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Bloomberg heard in 2015 audio clip defending ‘stop and frisk,’ throwing minority kids against wall:

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I'm a moderate and I as well as the majority of others will vote for the Democratic nominee regardless of which one is nominated

No one thinks any better of you just because you conveniently declare a label.
 
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Way to prove his point. Not just ignorant. Delusional. The measure is your words. [emoji2369]

Wow, what a thoughtful rebuttal. Actually, you've proven MY point.

BTW, your post seems to indicate you don't like minority kids being thrown against a wall. That's some funny **** coming from the people who think walls are how you keep minorities out in the first place.

Quit while you're behind, dude. The GOP record on civil rights is, as your name suggests, an abberation.
 
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Oh my gosh. Trump will destroy Bernie in a landslide.

You'll lose half your party. Your moderates will never vote for Bernie; in fact, they'll likely vote for Trump. The Democrat Party will cease to exist in any meaningful way. You'll have a non-Democrat who despises the Democrat Party winning the Democrat nomination.

He won't be the nominee. The DNC will sacrifice the election before they alllow that to happen. They steal it from him in a brokered convention.

Besides, he's about to go sharply downhill. Bernie may play in the northeast, but not across the country. He'll probably finish 3rd or 4th in South Carolina and all throughout the southern states.



I keep hearing some say that. My gut feeling is that that's not true.


More moderates will vote for Bernie than the hard left will vote for a moderate.

Hard left are ideologues, they are 'Bernie or bust'. Moderates are more pragmatic, much more likely to hold their nose and vote anti trump.

Not all on either side, but I'm saying that's the guiding principle to my feeling on this.

What that means is that Bernie will garner more votes than a moderate like Biden.

None of the other candidates are getting big numbers of people at rallies like bernie is.
 
Re: Bloomberg heard in 2015 audio clip defending ‘stop and frisk,’ throwing minority kids agains

By what measure could you possibly claim that? No, don't worry, ignorance remains the domain of conservative, magical thinkers who have given America such infamous concepts as trickle down economics, the free market and American exceptionalism, all while voting for fascists, religious whackadoodles and organized criminals.

You have no leg to stand on.



Aw, did I hurt your feelings? When you accuse us of cruelty, you must be referring to how we keep daring to point out what a group of duplicitous, elitist morons the GOP are. It's actually tough love. You can't fight evil with gentle admonishments. Some times, a kick in the ass is called for.

The Left is ignorant and cruel now.....where that train goes educated people are well aware.....it is heart breaking what has become of my people.
 
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The Left is ignorant and cruel now.....where that train goes educated people are well aware.....it is heart breaking what has become of my people.

Instead of making baseless claims, please articulate why you think that the left is ignorant or cruel? For the life of me, I can't think of what the left has done that rises to the levels of ignorance and cruelty that the right demonstrates. For instance:

Right wing voters IGNORANTLY insist that they are the fiscally responsible ones when they consistently create bubble economies and borrow massively to give tax breaks to oligarchs, all in the name of the mythical free market. If that's not ignorant, I don't know what is. When you compound that with their absurd, religious dogma, bigotry and xenophobia and general anti-intellectualism, the question of ignorance is, literally, a no-brainer.

And what about the CRUEL way that conservatives are always finding new ways to screw the poor? Gutting the safety net, disenfranchising poor voters through voter suppression, subjecting the working class to sickness and death through environmental and industry deregulation, the list goes on and on. I can't think of a liberal policy or attitude that approaches, in cruelty, what conservatives do as a matter of course.

Now, I realize that definitions are frequently where our differences reside. Conservatives, for instance, think that it's cruel to tax the wealthy. They think it's ignorant to limit the scope of religious influence in public institutions. They think it's more wrong to call them ignorant than it is for them to do ignorant, hateful ****. I get it, you're sensitive when it comes to your own ego or wealth or god and completely callous to the humiliation, poverty or exploitation of others. You're hypocrites.

When your heart breaks for "your people", I assume you mean rich, white people. That is the problem. If you cared as much about ALL people and didn't see rest of the world as your competition for the control of minds and resources, we'd all live in a less ignorant, less cruel world.
 
Re: Bloomberg heard in 2015 audio clip defending ‘stop and frisk,’ throwing minority kids agains

Update.

"There is one aspect of approach that I deeply regret, the abuse of police practice called stop and frisk," Bloomberg said. "I defended it, looking back, for too long because I didn't understand then the unintended pain it was causing to young black and brown families and their kids. I should have acted sooner and faster to stop it. I didn't, and for that I apologize."
Bloomberg apologizes for stop-and-frisk policy for the first time on the campaign trail following release of a 2015 tape - CNNPolitics
 
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I find it funny (but not surprising) that trump and his goons are using this to bash Bloomberg, when Trump himself is a huge supporter of the "stop and frisk" policy, even wanting to implement it all over the country.

Bloomberg and Trump were pretty good buddies with lots of praise for each other.
 
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Bloomberg and Trump were pretty good buddies with lots of praise for each other.

Oh I know they were. I see a lot of similarities between the two. That said, it would be interesting to see someone (an actual real billionaire who could buy and sell 100 Trump's), beat Trump at his own game. I don't like the guy, but it may take another cutthroat New York Business man to take down the corrupt one currently squatting in the whitehouse.
 
