and their handling of immigrants. We cannot let our freedoms go unchecked to get illegal immigrants.
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You understand they are criminals? Yes? They are ILLEGAL, so they have committed at least one crime.
 
the, this of Promotion not merely the, that of Provision. We are to Promote the general welfare whenever the right wing has nothing but the bigotry of the general badfare.
 
j brown's body said:
Its a sad joke. If they were really carrying out the law, they would go to areas where they have local cooperation and their efforts would be effective.

But they don't care about that. They choose sanctuary cities in order to be a nuisance and a terror to the local authorities and the people in the community.

As always, with this sick bunch, the cruelty's the point.
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Sanctuary cities choose to be sanctuaries in order to be a nuisance.
 
American said:
You understand they are criminals? Yes? They are ILLEGAL, so they have committed at least one crime.
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And? The government still has to follow the constitution when detaining people.

Illegal Immigrant Rights | Lawyers.com

Constitutional Rights
Even if you're in the United States without permission or proper immigration documents, various sections of the U.S. Constitution apply to you. There is a particularly important provision of the Fourteenth Amendment stating that, "No state shall . . . deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
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americanwoman said:
And? The government still has to follow the constitution when detaining people.

Illegal Immigrant Rights | Lawyers.com
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Not necessarily. The jurisdiction of the US Constitution extends to its borders, and no further. Which means that those who are detained outside the borders of the US are not subject to the US Constitution, or its protection. Which is specifically why GITMO was created to house the terrorist POWs from Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere. Had they been brought into the US, then they would have had due process, legal representation, and the right to a quick and speedy trial. By keeping them outside the borders of the US they were entitled to nothing. That applies to immigration as well. Which is why there are detention camps in Mexico and not the US.
 
Luther said:
Not at all

People just ignore the facts I post and pretend there is nothing bad happening still while Trump is Prez
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You haven't posted any facts of import. No one I know of is pretending anything of the sort. It's just that whatever is going on is so much better than it would be under a D administration.
 
americanwoman said:
And? The government still has to follow the constitution when detaining people.

Illegal Immigrant Rights | Lawyers.com
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Are you really trying to tell that to someone who appears to think that ONLY American citizens have "constitutional rights" AND that they have the same "constitutional rights" REGARDLESS of whether they are in the United States of America or not?
 
smallvoice said:
You haven't posted any facts of import. No one I know of is pretending anything of the sort. It's just that whatever is going on is so much better than it would be under a D administration.
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One more time

*23 Trillion in national debt and GROWING

*Back to Trillion dollar deficit(Obama era)

*Legal immigration has been twice as much as it should be since 1990

*44% of Americans pay NO FED income tax while others are forced to

* Dreamers have de facto AMNESTY

* American at best 17th in the world in EDUCATION

Now, hurry, just move along as fast as you can!
 
American said:
Didn't avoid it, wtf do you want me to say? Yeah, we have lots of problems in this country; the biggest being a group of people who want to completely subvert the Constitution.
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And pray tell for example how our 23 TRILLION and counting national debt has anything to do with the constitution?

Pray tell how the constitution has anything to do with 44% of Americans NOT paying a Fed income tax while others are forced to?

Pray tell how the constitution has anything to do with the twice as much legal immigration than what we should have since 1990?
 
Luther said:
And pray tell for example how our 23 TRILLION and counting national debt has anything to do with the constitution?

Pray tell how the constitution has anything to do with 44% of Americans NOT paying a Fed income tax while others are forced to?

Pray tell how the constitution has anything to do with the twice as much legal immigration than what we should have since 1990?
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Without a working Constitution that most people believe and follow, none of ^^^^ will end up mattering. I agree that debt is way out of line for 15 years. But we have states that are being turned blue in order to nullify the Constitution.
 
American said:
Without a working Constitution that most people believe and follow, none of ^^^^ will end up mattering. I agree that debt is way out of line for 15 years. But we have states that are being turned blue in order to nullify the Constitution.
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Hey, all that is Happening under your working constitution

Remember, the Constitution is ONLY as good as the people. Otherwise, it's just paper
 
Luther said:
Hey, all that is Happening under your working constitution

Remember, the Constitution is ONLY as good as the people. Otherwise, it's just paper
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Well why don't you post some practical solutions, and we'll discuss them. ;) And how about you get out of your ****ty mood, I didn't cause this.
 
American said:
Well why don't you post some practical solutions, and we'll discuss them. ;) And how about you get out of your ****ty mood, I didn't cause this.
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Well why don't you post some practical solutions,
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Sure, but practical?

More like in protest and unconventional(American)

Nothing happens for the better politically for us until, we first fix our citizenry

And this has to happen first starting outside of the broken political process/system

I didn't cause this.
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I didn't either, that would be past/present citizenry and the vain politicians that they had elected
 
Luther said:
Sure, but practical?

More like in protest and unconventional(American)

Nothing happens for the better politically for us until, we first fix our citizenry

And this has to happen first starting outside of the broken political process/system



I didn't either, that would be past/present citizenry and the vain politicians that they had elected
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Go on, we're listening.
 
American said:
Go on, we're listening.
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You sure?

Just a little while ago you were on some were a enemy to the constitution(In so many words) when it was our majority people with our constitution that has created the problem?

Amen?
 
Luther said:
You sure?

