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Trump to Propose $4.8 Trillion Budget With More Border Wall Funding

Kushinator;1071365823]Where i live has nothing to do with the topic. You're just diverting because you've lost this discussion from the beginning.
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that is pure unadulterated ignorance, where you live has everything to do with the taxes you pay. You have been influenced by Chicago politics and total corruption, learn what your taxes are and the role of the federal, state, and local gov't is because obviously you don't have a clue


This is a lie. Your definition of purpose doesn't matter.
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My point stands as you haven't shown any understanding that excise taxes are collected by both the federal and state gov'ts with many of your roads state and local responsibility not federal taxpayer responsibilities.



Now we get to a personal attack!
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My point stands, you don't seem to understand even basic civics or economist believing that posting pretty graphs out of context make you look smart



Your obsession with Obama is not healthy. He has nothing to do with the topic at hand, and you're not capable or interested in discussing such topics. Our infrastructure is both underfunded and in need of serious repairs/modernization.
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Making a comparision is relevant to the discussion and what you want to ignore just like you ignored the components of GDP, over 40% of the GDP generated by Obama in 2009-2010 was gov't spending, and most of the deficits were due to the loss of revenue as the shovel ready jobs stimulus needed to create taxpayers not supposedly save jobs. the Trump economy is due to consumer spending, Obama's gov't spending. The Trump deficits are due to interest expense becoming the fourth largest budget item and entitlement spending, the Obama deficits due to the loss of revenue because of poor job creation and massive gov't spending creating dependence
 
Kushinator said:
Your attempt to divert is noted. The fact of the matter is, Trump is proposing a spending increase that's $1 trillion greater than when he took office. For FY2016, federal outlays were $3.852 trillion. The GOP is the party of deficits and debt, as they continue to push economic policy that both cuts revenue and grows spending... even during periods of very low unemployment and sustained economic growth.
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Its not an attempt at diversion...its a statement of fact. Trump offered a budget. Its a discussion...a starting point...nothing more. It is the job of the House to propose and pass a budget. For all the idiocy people spew on this site about fascism and tyranny and dictatorship, they sure do manage to find alllllllll the excuses for their party and their complete and total failure to do their job.
 
Conservative said:
That is the problem today, the people who vote Democratic today have developed an entitlement mentality that someone else owes them for their own personal responsibility issues which really are state and local not Federal. Today's Democratic Party has been radicalized and no matter how much evidence is presented as to the damage liberalism does, the liberal arrogance takes over. "We can do it better than the last group of liberals!"
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You're on here yelling about formatting, but then can't properly quote people.
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The rest of your commentary is rather droll since it's your typical ankle biting.

Affordable healthcare? That is a state and local responsibilty not a federal one, what is it going to take to get that through your head?? 50 different states, 50 different cost of livings and you want a once size fits all that takes away incentive. The grass is always greener on the other side until you get there. Haven't you learned that?
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Takes away incentive. Good lord this is obtuse. So do tell me how other industrialized nations manage to remain productive despite having tax funded healthcare systems? The affordability aspect is the elephant in the room, so whether it's a system where the government helps states with funding assistance versus a "one size fits all" remains to be seen.

I didn't dodge your reasoning, I dismissed it. You think you know what everyone else wants and needs. you don't, that is nothing more than liberal arrogance. Stop judging others by your own standards. People are leaving your state because of the high cost of living there, high taxes that are paying for liberalism, and the inability to now deduct your high state and local taxes from the federal return
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You don't know either, but you continue repeating yourself ad nauseam. That is your arrogance; then you have the nerve to assume others are "radicals" and "hate filled" when you're the one ankle biting. I've provided citations as to why people are leaving NJ, but you continue to repeat yourself.



Not sure what kind of business you ran but the reality is I also lived in a family that ran a small business. Your ignorance of the tax and regulation burden being put on small businesses is staggering. You ignored the question, why did Obama create so many under employed?? You answer that question before I do.
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Your lack of insight is staggering as well; you assume a lot but know little. If you're running a business that's growing, taxes and regulation can affect your profit margins and ability to hire, but that depends on your acceptable margins. My business experience decent growth, and none of the taxes or regulations affected the margins to a point where I didn't hire the personnel I needed.


So Obama created under employed? Oh, and I asked you first (and repeatedly) what specific policies Trump implemented that led to the increase in African American employment. It's bad manners to not answer then expect the same courtesy. I suspect you'll come back with more ankle biting about "radicals" or some other rubbish.
 
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ElChupacabra said:
You're on here yelling about formatting, but then can't properly quote people.
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The rest of your commentary is rather droll since it's your typical ankle biting.



