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Trump to Propose $4.8 Trillion Budget With More Border Wall Funding

Deuce said:
No, I have no idea what you are talking about. You're arguing some point not remotely related to anything I've said. What I said to you was "infrastructure in our country is in bad shape." Then you started ranting about excise taxes and responsibilities. It doesn't matter whose responsibility you think that infrastructure is, it doesn't change its age or repair status. Agree?
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Infrastructure in this country is the role of the federal, state, and local governments funded by the Excise taxes you pay at the pump and when you purchase and automobile or license plats.. Focus only on federal excise taxes ignores state and local responsibility for state and local highways and bridges
 
Deuce said:
No, I have no idea what you are talking about. You're arguing some point not remotely related to anything I've said. What I said to you was "infrastructure in our country is in bad shape." Then you started ranting about excise taxes and responsibilities. It doesn't matter whose responsibility you think that infrastructure is, it doesn't change its age or repair status. Agree?
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Conservative always tries to change the subject
You tell him that the Infrastructure in this country is in bad shape then he tries to change the subject and tries to make you look like a fool saying ou don't know what taxes pay for that infrastructure and that had nothing to do with what you posted
Good luck with Him
Have a nice afternoon
 
Tbird19482 said:
Conservative always tries to change the subject
You tell him that the Infrastructure in this country is in bad shape then he tries to change the subject and tries to make you look like a fool saying ou don't know what taxes pay for that infrastructure and that had nothing to do with what you posted
Good luck with Him
Have a nice afternoon
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Unlike you and the education you received, mine taught me about the federal, state, and local government responsibilities and also basic civics which defined those roles. You on the other hand must have missed those classes because you continue to show your ignorance of this very basic topic. You pay Excise taxes on every gallon of gasoline you purchase, you pay taxes on the automobiles purchased and it is those taxes that fund highway and infrastructure. there are two taxes, Federal Excise and State Excise taxes just like there are federal and state highways.

So just like with FIT, CIT you have no understanding of the taxes you pay or their purpose. Why should the federal taxpayers fund state and local highways and bridge construction and repairs? You are a proponent of the Unified Budget which gives bureaucrats cover over their waste, fraud, and abuse. This is why the left loves having poorly educated people supporting them


The taxes and other fees on retail gasoline and diesel fuel, in cents per gallon, as of July 1, 2019

Federal Excise Taxes

Gasoline-18.40
Diesel-24.40


Average of total state taxes
Gasoline 29.66
Diesel 31.54
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Conservative said:
Unlike you and the education you received, mine taught me about the federal, state, and local government responsibilities and also basic civics which defined those roles. You on the other hand must have missed those classes because you continue to show your ignorance of this very basic topic. You pay Excise taxes on every gallon of gasoline you purchase, you pay taxes on the automobiles purchased and it is those taxes that fund highway and infrastructure. there are two taxes, Federal Excise and State Excise taxes just like there are federal and state highways.

