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[W:91]**Girls sue to block participation of transgender athletes

Re: Girls sue to block participation of transgender athletes

Transgender women have every right to female scholarships. They are real women. They are not taking anything away from anyone. They are five women in all of high school sports.

They are not a threat.

I'll agree to female scholarships outside of sports activities.
 
Re: Girls sue to block participation of transgender athletes

Transgender women have every right to female scholarships. They are real women. They are not taking anything away from anyone. They are five women in all of high school sports.

They are not a threat.

didn't take biology class did you?
 
Really now.

That simply is not true, unless the transition was done before puberty. They still don't have a uterus or eggs, but some women end up having those parts removed anyway.

How can you not get that the bone and muscle changes from puberty are permanent?

really anyone subjecting kids to this is child abuse.
this is a horrible epidemic and i blame these quack psychologists for it.
 
really anyone subjecting kids to this is child abuse.
this is a horrible epidemic and i blame these quack psychologists for it.

I agree, but I have heard it to be done.

My point again was, that unless reassignment surgery is done before puberty starts, genetic men should be banned from participating in women's sports.
 
Well, a Transgender has been cleared to compete in the women's Olympic marathon trials.

You've had a good run females, but women's sports are no longer for you.
 
Well, a Transgender has been cleared to compete in the women's Olympic marathon trials.

You've had a good run females, but women's sports are no longer for you.

leftist rage that conservatives are anti women, but want you to ignore the facts that they want you to call men woman. they want you to ignore the fact that they want men taking over spaces women once felt safe from men.
 
I noticed a certain somebody isn't in here arguing his point anymore.
 
I hope the girls win. Its grossly unfair for a biological male to compete with biological females in sports.
 
I agree, but I have heard it to be done.

My point again was, that unless reassignment surgery is done before puberty starts, genetic men should be banned from participating in women's sports.
Males still have a different bone and muscle structure even if surgery were preformed before puberty. Which is stronger pound per pound . A 10 year old boy or girl? Girls for the most part can't keep up with boys athletically even before puberty.
 
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I have stated my arguments clearly from population to entitlements.
That would be a first. Excuse me a second.

Nope. Not this time either. She has you cold.

All you have is "transgender children should be marginalized".
Really. I see her applying science and scientific principles. It's a new thing. Perhaps you could look it up.
 
So this transgender girl robbed a genetic girl of her rightful wrestling title twice. That is just grossly unfair. The transgender girl has an undefeated wrestling record.


Mack Beggs, an 18-year-old senior from Euless Trinity High School near Dallas, entered the tournament in Cypress outside of Houston with an undefeated record. He beat Chelsea Sanchez – who he beat for the title in 2017 – in the final match on Saturday.
 
Re: Girls sue to block participation of transgender athletes

A woman I know extremely well was repeatedly the national and international champion in her area of athletic competition between age 8 and 19. She never entered any mixed events nor any event with male competitors because she wanted to pursue perfecting her natural talent specifically and only as a female plus had no desire to compete with men otherwise.

This is how she explained it. Regardless of hormones and any internal psychology, dividing most athletic events is like having events solely for gorillas and events solely for chimpanzees. A gorilla who can not win any strength competitions with other gorillas says this makes him feel like a chimpanzee, so he is allowed to compete in such events with chimpanzees. Crushing all of them, the gorilla declares this proves without a double he is the best chimpanzee in the world. And all the gorillas agree that he is a chimpanzee and cheer.

Increasingly in athletics, there are now only two categories of events:
Events only for males.
Events open to both sexes.

There will be no events only for females. MALES WIN AGAIN against those inferior females as they have claimed across all of human history.
 
Re: Girls sue to block participation of transgender athletes

You aren't the arbiter of what qualifies as a 'significant sporting event', are you? That sounds vastly more sexist and bigoted than the young women who've filled this lawsuit. High school and college athletics are important in these women's lives, and therefore they are significant.