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Takes away incentive. Good lord this is obtuse. So do tell me how other industrialized nations manage to remain productive despite having tax funded healthcare systems? The affordability aspect is the elephant in the room, so whether it's a system where the government helps states with funding assistance versus a "one size fits all" remains to be seen.



You don't know either, but you continue repeating yourself ad nauseam. That is your arrogance; then you have the nerve to assume others are "radicals" and "hate filled" when you're the one ankle biting. I've provided citations as to why people are leaving NJ, but you continue to repeat yourself.





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Your lack of insight is staggering as well; you assume a lot but know little. So Obama created under employed? Oh, and I asked you first (and repeatedly) what specific policies Trump implemented that led to the increase in African American employment. It's bad manners to not answer then expect the same courtesy. I suspect you'll come back with more ankle biting about "radicals" or some other rubbish.
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Nothing I say is going to change your mind as you have no understanding of how incentive creates economic activity. Please put me on ignore as you are a waste of time
 
Conservative said:
Nothing I say is going to change your mind as you have no understanding of how incentive creates economic activity. Please put me on ignore as you are a waste of time
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You think you do, but you don't. As a person who owns and runs my own small business, it's pretty funny to read you say I don't understand how incentive creates economic activity. You also dodged the question of how you can have that opinion while there are industrialized nations who manage to have tax funded social programs and are highly productive. That people paying higher taxes for programs that ensure the basics isn't an incentive killer unless they already lack incentive. What covering the basics does is free people to take more risks because they have the basics covered.

You waste you're own time because you're dogmatic and only seem to be interested in one way conversations; it's why you fail in most threads you're in.
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If you ever have an answer to what specific Trump policies led to the increase in African American employment, I'm all ears.
 
ElChupacabra said:
You think you do, but you don't. As a person who owns and runs my own small business, it's pretty funny to read you say I don't understand how incentive creates economic activity. You also dodged the question of how you can have that opinion while there are industrialized nations who manage to have tax funded social programs and are highly productive. That people paying higher taxes for programs that ensure the basics isn't an incentive killer unless they already lack incentive. What covering the basics does is free people to take more risks because they have the basics covered.

You waste you're own time because you're dogmatic and only seem to be interested in one way conversations; it's why you fail in most threads you're in.
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If you ever have an answer to what specific Trump policies led to the increase in African American employment, I'm all ears.
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For someone who claims to be a business person you really ask some dumb questions. you believe there are specific programs that create "African American employment?" Trump economic policies created private sector employment and that includes ALL employees including African American? How do you explain a full 2% Unemployment drop for African Americans under our "racist" President, something Obama never generated?
 
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For someone who claims to be a business person you really ask some dumb questions. you believe there are specific programs that create "African American employment?" Trump economic policies created private sector employment and that includes ALL employees including African American? How do you explain a full 2% Unemployment drop for African Americans under our "racist" President, something Obama never generated?
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So I guess that's a "no". The question came as a result of you focusing specifically on African Americans and crediting that to Trump.
 
ElChupacabra said:
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So I guess that's a "no". The question came as a result of you focusing specifically on African Americans and crediting that to Trump.
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Wow, and you ran a business? why did you hire people? Why did African American unemployment drop 2 full points with our "racist" President? Took 8 years to get down to 8% and three to drop a full 2 points
 
Conservative said:
Wow, and you ran a business? why did you hire people? Why did African American unemployment drop 2 full points with our "racist" President? Took 8 years to get down to 8% and three to drop a full 2 points
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You keep placing this in past tense; I own one and help run it. You clearly didn't read my response so re-read it and get back to me. I responded to your post that taxes and regulations prevented me from doing so, which it did not. The growth in business demanded it. There were no regulations or tax laws which made that prohibitive.

Why do you ignore the downward trend that had been going on since before this administration took over and assume the drop is solely to this administrations policies. Oh, and what were those policies again? You haven't cited any.
 
ElChupacabra said:
You keep placing this in past tense; I own one and help run it. You clearly didn't read my response so re-read it and get back to me. I responded to your post that taxes and regulations prevented me from doing so, which it did not. The growth in business demanded it. There were no regulations or tax laws which made that prohibitive.

Why do you ignore the downward trend that had been going on since before this administration took over and assume the drop is solely to this administrations policies. Oh, and what were those policies again? You haven't cited any.
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I put the downward trend in context, which you don't understand. Do you know what an under employed person is? U-6, figure out what that measures
 
Conservative said:
I put the downward trend in context, which you don't understand. Do you know what an under employed person is? U-6, figure out what that measures
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Do you? I don't think you really know what that means. Your data analysis skills and criteria are not consistent because you only use them to push your narrative.
 