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Oh I don't doubt it. I see a lot of similarities between the two. That said, it would be interesting to see someone (an actual real billionaire who could buy and sell 100 Trump's), beat Trump at his own game. I don't like that guy, but it may take another cutthroat New York Business man to take down the corrupt one currently squatting in the whitehouse.

The did development projects together. I heard a clip on CNN today of Bloomberg claiming Trump was super awesome and saving New York for a project turning an empty lot into a golf course.
 
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The did development projects together. I heard a clip on CNN today of Bloomberg claiming Trump was super awesome and saving New York for a project turning a empty lot into a golf course.

Trump once said Hillary Clinton would make a wonderful president. Republicans have proven that what a candidate says years ago doesn't seem to matter any more.
 
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Yeah, me to Bloomberg on that apology: "I award you no points, and my god have mercy on your soul."

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He fought for it until the courts required him to stop the unconstitutional stop and frisk without a warrant program. He doesn't get points for years later saying, oops, SORRY! If he didn't "understand" the pain and worse it caused, he's too stupid to tie his shoes, because it was pointed out to him in court, in articles, public comments, written, verbal, any medium you can think of... He didn't care about the pain.
 
Re: Bloomberg heard in 2015 audio clip defending ‘stop and frisk,’ throwing minority kids agains

Instead of making baseless claims, please articulate why you think that the left is ignorant or cruel? For the life of me, I can't think of what the left has done that rises to the levels of ignorance and cruelty that the right demonstrates. For instance:

Right wing voters IGNORANTLY insist that they are the fiscally responsible ones when they consistently create bubble economies and borrow massively to give tax breaks to oligarchs, all in the name of the mythical free market. If that's not ignorant, I don't know what is. When you compound that with their absurd, religious dogma, bigotry and xenophobia and general anti-intellectualism, the question of ignorance is, literally, a no-brainer.

And what about the CRUEL way that conservatives are always finding new ways to screw the poor? Gutting the safety net, disenfranchising poor voters through voter suppression, subjecting the working class to sickness and death through environmental and industry deregulation, the list goes on and on. I can't think of a liberal policy or attitude that approaches, in cruelty, what conservatives do as a matter of course.

Now, I realize that definitions are frequently where our differences reside. Conservatives, for instance, think that it's cruel to tax the wealthy. They think it's ignorant to limit the scope of religious influence in public institutions. They think it's more wrong to call them ignorant than it is for them to do ignorant, hateful ****. I get it, you're sensitive when it comes to your own ego or wealth or god and completely callous to the humiliation, poverty or exploitation of others. You're hypocrites.

When your heart breaks for "your people", I assume you mean rich, white people. That is the problem. If you cared as much about ALL people and didn't see rest of the world as your competition for the control of minds and resources, we'd all live in a less ignorant, less cruel world.

So...

1. You clearly haven't spent much time actually bothering to learn what Conservatives think.

2. I'm not positive you are willing or about to learn. Are you?

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Re: Bloomberg heard in 2015 audio clip defending ‘stop and frisk,’ throwing minority kids agains

So...

1. You clearly haven't spent much time actually bothering to learn what Conservatives think.

2. I'm not positive you are willing or about to learn. Are you?

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Well, to be fair, there is an important differences between what conservatives believe, the values they advance in articles and such, and how those who call themselves "conservatives" govern while in office. Some of us have quit caring about theory and just pay attention to what self-described 'conservatives' do.

To take one example from above, "conservatives" are fiscally responsible, but those who call themselves 'conservatives' in power in D.C. aren't at all fiscally responsible. We can only describe what they DO as fiscal recklessness. See, e.g., TCJA.
 
Re: Bloomberg heard in 2015 audio clip defending ‘stop and frisk,’ throwing minority kids agains

Well, to be fair, there is an important differences between what conservatives believe, the values they advance in articles and such, and how those who call themselves "conservatives" govern while in office. Some of us have quit caring about theory and just pay attention to what self-described 'conservatives' do.

To take one example from above, "conservatives" are fiscally responsible, but those who call themselves 'conservatives' in power in D.C. aren't at all fiscally responsible.

That's a fair point indeed, and among the reasons I left the GOP. The main mitigation I would offer is:

A) they are still politicians, and giving up the "free" lunch of loading younger generations down with debt to pay for stuff now is immensely popular

B) As much as any group of politicians in DC has a section that supports measures to reduce spending, it is the more conservative elements of the GOP.

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That's a fair point indeed, and among the reasons I left the GOP. The main mitigation I would offer is:

A) they are still politicians, and giving up the "free" lunch of loading younger generations down with debt to pay for stuff now is immensely popular

So are deficit financed tax cuts for the donor class.

B) As much as any group of politicians in DC has a section that supports measures to reduce spending, it is the more conservative elements of the GOP.

I suppose that's true, but I no longer care. Bottom line is the results show, what they DO, is that when those who call themselves conservatives gain power in D.C. we get two things - 1) increases in spending and 2) tax cuts, which produce bigger deficits and more debt passed on to the future generations. Cheney's maxim is accurate - "You know, Paul, Reagan proved deficits don't matter. We won [the election. More tax cuts] is our due." That's all that's relevant IMO.
 
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