Secondly, at least one woman had her skull fractured by a transgender athlete who is biologically male, during a sporting event, which demonstrates the need for women to not be forced into competing with men.

Women's rights shouldn't be trampled upon. Period. Men should not be allowed to intrude upon women's athletics.

You're forgetting one thing. This is ecofarm you're talking about here.

His little camp is all for stepping on woman's rights and beating them back into their place, so long as it suits their agenda. None of us are really surprised by how much that particular post reveals.
 
Many males like watching males beat up females.
 
Re: Girls sue to block participation of transgender athletes

No transgender person has ever won a sporting event of any significance and one probably never will. Perhaps 1% of people are transgender. Perhaps 1% of transgender people are athletes. Of transgender athletes, perhaps .01% will ever make it to the professional level. Transgender people do not exist in significant enough population to ever affect any sport. If a transgender person ever wins a significant event, it will change nothing and signify only a greater acceptance of transgender people.

The suit is fear-mongering and hate. There's no real issue.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...lifting-title-amid-controversy-over-fairness/

‘Not fair’: World cycling bronze medalist cries foul after transgender woman wins gold | Fox News

Trans Athletes Are Posting Victories and Shaking Up Sports | WIRED


You're once again, dead wrong.
 
Re: Girls sue to block participation of transgender athletes

You're once again, dead wrong.

You are, once again, with the bigots.
 
Re: Girls sue to block participation of transgender athletes

You are, once again, with the bigots.

I provided factual sources disputing your claim. Do you have facts toback yours, sources? You do not, just insults.
 
Re: Girls sue to block participation of transgender athletes

I provided factual sources disputing your claim.

No, you did not.
 
Re: Girls sue to block participation of transgender athletes

No, you did not.

Yes I did, you claimed no tran athlete has never won a major award.

What are the pacific games?

New Zealand weightlifter Laurel Hubbard won two gold medals at the Pacific Games, and college senior CeCé Telfer became the NCAA Division II national champion in the 400-meter run. Another senior, June Eastwood, has been instrumental to her cross-country team’s success. At the high school level, Terry Miller won the girls’ 200-meter dash at Connecticut’s state open championship track meet.
Trans Athletes Are Posting Victories and Shaking Up Sports | WIRED

Pacific Games - Wikipedia
They are a pretty big deal.

NCAA Div II isn't small fry either:
NCAA Division II (D-II) is an intermediate-level division of competition in the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA). It offers an alternative to both the larger and better-funded Division I and to the scholarship-free environment offered in Division III.

Before 1973, the NCAA's smaller schools were grouped together in the College Division. In 1973, the College Division split in two when the NCAA began using numeric designations for its competitions. The College Division members who wanted to offer athletic scholarships or compete against those who did became Division II, while those who chose not to offer athletic scholarships became Division III.

Nationally, ESPN televises the championship game in football, CBS televises the men's basketball championship, and ESPN2 televises the women's basketball championship. CBS Sports Network broadcasts six football games on Thursdays during the regular season, and one men's basketball game per week on Saturdays during that sport's regular season.

The official slogan of NCAA Division II, implemented in 2015, is "Make It Yours." [1]
NCAA Division II - Wikipedia

Winning a high school state championship is a BIG DEAL.

It's not bigotry to point that out. I'm MTF, and I am far stronger than your typical 44 year old woman, despite 3 years of HRT, depending on the sport I'd have a great advantage, that's not bigotry to point that out, it's reality.
 
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Yes I did, you claimed no tran athlete has never won a major award.

Significant. Transcends the sport.
 
Re: Girls sue to block participation of transgender athletes

Significant. Transcends the sport.

Denying Cis gendered women a scholarship, winning gold in major events, NCAA Records falling... that's significant.
Transgender ‘female’ MMA fighter gives female opponent concussion, broken eye socket | News | LifeSite

On Saturday, Fox defeated Tamikka Brents by TKO at 2:17 of the first round of their match. In addition to the damaged orbital bone that required seven staples, Brents received a concussion. In a post-fight interview this week, she told Whoa TV that "I've never felt so overpowered ever in my life."