VanceMack said:
Its not an attempt at diversion...its a statement of fact.
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No its not. We've already had two years of total GOP federal control... And the results speak for themselves.

Trump offered a budget. Its a discussion...a starting point...nothing more. It is the job of the House to propose and pass a budget. For all the idiocy people spew on this site about fascism and tyranny and dictatorship, they sure do manage to find alllllllll the excuses for their party and their complete and total failure to do their job.
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More deflection. You only care about budgets and deficits when the GOP loses power. Now you want to open your mouth with some random opinion....
 
Kushinator said:
No its not. We've already had two years of total GOP federal control... And the results speak for themselves.



More deflection. You only care about budgets and deficits when the GOP loses power. Now you want to open your mouth with some random opinion....
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Of course it is...it is an absolute statement of fact. If you dont understand that its the Houses JOB to submit and pass a budget there really isnt much more to talk about.
 
VanceMack said:
Of course it is...it is an absolute statement of fact. If you dont understand that its the Houses JOB to submit and pass a budget there really isnt much more to talk about.
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This thread isn't about the House. It's about the $4.8 trillion budget that is financed by a tax cut induced deficit.

Your punt has been blocked and returned for 6.
 
Conservative said:
that is pure unadulterated ignorance, where you live has everything to do with the taxes you pay. You have been influenced by Chicago politics and total corruption, learn what your taxes are and the role of the federal, state, and local gov't is because obviously you don't have a clue
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Another example of you trying to make this discussion about me.

My point stands
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You don't have a point... You're hopelessly flailing in an attempt to divert from reality. Infrastructure is underfunded in the U.S., and is in major need of modernization. You've not addressed this point because you're not capable of having a genuine discussion.
 
Kushinator said:
This thread isn't about the House. It's about the $4.8 trillion budget that is financed by a tax cut induced deficit.

Your punt has been blocked and returned for 6.
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A budget proposal by this or any other president is a starting point...a talking point. It isnt 'the budget'. Its not the presidents job to write, debate, or pass a budget,. You lot are ****ting yourself over nothing, yet the fact that the actual congress and the actual House of Reps and the actual party in charge of actually writing and debating and passing a budget hasnt done **** all...well...you dont much care about that.........

And again...you either dont KNOW who's actual ****ing JOB it is to write, debate, and pass the budget or are such a mindless partisan that you don't give a **** that the people responsible for those things haven't done **** all and are content to **** yourself over TTTTRRRRUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMPPPPP!!!!!........

either way...it speaks volumes of you and there really isnt much more to talk about.
 
swing_voter said:
https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/7a...up/ElPaso/636517175913419476-Border-Fence.jpg



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Here's the fence between El Paso and Cuidad Juarez. If not for the fence, there'd be a constant stream of people illegally entering America.
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that fence has been there for a very long time...it hasn't stopped the flow of anything.
 
ClaraD said:
that fence has been there for a very long time...it hasn't stopped the flow of anything.
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The war on poverty programs have been in place for a long time and yet has not changed the poverty rate - should we get rid of that spending too?
 
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The war on poverty programs have been in place for a long time and yet has not changed the poverty rate - should we get rid of that spending too?
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according to Trump there isn't any poverty anymore...Do we need border security? Yes, but it isn't in the form of a very expensive fence.
 
VanceMack said:
A budget proposal by this or any other president is a starting point...a talking point. It isnt 'the budget'. Its not the presidents job to write, debate, or pass a budget,. You lot are ****ting yourself over nothing, yet the fact that the actual congress and the actual House of Reps and the actual party in charge of actually writing and debating and passing a budget hasnt done **** all...well...you dont much care about that.........

And again...you either dont KNOW who's actual ****ing JOB it is to write, debate, and pass the budget or are such a mindless partisan that you don't give a **** that the people responsible for those things haven't done **** all and are content to **** yourself over TTTTRRRRUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMPPPPP!!!!!........

either way...it speaks volumes of you and there really isnt much more to talk about.
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Flying spit anger.

As usual.

Incredible you pretend to be an independent when you’re virtually always going on explicative laden rants and raves about and I’m just gonna impersonate you here for a minute:

Llllllliiiiiiiiiibbbbbbbeeeeerrrrrraaaaaalllllllssssss!!!!!!!!!!!! **** **** ****!!!!!!

At the end of the day who were the people who bitched for 8 years under Obama that despite the economic crisis he was spending like a drunken sailor and the debt and the deficit had to be solved right that instant and he if he didn’t solve it he was the worst person ever trying to make the country like Greece and everyone was gonna be enslaved to the Chinese?

Republicans and many Trump supporters on this board that completely and totally shut up about the deficit as of January 20th, 2017.

Odd that.
 
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