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John Kelly says Vindman was right to report Trump's call with Zelensky

Conservative said:
I have given you a chance to convince me
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Your mistake is believing I care about convincing someone who probably won't be here for the next 25 years, much less 50 years, about anything.

That's embarrassing.

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Royal PITA said:
Anarchists are anti-government and Anarchists support AntiFa.

Antifa activists are anarchists, and they’re violent
Democratic legislators are considering doing just that. Good for them. Far-right militants such as the Proud Boys and the Fraternal Order of Alt-Knights would be classified similarly. That’s good, too. When law and order break down, the government has a duty to step in.

Just because they claim to oppose fascism doesn’t make antifa activists liberals in black balaclavas. They’re communists and anarchists. No, those aren’t pejoratives in this context. It isn’t red-baiting when you’re talking about honest-to-goodness reds. Those are facts

antifa | anarchistnews.org

FBI, Homeland Security warn of more ‘antifa’ attacks - POLITICO

Examining Whether the Terrorism Label Applies to Antifa

ICE detention center attacker killed by police was an avowed antifa anarchist, authorities say - U.S. - Stripes
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File dump to the benefit of white supremacists.
 
Vindman had nothing of substance to offer. It's time to get over this guy.
 
Hatuey said:
Your mistake is believing I care about convincing someone who probably won't be here for the next 25 years, much less 50 years, about anything.

That's embarrassing.

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Why are you in a debate forum since you have no interest in debating? Claiming you are a moderate is an embarrassment as there isn't a moderate alternative in today's Democratic Party. You just want attention
 
Conservative said:
Why are you in a debate forum
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Yet another meaningless question that ignores the simple point I have made. I know enough about you to know that you've got maaaaaybe 5-10 years if you play your cards right.

My interest is in reaching people who will be here long beyond that. Not people on their way out and with nothing to lose by defending Trump.

Lol, knowing all of this, how embarrassing is it to believe you're part of my long term plans or that I care about convincing someone who has a 50-50 chance of out living Trump? You're a parody of what a right winger sounds like and unlike cpwill I have no interest in embarrassing you.





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Hatuey said:
Yet another meaningless question that ignores the simple point I have made. I know enough about you to know that you've got maaaaaybe 5-10 years if you play your cards right.

My interest is in reaching people who will be here long beyond that. Not people on their way out and with nothing to lose by defending Trump.

Lol, knowing all of this, how embarrassing is it to believe you're part of my long term plans or that I care about convincing someone who has a 50-50 chance of out living Trump? You're a parody of what a right winger sounds like and unlike cpwill I have no interest in embarrassing you.





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If you are interested in reaching people then you better be talking about issues that actually affect people and nothing you have posted does that. That American people will re-elect Trump because they are better off today than 3 years ago and will be better off on election day. Economic issues matter to most Americans but not you who have never taken a civics class to understand what a President does and doesn't control, SOCIAL PROGRAMS
 
HumblePi said:
Let me get this straight. You consider The Atlantic to be mainstream media?
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It's definitely mainstream leftist media. It's not an extremist outlet.

So you think they're the same as say, Reuters, the BBC or the New York Times?
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Chris Cuomo - one of the people cited - is on CNN. Do you consider CNN "mainstream media"?
 
Conservative said:
What results, the election is in November, not February and poll numbers without a specific candidate are irrelevant. What matters to people including you are economic numbers and the ability to put a roof over your head, clothes on your back, food on the table. 56% of the American people like what Trump is doing and that means re-election IF those results hold. Only radicals promote popularity polls and social issues which aren't Presidential responsibilities
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No, you're a radical!

You're such a cute old man.

The t-shirt I'm wearing says "Never underestimate an old man with a motorcycle." What does yours say? Lemme guess...

"Never trust an old man who repeats himself. Never trust an old man who repeats himself." By golly, I think I've found it!
 
Michael Cole said:
No, you're a radical!

You're such a cute old man.

The t-shirt I'm wearing says "Never underestimate an old man with a motorcycle." What does yours say? Lemme guess...

"Never trust an old man who repeats himself. Never trust an old man who repeats himself." By golly, I think I've found it!
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This is a debate forum which you apparently don't understand. If you want to debate the issue, I am here but doubt that you offer anything of value
 
Conservative said:
This is a debate forum which you apparently don't understand. If you want to debate the issue, I am here but doubt that you offer anything of value
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Now, listen carefully...

Reread what you just wrote, and pretend it's from me. Got it Sport? Can you handle that? Not to difficult a task, now is it?
 
Michael Cole said:
Now, listen carefully...

Reread what you just wrote, and pretend it's from me. Got it Sport? Can you handle that? Not to difficult a task, now is it?
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Dismissed!! No reason to continue any communication with you
 
Conservative said:
Dismissed!! No reason to continue any communication with you
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Like I said, "Never trust an old man who repeats himself."

You are sooooooooooooooooo cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuute. Just a little old cutie pie you are. Smile Conservative...smile...
 
Conservative said:
And I will keep reminding you that results matter not senseless charges and liberal witch hunts that divert from the failed policies and agenda of the left.
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You pretend Putin is a quiet old guy who minds his own business tending to his potato patch inside the Kremlin. You're grossly wrong when you think Putin is going to leave America's wealth and resources to Americans whom he hates. Putin is Russian not American. Putin is for Russia the Motherwhatever not for you.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
John Kelly says Vindman was right to report Trump's call with Zelensky - CNNPolitics





I'm glad Kelly spoke up in support of Vindman. There has been a lot of false information and red herrings being thrown about concerning the fact that Vindman violated the chain of command. We have to remember that in the United States everyone who serves the government, including military personnel, takes an oath to the Constitution, not to the President.
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Article 2 of the US Constitution clearly states The President sets foreign policy. When that over weight LT. Cornel tried to sabotage the President he was violating the Constitution.