So just like with FIT, CIT you have no understanding of the taxes you pay or their purpose. Why should the federal taxpayers fund state and local highways and bridge construction and repairs? You are a proponent of the Unified Budget which gives bureaucrats cover over their wae, fraud, and abuse. This is why the left loves having poorly educated people supporting them
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Please show me where I ever said that that Fed. taxpayers should fund state / and local roads
where have I ever said that excise taxes went any wheres else but for Roads and highway infrastructure
and just like you keep saying FIT and CIT and some other taxes were started just to fund Discretionary spending , IF you had some reading comprehension you would have known I have been agreeing with you on that point for some time now
YES they were started to just fund discretionary spending, they aren't being used that way now seeing there are programs , and Interest that have to be paid
BUT over time with the SS system and medicare being put on budget ( several times now, they have also been taken off budget several times too ) FICA covers them and FIT, CIT and the other taxes are paying for some of the other programs that are in the Mandatory spending including int. on the money the gov. " borrowed " from the SS fund
and AGAIN IF the SS trust fund was allowed to invest those funds in very secure investments they could be getting a better ROI then they are now and the Fed. wouldn't be paying so much interest to the SS Trust fund and could lower the deficit by that amount
BUT again the Gov. " Borrowed " that money to help keep the deficits down and now has to pay it back.
and just where do you get that I like the unified budget
I never said i I did or didn't
Yes take SS and medicare off budget AGAIN they have their own taxes that can support them but you will still have to pay interest on the money the Gov. has already " borrowed " from the fund
and that Interest is under Mandatory spending so even if you took the SS system and Medicare off budget it wouldn't matter because there are still programs that are on budget that FIT. Cit and other taxes have to pay for first and what ever you have left over goes to discretionary spending
So just how many times do I have to agree with you that FIT, CIT and some other taxes were set up to fund discretionary spending, and again seeing we have a unified budget FICA pays for SS and medicare and what ever else that is in the Mandatory spending has to be paid for first then what money that is left over goes for discretionary spending
and IF the Gov. spends more then the money that is left over it has to go on the deficit then on the debt
Have a nice afternoon
 
Tbird19482 said:
Please show me where I ever said that that Fed. taxpayers should fund state / and local roads
where have I ever said that excise taxes went any wheres else but for Roads and highway infrastructure
and just like you keep saying FIT and CIT and some other taxes were started just to fund Discretionary spending , IF you had some reading comprehension you would have known I have been agreeing with you on that point for some time now
YES they were started to just fund discretionary spending, they aren't being used that way now seeing there are programs , and Interest that have to be paid
BUT over time with the SS system and medicare being put on budget ( several times now, they have also been taken off budget several times too ) FICA covers them and FIT, CIT and the other taxes are paying for some of the other programs that are in the Mandatory spending including int. on the money the gov. " borrowed " from the SS fund
and AGAIN IF the SS trust fund was allowed to invest those funds in very secure investments they could be getting a better ROI then they are now and the Fed. wouldn't be paying so much interest to the SS Trust fund and could lower the deficit by that amount
BUT again the Gov. " Borrowed " that money to help keep the deficits down and now has to pay it back.
and just where do you get that I like the unified budget
I never said i I did or didn't
Yes take SS and medicare off budget AGAIN they have their own taxes that can support them but you will still have to pay interest on the money the Gov. has already " borrowed " from the fund
and that Interest is under Mandatory spending so even if you took the SS system and Medicare off budget it wouldn't matter because there are still programs that are on budget that FIT. Cit and other taxes have to pay for first and what ever you have left over goes to discretionary spending
So just how many times do I have to agree with you that FIT, CIT and some other taxes were set up to fund discretionary spending, and again seeing we have a unified budget FICA pays for SS and medicare and what ever else that is in the Mandatory spending has to be paid for first then what money that is left over goes for discretionary spending
and IF the Gov. spends more then the money that is left over it has to go on the deficit then on the debt
Have a nice afternoon
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It does appear that you have a short term memory and forget what you posted in the past. Every anti Trump thread finds posting you including this one. So apparently you now support the Trump proposed budget?
 
Conservative said:
It does appear that you have a short term memory and forget what you posted in the past. Every anti Trump thread finds posting you including this one. So apparently you now support the Trump proposed budget?
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I never said anything of the kind
there you go again trying to change what other people say.
Are you saying I said that FIT, CIT and excise taxes were started for mandatory spending and not discretionary spending?
again like you have said FICA and other taxes that are just for SS and medicare are just for them and seeing that we now again have a unified budget ( thanks to two Republicans and one dem ) Mandatory spending ( that includes programs for the poor and other things like interest we have to pay to the SS fund, because the Gov. " borrowed " that money years ago to keep deficits and the debt down ) comes out first and what ever is left is or Discretionary spending
and as I have before I agree ( and said ) FIT and CIT and some other taxes WERE started just to cover Discretionary spending , but we have a unified budget and they have to be used for some mandatory spending programs that are NOT covered by FICA and other SS taxes.
Again in those mandatory programs there is INT. paid on the money we " borrowed " from the SS trust fund and other programs
IF you don't like the fact that we pay int. to the SS Trust fund write your reps and tell them to pay back the money we " borrowed " and let the SS Trust fund invest that money in very secure funds
That way we wouldn't have to be paying int. on that money and the Trust fund should be earning more money on those funds then they are now
have a nice day
 
