Trump to Propose $4.8 Trillion Budget With More Border Wall Funding

ElChupacabra said:

Sure it is, but it's dishonest to say the lower rate is purely on the current administration when it was already trending downward. Now if the rate had been much higher and was either remaining average or some upward spikes here and there, you can claim the Trump effect if there were a clear downward trend during his administration. So what specifically has he done that's led to African American unemployment?

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Your problem is you cannot give Trump economic policy any credit although the American people have and will. Context matters, over 1.5 million fewer under employed Americans under Trump and 2% full reduction in African American unemployment. I will be voting for Trump as will many more African Americans than in 2016. Downward trends don't put food on the table, quality jobs do

Conservative said:

Your problem is you cannot give Trump economic policy any credit although the American people have and will. Context matters, over 1.5 million fewer under employed Americans under Trump and 2% full reduction in African American unemployment. I will be voting for Trump as will many more African Americans than in 2016. Downward trends don't put food on the table, quality jobs do

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Unemployment Rate 4.7% January 2017 vs. 3.6% today

Employed 152.2 million January 2017 to 158.9 million today so 6 million job growth from 2008 to 2017(146 million to 152 million) is celebrated but 6.7 million growth I the last two years isn't!! LOL

U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 6.9% today? Wow!! 2.4% better U-6 obviously meaningless to you

Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.2 million today? Looks to me that incredible job growth you claim was boosted by part time jobs

African American unemployment 8.0% vs. 6.0% today? That explains the surge in support from African Americans for Trump

Conservative said:

Unemployment Rate 4.7% January 2017 vs. 3.6% today

Employed 152.2 million January 2017 to 158.9 million today so 6 million job growth from 2008 to 2017(146 million to 152 million) is celebrated but 6.7 million growth I the last two years isn't!! LOL

U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 6.9% today? Wow!! 2.4% better U-6 obviously meaningless to you

Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.2 million today? Looks to me that incredible job growth you claim was boosted by part time jobs

African American unemployment 8.0% vs. 6.0% today? That explains the surge in support from African Americans for Trump

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FOUR MORE YEARS!!! And here is why, results matter

Unemployment Rate 4.7% January 2017 vs. 3.6% today

Employed 152.2 million January 2017 to 157.9 million today so 6 million job growth from 2008 to 2017(146 million to 152 million) is celebrated but 6.7 million growth I the last two years isn't!! LOL

U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 6.9% today? Wow!! 2.4% better U-6 obviously meaningless to you

Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.2 million today? Looks to me that incredible job growth you claim was boosted by part time jobs

African American unemployment 8.0% vs. 6.0% today? That explains the surge in support from African Americans for Trump

Conservative said:

Your problem is you cannot give Trump economic policy any credit although the American people have and will. Context matters, over 1.5 million fewer under employed Americans under Trump and 2% full reduction in African American unemployment. I will be voting for Trump as will many more African Americans than in 2016. Downward trends don't put food on the table, quality jobs do

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What he has done is boost confidence both at the corporate and consumer level which does provide a boost which is part of what's reflected in the polls on confidence and in the stock market jumps. The rest has been part of the trends we've been seeing. So from the perspective of the sitting president taking credit for the economy during their tenure, sure, that credit can be given. If, however, you're someone who prefers to look under the hood then it's a bit more nuanced than that.

You haven't mentioned what specific policies he's authored that have led to reduce African American unemployment other than benefitting from the trend that had started before he took office. That might be something to be prepared for should it come up as a question. Why this is important is because the incumbent should be able to state why they're the only one capable, and I don't think he's unique in this regard.

ElChupacabra said:

What he has done is boost confidence both at the corporate and consumer level which does provide a boost which is part of what's reflected in the polls on confidence and in the stock market jumps. The rest has been part of the trends we've been seeing. So from the perspective of the sitting president taking credit for the economy during their tenure, sure, that credit can be given. If, however, you're someone who prefers to look under the hood then it's a bit more nuanced than that.