Hiring Kelly was Trumps only real mistake. The Chief of Staff is in charge of Personal. Removing the Obama holdovers who will actually try to sabotage the President. Kelly actually did just the opposite.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
The point Kelly is making is that sometimes it's okay to violate the chain of command.

You Trump supporters are the same type of people who would have elected Hitler, that's the truth:

Authoritarianism - Wikipedia
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You Leftist not only lie you invert the truth.

Authoritarians don't reduce their own power. Almost every Trump policy has been about reducing the power of the Govt.

It's the people who oppose him who want Govt controlling every aspect of our lives including our speech.
 
I wonder if Gen. Kelly thinks it was right for Vindman to go around the chain of command and tell Zelensky to ignore Vindman's boss the POTUS. After all the President is the Commander in Chief.
 
SLC said:
I wonder if Gen. Kelly thinks it was right for Vindman to go around the chain of command and tell Zelensky to ignore Vindman's boss the POTUS. After all the President is the Commander in Chief.
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The armed forces have two principals, Congress and the executive. Congress funds 'em, promotes officers, writes the laws that regulate and govern the military, has the authority to declare war or authorize military action and so on. Potus is the executive authority who administers the laws.

The oath is to the Constitution and to "We the People" not to "I the Tyrant."

The oath to the Constitution is to the three branches of government that are coequal, the balance of powers, the system of checks and balances, the rule of law not men. No individual is above the Constitution that is the law of the land. The oath is to the Constitution and not to the flag, not to the national anthem, not to the pledge of allegiance and so on.

Society created the armed forces to protect the society not the President and not any single person or symbol of it as valued as the symbols are.
 
Tangmo said:
The armed forces have two principals, Congress and the executive. Congress funds 'em, promotes officers, writes the laws that regulate and govern the military, has the authority to declare war or authorize military action and so on. Potus is the executive authority who administers the laws.

The oath is to the Constitution and to "We the People" not to "I the Tyrant."

The oath to the Constitution is to the three branches of government that are coequal, the balance of powers, the system of checks and balances, the rule of law not men. No individual is above the Constitution that is the law of the land. The oath is to the Constitution and not to the flag, not to the national anthem, not to the pledge of allegiance and so on.

Society created the armed forces to protect the society not the President and not any single person or symbol of it as valued as the symbols are.
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The EXECUTIVE branch is over foreign policy per the Constitution. The POTUS set foreign policy and Vindman went around that foreign policy. He could be court marshaled for doing that.
 
Casca XV said:
You Leftist not only lie you invert the truth.

Authoritarians don't reduce their own power. Almost every Trump policy has been about reducing the power of the Govt.
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W_Heisenberg said:
John Kelly says Vindman was right to report Trump's call with Zelensky - CNNPolitics





I'm glad Kelly spoke up in support of Vindman. There has been a lot of false information and red herrings being thrown about concerning the fact that Vindman violated the chain of command. We have to remember that in the United States everyone who serves the government, including military personnel, takes an oath to the Constitution, not to the President.
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People have been whining about Vindman being a traitor to the commander-in-chief, to his position as a military man, as a vile and treasonous individual and as a dishonorable person.

He however is none of these. And the man who fired him and wants him prosecuted for his betrayal is the actual vile/treasonous and dishonorable individual.
 
SLC said:
The EXECUTIVE branch is over foreign policy per the Constitution. The POTUS set foreign policy and Vindman went around that foreign policy. He could be court marshaled for doing that.
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"Keep your mouth shut while I attempt to extort a foreign leader" is in no way shape or form, foreign policy.
 
SLC said:
The EXECUTIVE branch is over foreign policy per the Constitution. The POTUS set foreign policy and Vindman went around that foreign policy. He could be court marshaled for doing that.
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Military officers are responsible to the people for delivering the defense of the nation. Military officers have two principals in this duty and pursuit: congress and the executive. Congress funds the armed forces, passes on treaties with foreign governments and congress makes the laws that regulate and govern the military to include writing the UCMJ.

It's congress that promotes the officer corps in rank and grade, not the potus/cinc, and it is congress that votes to confirm potus major nominations of flag officers to major commands at home and abroad, the latter being advice and consent. Indeed, potus in all instances nominates from a list provided by the Pentagon and the SecDef -- potus btw rarely knows most names of flag officers or who they are.

Potus meanwhile is the chief diplomat over foreign affairs of the United States assisted by the SecState and the SecDefense to include the Secretary of the Treasury and the AG. Potus and his cabinet are responsible to the Congress for their policies and conduct in the office to include the SecDef of course, SecState and so on.

Trump's failed attempt to extort the president of Ukraine was a crime in itself yet it is made worse because Trump was attempting the obscene extortion using military assistance funds outlaid by Pentagon and authorized by congress. This is a matter of both foreign policy and the national security and defense, to include USA sovereignty over its elections processes, protocols, procedures to include of course outcomes. Hence LTC Vindman is in the right. Indeed the Joint Chiefs placed Vindman in the WH on the NSC staff for Russia and Ukraine to do his duty which is exactly what the LTC did do.
 
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