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[W:91]**Girls sue to block participation of transgender athletes

Forcing real girls to undress in front of trans girls with dicks and forcing them to see the dicks in vhamgong rooms and showers wether they want to or not... yes, i know the thought of it makes you happy. The girls being forced? Not so much. Some don't care... many do.

So it's the sight of a penis that you're terrified of and you find that tremendous fear sufficient to create a second-class citizen. That's asinine. Seeing a penis is not inherently dangerous.
 
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My advice is finish high school and get on with your life free from the pressure of bigot scumbag parents to file hate suits.
The only 'hate' I see is in your posts. Otherwise most people are offering their rational opinions.

Perhaps sports events exclusive to transgenders is the answer. Would that make you happy?
 
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Perhaps sports events exclusive to transgenders is the answer. Would that make you happy?

"Separate but equal".
 
So it's the sight of a penis that you're terrified of and you find that tremendous fear sufficient to create a second-class citizen. That's asinine. Seeing a penis is not inherently dangerous.
Better not make that claim around schoolyards in my neighborhood.
 
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You're making transgender women second class. An underclass of women and marginalized. That's not feminist.

No I'm not, I'm looking for a solution so that all are treated fairly. Please address the examples/arguments I made.

I'm not just accepting your proclamations.
 
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No I'm not, I'm looking for a solution so that all are treated fairly. Please address the examples/arguments I made.

I'm not just accepting your proclamations.

Simple solution. Transgender women are not second-class women. Problem solved.

Your fear mongering is irrelevant. A transgender woman has never won an event of any significance. If one does, someday, it will be a victory for us all.
 
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The only problem with this discussion is that it eliminates the realities of the individual. Everyone here seem to assume that the transgender HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETE here is one that has been all the way through puberty and has become transgender only after getting all the attributes ascribed to males.

But.. the reality is that many if not most of these transgender athletes have already undergone hormone therapy to REDUCE and or ELIMINATE the secondary sex characteristics of being a male. Because they don't want the larger muscles, the deeper voice, the larger laryngeal prominence, the masculine chin.. that men have. In fact, the irony here is that because of the hormone therapy, they are likely to be at a DISADVANTAGE then women born as female.. because the hormone therapy tends to be beyond what women naturally have.. (especially female athletes that probably have hormone levels that border more toward male (on the continuum). which gives them an advantage in muscle strength etc over other females)..

I actually deal with a number of teenage transgender (male to female) folks.. and my genetically female athletes could kick just about every one of their butts on any athletic field.

Now.. if you are talking about a situation where a 26 year old professional male boxer decides to become a female and compete in female division of mma? Okay.. there is a point there... but this is pre teen and teenage children this post is talking about.

I am aware of all that, I appreciate you posting it.

I would like to see it quantified better, over time perhaps, to help enable the solution I keep saying I'm looking for.
 
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Simple solution. Transgender women are not second-class women. Problem solved.

Your fear mongering is irrelevant. A transgender woman has never won an event of any significance. If one does, someday, it will be a victory for us all.

Your lack of foundation, unlike Jaegers', is still just you proclaiming your feelings.
 
So it's the sight of a penis that you're terrified of and you find that tremendous fear sufficient to create a second-class citizen. That's asinine. Seeing a penis is not inherently dangerous.

Nope I think girls should be treated as first class citizens. You seem to think their opinions don't matter and they just need to succumb to boys... including being forced to change and shower with bio males.

While I don't care if someone is trans, they absolutely are not real women. They are boys that believe they are woman for whatever reason. Whether nature or nurture or combo.

Science just disagrees with you on that.
 
Nope I think girls should be treated as first class citizens. You seem to think their opinions don't matter and they just need to succumb to boys...

Transgender women are not boys.
 
I'll make that claim anywhere I want. Seeing a penis is not inherently dangerous.

You're right. All those whining woman complaining about having to see some flashers dick. Maybe we need to start asking the flasher if it was a woman's or man's dick b4 we decide to prosecute.
 
You're right. All those whining woman complaining about having to see some flashers dick.

A transgender woman in a locker room is not a flasher.
 
Science disagrees with you.

False. You're choosing to place the body above the mind as deciding. I'm not. I place mind above body. Science supports my position.
 
False. You're choosing to place the body above the mind as deciding. I'm not. I place mind above body.

how can you possibly belive it fair to have girls born s boys compete physically with girls born s girls?

serioiusly, how can you justify such stuff

I am as socially liberaal as they come but this is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo unfair to women born as women.

If you wan to go this way we need to eliminate men and women sport and just have sport. (which would be 99% men)
 
A transgender woman in a locker room is not a flasher.

Actually there has been at least one story out of a HS where a trans was flashing all the girls in the locker room.

But you are right. That wasn't the point though. If nothing wrong with a girl seeing a dick when they don't want to... why is flashing a crime? There's no danger, according to you.
 
False. You're choosing to place the body above the mind as deciding. I'm not. I place mind above body. Science supports my position.

he is speaking to physical characteristics because we are discussing physically competition!

My God.
 
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I have stated my arguments clearly from population to entitlements.

All you have is "transgender children should be marginalized".

Post 228 had a linked article you either ignored or did not read. Let me repost it for you here
"Seems scientist can't agree with what level of testosterone is acceptable in a transgender male. Article pointed out that " emerging findings from the Karolinska Institute in Sweden, which show that testosterone suppression for transgender women has little effect on reducing muscle strength even after a year of treatment. That indicates that at least some of the physical advantages of those who have gone through male puberty are maintained even after transitioning."

You also ignored post 240 where I asked you to :
"Care to share a link to a medical or scientific paper that backs up your statement of "A transgender woman is a real woman."

You have given your opinion and that is all. That opinion is not shared by many who have responded to your posts.
 
False. You're choosing to place the body above the mind as deciding. I'm not. I place mind above body. Science supports my position.

What is your reason to be so supportive of the transgender in this case! Is somebody close to you transgender or perhaps yourself? You are so far off base here there has to be emotional reasons for your argument.
 
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A transgender woman is a real woman. Your bigotry against them ("not real women") prevents honest analysis of costs and risks.

Hormone therapy to become a bio woman does not include steroids.

Really now.

That simply is not true, unless the transition was done before puberty. They still don't have a uterus or eggs, but some women end up having those parts removed anyway.

How can you not get that the bone and muscle changes from puberty are permanent?
 
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