You haven't mentioned what specific policies he's authored that have led to reduce African American unemployment other than benefitting from the trend that had started before he took office. That might be something to be prepared for should it come up as a question. Why this is important is because the incumbent should be able to state why they're the only one capable, and I don't think he's unique in this regard.

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Amazing trends, 19.2k to 29k, you just cannot give Trump economic policies any credit. I will be voting for Trump in 2020 as there is no valid reason to vote for a Democrat as results matter. You obviously aren't part of the 56% that support the job he is doing on the most important issue, the economy. I am in that 56% because I don't get caught up in tabloid politics like you

Trump's job creation was due to creating incentive for the private sector to hire full time jobs and they have. African Americans wanting to work are getting jobs they couldn't get during Obama's term. There is a reason for the African American support for Trump but you just cannot accept that reality. If Trump increases his support by even a little he wins big and African Americans who are working won't be willing to trust the Democrats to keep them employed. businesses will not hire with Democratic class envy, jealousy and politics of personal destruction

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Amazing trends, 19.2k to 29k, you just cannot give Trump economic policies any credit. I will be voting for Trump in 2020 as there is no valid reason to vote for a Democrat as results matter. You obviously aren't part of the 56% that support the job he is doing on the most important issue, the economy. I am in that 56% because I don't get caught up in tabloid politics like you

Trump's job creation was due to creating incentive for the private sector to hire full time jobs and they have. African Americans wanting to work are getting jobs they couldn't get during Obama's term. There is a reason for the African American support for Trump but you just cannot accept that reality. If Trump increases his support by even a little he wins big and African Americans who are working won't be willing to trust the Democrats to keep them employed. businesses will not hire with Democratic class envy, jealousy and politics of personal destruction

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I just did give him credit for boosting confidence at the corporate and consumer level, but confidence is a fickle thing. What you can't seem to point to is what policy, or in this case "incentive", Trump has initiated that would have changed where the trajectory was already heading from before he was in office. As for the African American vote, he's going to move the needle significantly for it to matter much. You seem to be ignoring the voters who might have not turned up assuming Democrats would win too. It will be interesting to see how it all pans out.

As for businesses not hiring with Democrats in office, no business is going to do this if there is a need to hire. I have hired under Democrats, and under Republicans; it's the need for employees due to growth that makes has me hire people. This "class envy, jealousy and politics of personal destruction" means bugger all if I need to increase my staff.

ElChupacabra said:

I just did give him credit for boosting confidence at the corporate and consumer level, but confidence is a fickle thing. What you can't seem to point to is what policy, or in this case "incentive", Trump has initiated that would have changed where the trajectory was already heading from before he was in office. As for the African American vote, he's going to move the needle significantly for it to matter much. You seem to be ignoring the voters who might have not turned up assuming Democrats would win too. It will be interesting to see how it all pans out.

As for businesses not hiring with Democrats in office, no business is going to do this if there is a need to hire. I have hired under Democrats, and under Republicans; it's the need for employees due to growth that makes has me hire people. This "class envy, jealousy and politics of personal destruction" means bugger all if I need to increase my staff.

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Allowing people to keep more of what they earn is a great incentive and the left wing bull**** that the tax cuts only went to the rich is a lie recognized by the American people who now give him a 56% approval rating on the economy.