Just a little while ago you were on some were a enemy to the constitution(In so many words) when it was our majority people with our constitution that has created the problem?

Amen?
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Who are you? Someone took over Luther's account.
 
American said:
Without a working Constitution that most people believe and follow, none of ^^^^ will end up mattering. I agree that debt is way out of line for 15 years. But we have states that are being turned blue in order to nullify the Constitution.
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Isn't the simple solution to run 50 U.S. Code SUBCHAPTER IV § 841 to § 844 through a word processor and insert Democrat (in the appropriate form) in place of the word "Communist"?

That wouldn't take a constitutional amendment and would result in an equivalent to 841 that would read

The Congress finds and declares that the Democratic Party of the United States, although purportedly a political party, is in fact an instrumentality of a conspiracy to overthrow the Government of the United States. It constitutes an authoritarian dictatorship within a republic, demanding for itself the rights and privileges accorded to political parties, but denying to all others the liberties guaranteed by the Constitution. Unlike political parties, which evolve their policies and programs through public means, by the reconciliation of a wide variety of individual views, and submit those policies and programs to the electorate at large for approval or disapproval, the policies and programs of the Democratic Party are secretly prescribed for it by the foreign leaders of the world Democratic movement. Its members have no part in determining its goals, and are not permitted to voice dissent to party objectives. Unlike members of political parties, members of the Democratic Party are recruited for indoctrination with respect to its objectives and methods, and are organized, instructed, and disciplined to carry into action slavishly the assignments given them by their hierarchical chieftains. Unlike political parties, the Democratic Party acknowledges no constitutional or statutory limitations upon its conduct or upon that of its members. The Democratic Party is relatively small numerically, and gives scant indication of capacity ever to attain its ends by lawful political means. The peril inherent in its operation arises not from its numbers, but from its failure to acknowledge any limitation as to the nature of its activities, and its dedication to the proposition that the present constitutional Government of the United States ultimately must be brought to ruin by any available means, including resort to force and violence. Holding that doctrine, its role as the agency of a hostile foreign power renders its existence a clear present and continuing danger to the security of the United States. It is the means whereby individuals are seduced into the service of the world Democratic movement, trained to do its bidding, and directed and controlled in the conspiratorial performance of their revolutionary services. Therefore, the Democratic Party should be outlawed.
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TU Curmudgeon said:
Isn't the simple solution to run 50 U.S. Code SUBCHAPTER IV § 841 to § 844 through a word processor and insert Democrat (in the appropriate form) in place of the word "Communist"?

That wouldn't take a constitutional amendment and would result in an equivalent to 841 that would read

The Congress finds and declares that the Democratic Party of the United States, although purportedly a political party, is in fact an instrumentality of a conspiracy to overthrow the Government of the United States. It constitutes an authoritarian dictatorship within a republic, demanding for itself the rights and privileges accorded to political parties, but denying to all others the liberties guaranteed by the Constitution. Unlike political parties, which evolve their policies and programs through public means, by the reconciliation of a wide variety of individual views, and submit those policies and programs to the electorate at large for approval or disapproval, the policies and programs of the Democratic Party are secretly prescribed for it by the foreign leaders of the world Democratic movement. Its members have no part in determining its goals, and are not permitted to voice dissent to party objectives. Unlike members of political parties, members of the Democratic Party are recruited for indoctrination with respect to its objectives and methods, and are organized, instructed, and disciplined to carry into action slavishly the assignments given them by their hierarchical chieftains. Unlike political parties, the Democratic Party acknowledges no constitutional or statutory limitations upon its conduct or upon that of its members. The Democratic Party is relatively small numerically, and gives scant indication of capacity ever to attain its ends by lawful political means. The peril inherent in its operation arises not from its numbers, but from its failure to acknowledge any limitation as to the nature of its activities, and its dedication to the proposition that the present constitutional Government of the United States ultimately must be brought to ruin by any available means, including resort to force and violence. Holding that doctrine, its role as the agency of a hostile foreign power renders its existence a clear present and continuing danger to the security of the United States. It is the means whereby individuals are seduced into the service of the world Democratic movement, trained to do its bidding, and directed and controlled in the conspiratorial performance of their revolutionary services. Therefore, the Democratic Party should be outlawed.
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I did something similar when I was hiring for my business. I used 42 U.S. Code § 2000e–2(f) which allowed me to discriminate against members of the Communist Party or Communist-action or Communist-front organizations. Which obviously includes the Democratic Party.
 
Glitch said:
I did something similar when I was hiring for my business. I used 42 U.S. Code § 2000e–2(f) which allowed me to discriminate against members of the Communist Party or Communist-action or Communist-front organizations. Which obviously includes the Democratic Party.
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Indeed, it is NOT illegal to discriminate (in hiring) against a person based on their political beliefs, be those beliefs Communist, or Republican.

It is also NOT illegal to discriminate (in any other area) against a person based on their political beliefs, be those beliefs Communist or Republican.

In short, if every grocery retail operation in the US decided that they would NOT sell anything to any "Registered Republican" then they would be 100% at liberty to do so. This might cause some slight inconvenience to one or two "Registered Republicans" but because America is a country where "The Rule of Law" prevails, I am sure that you would staunchly defend their right to do just that.

Well, wouldn't you?

PS - Are you celebrating the 75[sup]th[/sup] anniversary of THIS important historical event?
 
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