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Senate moves to limit Trump on military force against Iran

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The Senate approved a bipartisan measure Thursday aimed at limiting President Donald Trump’s authority to launch military operations against Iran, with eight Republicans joining Democrats in a post-impeachment bid to constrain the White House.

The rebuke was the Senate’s first major vote since acquitting Trump on impeachment charges last week. Trump is expected to veto the war powers resolution if it reaches his desk, warning that if his “hands were tied, Iran would have a field day.’”

The measure, authored by Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va., says Trump must win approval from Congress before engaging in further military action against Iran. Kaine and other supporters said the resolution, which passed 55-45, was not about Trump or even the presidency, but instead was an important reassertion of congressional power to declare war.

While Trump and other presidents “must always have the ability to defend the United States from imminent attack, the executive power to initiate war stops there,″ Kaine said. “An offensive war requires a congressional debate and vote.″

Senate moves to limit Trump on military force against Iran




The thing is, Trump isn't going to be in office forever. Whatever congress does to Trump, it will cover future presidents as well.

The president is the executive branch one of the three branches of government who are opposed to each other. Executive, legislative and judicial. Do we want a weak presidency? A weak third branch?
 
The thing is, Trump isn't going to be in office forever. Whatever congress does to Trump, it will cover future presidents as well.

The president is the executive branch one of the three branches of government who are opposed to each other. Executive, legislative and judicial. Do we want a weak presidency? A weak third branch?

First, Senate gave up Congress's standing as an equal branch of government by allowing this and future Presidents to be completely unaccountable.

Second, how is this piece of paper going to stop Trump from starting a war with Iran? He can still do it just fine, and Senate will not do a thing other than maybe wave their finger at him.
 
First, Senate gave up Congress's standing as an equal branch of government by allowing this and future Presidents to be completely unaccountable.

Second, how is this piece of paper going to stop Trump from starting a war with Iran? He can still do it just fine, and Senate will not do a thing other than maybe wave their finger at him.


Depends on what their new law says. What if it says, "the president shall not use the military without getting congress's permission first?"

When you write the laws, you can do pretty much whatever you want.
 
Depends on what their new law says. What if it says, "the president shall not use the military without getting congress's permission first?"

When you write the laws, you can do pretty much whatever you want.

And? You don't think Trump will care, do you?

He can just say such law was unconstitutional and this was a self-defense move because Iran ... <make up some conspiracy theory>

That's the point - laws are WORTHLESS with this President because he is not just lawless, but openly lawless, and Senate made it clear it won't stand in his way.
 
The thing is, Trump isn't going to be in office forever. Whatever congress does to Trump, it will cover future presidents as well.

The president is the executive branch one of the three branches of government who are opposed to each other. Executive, legislative and judicial. Do we want a weak presidency? A weak third branch?

Equal branches would be nice, sorta' like the constitution says.

Do you or any other trump supporters think this war act will stop trump from doing anything he pleases? If he decides he wants another drone strike on some other person in the middle east with the word terrorist attached to their name, he's going to do it and screw congress.

Trump will not be in office forever and when a democrat gets in their and starts declaring national emergencies here there and everywhere, the right will be screaming about exceeding the power of the president.

Folks on the right have created a monster and nobody knows who it's going to eat next.
 
And? You don't think Trump will care, do you?

He can just say such law was unconstitutional and this was a self-defense move because Iran ... <make up some conspiracy theory>

That's the point - laws are WORTHLESS with this President because he is not just lawless, but openly lawless, and Senate made it clear it won't stand in his way.



If congress writes a new law saying he has to get their permission before using the military and Trump doesn't get their permission, they can impeach him and it will stick.
 
If congress writes a new law saying he has to get their permission before using the military and Trump doesn't get their permission, they can impeach him and it will stick.

Well let's see, Trump had time to brag to his buddies at his golf course about it, but couldn't notify other members of congress. What should congress do, let Trump do whatever he wants, when he wants and not bother notifying them?
 
It's okay for Trump to use his personal lawyer and government resources to dig up dirt on political opponents. It's okay for Trump to fire people for following their chain of command when it didn't benefit him. It's okay for Trump to lie, and cheat if he believes it is the country's best interest.
However, going crazy in Iran is something they need to restrain him on. Otherwise, what will people say about the Senate standing by passively?

Lol, Republicans are frauds.

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It’s OK for liberals to make **** up because they are petty bitches.

El oh El. Democrats are frauds.
 
If congress writes a new law saying he has to get their permission before using the military and Trump doesn't get their permission, they can impeach him and it will stick.

After last impeachment, I don't think anyone actually believes that.
 
The thing is, Trump isn't going to be in office forever. Whatever congress does to Trump, it will cover future presidents as well.

The president is the executive branch one of the three branches of government who are opposed to each other. Executive, legislative and judicial. Do we want a weak presidency? A weak third branch?

I hope so. The thing is, do we want a too strong a president? Power has been moving from the congress to the office of the president for the last 20 years, it's time to reverse that trend. I have no problem with that covering Republicans or Democrats.
 
The thing is, Trump isn't going to be in office forever. Whatever congress does to Trump, it will cover future presidents as well.

The president is the executive branch one of the three branches of government who are opposed to each other. Executive, legislative and judicial. Do we want a weak presidency? A weak third branch?
I hope the bill passes and he signs it into law. What we want is to force congress to take ownership of these endless military conflicts that they get us into. I am 100% in favor of making congress vote to authorize military action.

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I hope the bill passes and he signs it into law. What we want is to force congress to take ownership of these endless military conflicts that they get us into. I am 100% in favor of making congress vote to authorize military action.

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While I agree in principle, like most laws, this one seems awfully lacking in the details, and specifics. I want an informed President to take immediate action pending imminent danger, and I don't want him handcuffed whilst doing so. But, on the other hand offensive wars should require congressional approval.

Tim-
 
The thing is, Trump isn't going to be in office forever. Whatever congress does to Trump, it will cover future presidents as well.

The president is the executive branch one of the three branches of government who are opposed to each other. Executive, legislative and judicial. Do we want a weak presidency? A weak third branch?

You have to be the first person in a long time that is worried about a "weak executive" branch..... Novel ideas is what makes debate interesting. Your take here certainly is novel.
 
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