You have yet to give me a reason to vote FOR a Democrat and the results generated give me that reason to vote for Trump. You are apparently so well off that results don't matter to you but they do to millions

You really don't understand incentive. Businesses know they aren't going to be penalized for strong performance and profits under Trump and that is what is generating the results today. Here is the big issue that you and the left want to ignore, the under employed

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value

Series Id: LNS13327709
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (seas) Total unemployed, plus all marginally attached workers plus total employed part time for economic reasons, as a percent of all civilian labor force plus all marginally attached workers
Labor force status: Aggregated totals unemployed
Type of data: Percent or rate
Age: 16 years and over
Percent/rates: Unemployed and mrg attached and pt for econ reas as percent of labor force plus marg attached
Years: 2008 to 2019

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2008 9.2 9.0 9.1 9.2 9.7 10.1 10.5 10.8 11.0 11.8 12.6 13.6
2009 14.2 15.2 15.8 15.9 16.5 16.5 16.4 16.7 16.7 17.1 17.1 17.1
2010 16.7 17.0 17.1 17.1 16.6 16.4 16.4 16.5 16.8 16.6 16.9 16.6
2011 16.2 16.0 15.9 16.1 15.8 16.1 15.9 16.1 16.4 15.8 15.5 15.2
2012 15.2 15.0 14.5 14.6 14.7 14.8 14.8 14.6 14.8 14.4 14.4 14.4
2013 14.6 14.4 13.8 14.0 13.8 14.2 13.8 13.6 13.5 13.6 13.1 13.1
2014 12.7 12.6 12.6 12.3 12.2 12.0 12.1 12.0 11.7 11.5 11.4 11.2
2015 11.3 11.0 10.8 10.8 10.9 10.4 10.3 10.2 10.0 9.8 10.0 9.9
2016 9.8 9.7 9.8 9.7 9.9 9.5 9.7 9.6 9.7 9.6 9.4 9.2
2017 9.3 9.1 8.7 8.6 8.5 8.5 8.5 8.6 8.3 8.0 8.0 8.1
2018 8.2 8.2 7.9 7.8 7.7 7.8 7.5 7.4 7.5 7.5 7.6 7.6
2019 8.1 7.3 7.3 7.3 7.1 7.2 7.0 7.2 6.9 7.0 6.9 6.7
2020 6.9

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Do these numbers mean anything to you?? Good jobs, good pay, and strong economic activity=4 MORE YEARS!!

Conservative said:

There is plenty of logic here as we have a private sector economy and spending as a percentage of GDP is irrelevant

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Having a private sector doesn't make any type of spending in terms of GDP irrelevant. That's just a stupid thing to say. You have no counter to my statement, and therefore my point stands. Infrastructure is underfunded and becoming obsolete.

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Having a private sector doesn't make any type of spending in terms of GDP irrelevant. That's just a stupid thing to say. You have no counter to my statement, and therefore my point stands. Infrastructure is underfunded and becoming obsolete.

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But Kush, you don’t know anything.

Conservative was a low level functionary for an HR Department at an apparently mid sized company in Texas for like years and stuff.

He clearly knows a lot about economics, far more than anyone else in the universe.

I mean, his ability to cherry pick BLS.GOV is legendary among economists...

Jetboogieman said:

But Kush, you don’t know anything.

Conservative was a low level functionary for an HR Department at an apparently mid sized company in Texas for like years and stuff.

He clearly knows a lot about economics, far more than anyone else in the universe.

I mean, his ability to cherry pick BLS.GOV is legendary among economists...

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LOL, tell that to the under employed during the Obama Administration that the numbers were cherrypicked.

Kushinator said:

Having a private sector doesn't make any type of spending in terms of GDP irrelevant. That's just a stupid thing to say. You have no counter to my statement, and therefore my point stands. Infrastructure is underfunded and becoming obsolete.

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Nothing is as stupid as the left wing argument that never addresses the Trump economic results nor the under employed that Obama created

Conservative said:

Nothing is as stupid as the left wing argument that never addresses the Trump economic results nor the under employed that Obama created

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Your pontification isn't a substitute for a reasonable counter-argument. The topic was with regards to infrastructure... not this mindless obsession about keeping up with Obama. President's do not create underemployment in a market driven economy. You are dismissed.

Conservative said:

Allowing people to keep more of what they earn is a great incentive and the left wing bull**** that the tax cuts only went to the rich is a lie recognized by the American people who now give him a 56% approval rating on the economy.