“I’ve fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can’t answer whether it’s because [he] was born a man or not, because I’m not a doctor,” she stated. “I can only say, I’ve never felt so overpowered ever in my life, and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right. ”

Over Memorial Day weekend, everyone who cares about the future of women’s sport saw their worst fears become a reality.

Transgender woman CeCe Telfer, who was born and raised as Craig Telfer and competed on the Franklin Pierce University men’s track and field team during her first three years of college, won the women’s 400-meter hurdles national title at the 2019 NCAA Division II Outdoor Track & Field Championships. Telfer dominated the competition, winning in 57.53 as second place was way back in 59.21.

Prior to joining the women’s team this season, Telfer was a mediocre DII athlete who never came close to making it to nationals in the men’s category. In 2016 and 2017, Telfer ranked 200th and 390th, respectively, among DII men in the 400 hurdles (Telfer didn’t run outdoor track in 2018 as either a man or woman). Now she’s the national champion in the event simply because she switched her gender (Telfer’s coach told us that even though she competed on the men’s team her first three years, her gender fluidity was present from her freshman year).

The fact that Telfer can change her gender and immediately become a national champion is proof positive as to why women’s sports needs protection. Telfer ran slightly faster in the 400 hurdles competing as a man (57.34) than as a woman (57.53), even though the men’s hurdles are six inches taller than the women’s hurdles. Yet when Telfer ran 57.34 as a man, she didn’t even score at her conference meet — she was just 10th at the Northeast-10 Outdoor Track and Field Championships in 2016. Now she’s the national champion.
What No One Is Telling You: An Athlete Who Ran NCAA Track As A Man For 3 Years Just Won An NCAA Women's Title - LetsRun.com

It's not bigotry to look at these to incidents and raise concerns, it's not hate to say "wait a second, let's discuss this matter" It's not anti-trans to look at the reality of the biology, and ask "is this really fair"?

Which is why your response was highly inappropriate and wrong. I was not siding with "bigotry" nor is your hiding behind semantics and honest defense of your indefensible position.
 
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Denying Cis gendered women a scholarship, winning gold in major events, NCAA Records falling... that's significant.

Transgender women are not second-class women. They have every right to female scholarships. No significant, or perhaps any as you posted none, record breaking.

Transcends the sport means people not into the sport or event hear about. It means everyone hears about it. Olympic Gold. NCAA Championship, a major event. Not the 200m at one meet.
 
Re: Girls sue to block participation of transgender athletes

Transgender women are not second-class women. They have every right to female scholarships. No significant, or perhaps any as you posted none, record breaking.

Transcends the sport means people not into the sport or event hear about. It means everyone hears about it. Olympic Gold. NCAA Championship, a major event. Not the 200m at one meet.

No one accused transwomen of being second class anything. Those scholarships are coming at the expense of born female athletes denied a fair chance as said scholarships. NCAA Championships... did you not read the links I provided?
Transgender woman CeCe Telfer, who was born and raised as Craig Telfer and competed on the Franklin Pierce University men’s track and field team during her first three years of college, won the women’s 400-meter hurdles national title at the 2019 NCAA Division II Outdoor Track & Field Championships. Telfer dominated the competition, winning in 57.53 as second place was way back in 59.21.
What No One Is Telling You: An Athlete Who Ran NCAA Track As A Man For 3 Years Just Won An NCAA Women's Title - LetsRun.com
 
Re: Girls sue to block participation of transgender athletes

No one accused transwomen of being second class anything. Those scholarships are coming at the expense of born female athletes denied a fair chance as said scholarships

Transgender women are real woman entitled to all that women are entitled to. Transgender women are born female. Transgender women are not taking anything from anyone when they win a scholarship.
 
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