You have yet to give me a reason to vote FOR a Democrat and the results generated give me that reason to vote for Trump. You are apparently so well off that results don't matter to you but they do to millions

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Yet you ignore every other poll which does not rate him highly on anything else. This is why your analysis on just about anything is lacking; you focus on what is positive and ignore everything else. I have given credit for the areas where I think he's had a direct impact, you just come back with the same tired information thinking repetition says anything other than you avoidance of other factors. I'm not trying to convince you to vote for anyone else; that's between you and the ballot box. I've given you my reasons why I will not be voting for Trump, you just don't like them.

As I've already stated, "keeping more of what you earn" is great if it helps them with the areas in which they struggle, but one has to wonder if they'd trade their ~$1,000 a year in savings for cheaper access to healthcare. This is another area you ignore.

You really don't understand incentive. Businesses know they aren't going to be penalized for strong performance and profits under Trump and that is what is generating the results today. Here is the big issue that you and the left want to ignore, the under employed

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I certainly do; as a small business owner and being in corporate management at a major corporation. The financial incentives work well for the private sector in putting that money to work in certain areas of the business, but we were specifically talking about hiring. I can tell you that from a small business perspective, I'm not hiring unless it is warranted.

Do these numbers mean anything to you?? Good jobs, good pay, and strong economic activity=4 MORE YEARS!!

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Sure they do; they just tell a much broader story than they seem to you recognize.

Kushinator said:

Your pontification isn't a substitute for a reasonable counter-argument. The topic was with regards to infrastructure... not this mindless obsession about keeping up with Obama. President's do not create underemployment in a market driven economy. You are dismissed.

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You live in one of the highest cost of living cities in the nation and still have no idea what taxes you pay or their purpose. That is an indictment against the education system in your area. President's create policy and policies implemented create employment and under Employment, Obama set records for the under employed, reality sucks, doesn't it

ElChupacabra said:

Yet you ignore every other poll which does not rate him highly on anything else. This is why your analysis on just about anything is lacking; you focus on what is positive and ignore everything else. I have given credit for the areas where I think he's had a direct impact, you just come back with the same tired information thinking repetition says anything other than you avoidance of other factors. I'm not trying to convince you to vote for anyone else; that's between you and the ballot box. I've given you my reasons why I will not be voting for Trump, you just don't like them.

As I've already stated, "keeping more of what you earn" is great if it helps them with the areas in which they struggle, but one has to wonder if they'd trade their ~$1,000 a year in savings for cheaper access to healthcare. This is another area you ignore.



I certainly do; as a small business owner and being in corporate management at a major corporation. The financial incentives work well for the private sector in putting that money to work in certain areas of the business, but we were specifically talking about hiring. I can tell you that from a small business perspective, I'm not hiring unless it is warranted.





Sure they do; they just tell a much broader story than they seem to you recognize.

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Because economics is what drives people to the polls not personality, It is indeed the "economy stupid" and always will be as Americans will vote their self interest. There is no reason or valid justification to vote for a Democrat in November, you just want to attack Trump and ignore the results generated simply because it is important to you to like the President, that is very shallow and very irrelevant. The President is term limited and Trump will be gone after 2024, Congress is the problem not the President

Keep more of what you earn now seems to be a problem for you since apparently it isn't being spent the way you want it to be. You live in a state that people are fleeing from with that kind of ideology. Liberals have no understanding of the private sector and although I have no idea how you earned your income it does appear that you don't have any understanding either. Do you think it appropriate to tell others who to spend THEIR money?

As for the small business perspective it is all about profit as you apparently want to forget. High taxes, high regulations impact profit and that impacts employment. Why do you think Obama had so many under employed represented in the U-6 employment rate??

We have a general welfare clause; seawalls for the general welfare! We have no general warfare clause!

Conservative said:

Because economics is what drives people to the polls not personality, It is indeed the "economy stupid" and always will be as Americans will vote their self interest. There is no reason or valid justification to vote for a Democrat in November, you just want to attack Trump and ignore the results generated simply because it is important to you to like the President, that is very shallow and very irrelevant. The President is term limited and Trump will be gone after 2024, Congress is the problem not the President

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There is no reason for you and likeminded people to vote Democrat, but there certainly is for others. Personality does play a part in electability; you can ignore this all you want, but I can assure you Trump's strategists are not. The image an individual presents is catered to the demographic they're trying to reach. I have not mentioned personality once in our exchange, but it seems to be your way out when you've run out of steam. I'll expect you to ask me how Trump has hurt my family next. You also ignore the reality that the state of the economy solely relies on Trump, which it does not. Nothing in any of the numbers or charts, justifies the idea that somehow the economy collapses if he were not reelected.

Keep more of what you earn now seems to be a problem for you since apparently it isn't being spent the way you want it to be. You live in a state that people are fleeing from with that kind of ideology. Liberals have no understanding of the private sector and although I have no idea how you earned your income it does appear that you don't have any understanding either. Do you think it appropriate to tell others who to spend THEIR money?

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It is not a problem, but again you inject suppositions to deflect from the point. What I was talking about was whether people want that money back in the form of tax cuts or are willing to forego them for affordable healthcare and other social programs which will help them spend the money they keep on other things. Again, I'm not even going to address your rehashed "people fleeing your state" nonsense, because it's more of your ankle biting. You dodged the reasons when I cited why people were leaving the state. I do understand how I earned my income, and this is yet more of your ankle biting. It's pretty cheap; do better.

As for the small business perspective it is all about profit as you apparently want to forget. High taxes, high regulations impact profit and that impacts employment. Why do you think Obama had so many under employed represented in the U-6 employment rate??

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Nope, I don't want to forget; I can't afford to actually because I own one. From a personal perspective, no regulations or taxes prevented me from hiring; and I actually hired more in 2015 because business grew enough to warrant it. If the return you're expecting from increasing staffing warrants it, taxes aren't going to be what stops you; margins are important and that's what you have to assess.

So which specific regulations under the Obama presidency had this impact?

Can anyone show Pelosi's FY20 budget proposal? After all...it IS her job to produce a budget..so while everyone is ****ting themselves over Trumps proposed budget, maybe you could produce the democrat budget for a comparative analysis.

ElChupacabra;1071365136]There is no reason for you and likeminded people to vote Democrat, but there certainly is for others. Personality does play a part in electability; you can ignore this all you want, but I can assure you Trump's strategists are not. The image an individual presents is catered to the demographic they're trying to reach. I have not mentioned personality once in our exchange, but it seems to be your way out when you've run out of steam. I'll expect you to ask me how Trump has hurt my family next. You also ignore the reality that the state of the economy solely relies on Trump, which it does not. Nothing in any of the numbers or charts, justifies the idea that somehow the economy collapses if he were not reelected.

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That is the problem today, the people who vote Democratic today have developed an entitlement mentality that someone else owes them for their own personal responsibility issues which really are state and local not Federal. Today's Democratic Party has been radicalized and no matter how much evidence is presented as to the damage liberalism does, the liberal arrogance takes over. "We can do it better than the last group of liberals!"

It is not a problem, but again you inject suppositions to deflect from the point. What I was talking about was whether people want that money back in the form of tax cuts or are willing to forego them for affordable healthcare and other social programs which will help them spend the money they keep on other things. Again, I'm not even going to address your rehashed "people fleeing your state" nonsense, because it's more of your ankle biting. You dodged the reasons when I cited why people were leaving the state. I do understand how I earned my income, and this is yet more of your ankle biting. It's pretty cheap; do better.

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Affordable healthcare? That is a state and local responsibilty not a federal one, what is it going to take to get that through your head?? 50 different states, 50 different cost of livings and you want a once size fits all that takes away incentive. The grass is always greener on the other side until you get there. Haven't you learned that?

I didn't dodge your reasoning, I dismissed it. You think you know what everyone else wants and needs. you don't, that is nothing more than liberal arrogance. Stop judging others by your own standards. People are leaving your state because of the high cost of living there, high taxes that are paying for liberalism, and the inability to now deduct your high state and local taxes from the federal return

Nope, I don't want to forget; I can't afford to actually because I own one. From a personal perspective, no regulations or taxes prevented me from hiring; and I actually hired more in 2015 because business grew enough to warrant it. If the return you're expecting from increasing staffing warrants it, taxes aren't going to be what stops you; margins are important and that's what you have to assess.

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Not sure what kind of business you ran but the reality is I also lived in a family that ran a small business. Your ignorance of the tax and regulation burden being put on small businesses is staggering. You ignored the question, why did Obama create so many under employed?? You answer that question before I do.

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That is the problem today, the people who vote Democratic today have developed an entitlement mentality that someone else owes them for their own personal responsibility issues which really are state and local not Federal. Today's Democratic Party has been radicalized and no matter how much evidence is presented as to the damage liberalism does, the liberal arrogance takes over. "We can do it better than the last group of liberals!"





Affordable healthcare? That is a state and local responsibilty not a federal one, what is it going to take to get that through your head?? 50 different states, 50 different cost of livings and you want a once size fits all that takes away incentive. The grass is always greener on the other side until you get there. Haven't you learned that?

I didn't dodge your reasoning, I dismissed it. You think you know what everyone else wants and needs. you don't, that is nothing more than liberal arrogance. Stop judging others by your own standards. People are leaving your state because of the high cost of living there, high taxes that are paying for liberalism, and the inability to now deduct your high state and local taxes from the federal return





Not sure what kind of business you ran but the reality is I also lived in a family that ran a small business. Your ignorance of the tax and regulation burden being put on small businesses is staggering. You ignored the question, why did Obama create so many under employed?? You answer that question before I do.

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Says the person who lives off the federal government dime courtesy of we the American taxpayer.

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Says the person who lives off the federal government dime courtesy of we the American taxpayer.

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Obviously another liberal that has no understanding of the SELF FUNDING PROGRAM CALLED SS and MEDICARE!! What a dumb ass statement to make. Forced contributions for 35 years by an employee and employer means nothing to you showing the real problem with liberalism, clueless people who are indeed the problem this country faces today.

The only reason anyone lives off the gov't taxpayers is the abuse the federal bureaucrats did to the SS and Medicare Trust fund, BORROWING IT AND NEVER PAYING IT BACK. Maybe you ought to think before you post

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You live in one of the highest cost of living cities in the nation

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Where i live has nothing to do with the topic. You're just diverting because you've lost this discussion from the beginning.

have no idea what taxes you pay or their purpose.

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This is a lie. Your definition of purpose doesn't matter.

That is an indictment against the education system in your area.

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Now we get to a personal attack!

President's create policy and policies implemented create employment and under Employment, Obama set records for the under employed, reality sucks, doesn't it

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Your obsession with Obama is not healthy. He has nothing to do with the topic at hand, and you're not capable or interested in discussing such topics. Our infrastructure is both underfunded and in need of serious repairs/modernization.

VanceMack said:

Can anyone show Pelosi's FY20 budget proposal? After all...it IS her job to produce a budget..so while everyone is ****ting themselves over Trumps proposed budget, maybe you could produce the democrat budget for a comparative analysis.

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Your attempt to divert is noted. The fact of the matter is, Trump is proposing a spending increase that's $1 trillion greater than when he took office. For FY2016, federal outlays were $3.852 trillion. The GOP is the party of deficits and debt, as they continue to push economic policy that both cuts revenue and grows spending... even during periods of very low unemployment and sustained economic growth.