Tbird19482 said:
I never said anything of the kind
there you go again trying to change what other people say.
Are you saying I said that FIT, CIT and excise taxes were started for mandatory spending and not discretionary spending?
again like you have said FICA and other taxes that are just for SS and medicare are just for them and seeing that we now again have a unified budget ( thanks to two Republicans and one dem ) Mandatory spending ( that includes programs for the poor and other things like interest we have to pay to the SS fund, because the Gov. " borrowed " that money years ago to keep deficits and the debt down ) comes out first and what ever is left is or Discretionary spending
and as I have before I agree ( and said ) FIT and CIT and some other taxes WERE started just to cover Discretionary spending , but we have a unified budget and they have to be used for some mandatory spending programs that are NOT covered by FICA and other SS taxes.
Again in those mandatory programs there is INT. paid on the money we " borrowed " from the SS trust fund and other programs
IF you don't like the fact that we pay int. to the SS Trust fund write your reps and tell them to pay back the money we " borrowed " and let the SS Trust fund invest that money in very secure funds
That way we wouldn't have to be paying int. on that money and the Trust fund should be earning more money on those funds then they are now
have a nice day
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You obviously support the unified budget and that is using FIT and other taxes to fund both mandatory and discretionary spending.

As for paying back the money "borrowed" where is that going to come from?
 
Conservative said:
Infrastructure in this country is the role of the federal, state, and local governments funded by the Excise taxes you pay at the pump and when you purchase and automobile or license plats.. Focus only on federal excise taxes ignores state and local responsibility for state and local highways and bridges
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Maybe I should clarify:

I have no idea why you are so obsessed with this particular line of discussion. I said infrastructure is in bad shape, do you agree or not? Why should I ignore state and local responsibility for anything?
 
Conservative said:
You obviously support the unified budget and that is using FIT and other taxes to fund both mandatory and discretionary spending.

As for paying back the money "borrowed" where is that going to come from?
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Again don't try and say I support something I never said I supported or not
for one thing it wouldn't matter if SS and Medicare were on or off budget they are paid for by FICA and other taxes that are just for them and nothing else
You would still have mandatory spending , and that includes some programs to help the American people and Interest on the debt and part of that int. goes to the SS Trust fund because they lent money to the Federal Gov. and the fund earned that int.
as it is now the SS trust fund is the largest lender to the Federal Government.
so take SS and Medicare off budget , what will that do?
Nothing , not one dang thing
as YOU and I and many others on here have said a hundred times SS and Medicare have their own taxes and fund themselves
it is the other programs in the mandatory spending that we still have to pay , and what other taxes are there to pay them?
just FIT Cit and the other taxes
Yes they may have been set up to pay for discretionary spending but we do not have any other taxes set up to cover just mandatory spending so just where do you suggest we get the money to pay for the other mandatory spending after they take SS and Medicare off budget for the third or fourth time?
well as for paying back the money we borrowed from the SS Trust fund, well seeing it was used to keep the deficit / debt down and lower FIT and CIT I guess we should raise FIT and CIT to pay it back
seems only fair seeing they used that money to cut FIT and Cit in the years past so FIT and CIT should be used to pay it back
So again it is about time YOU stop trying to change what other people said or say they said something they didn't
have a nice night
 
Deuce said:
Maybe I should clarify:

I have no idea why you are so obsessed with this particular line of discussion. I said infrastructure is in bad shape, do you agree or not? Why should I ignore state and local responsibility for anything?
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Depends on where you are, I drove 5800 miles in October and there was road construction everywhere. Maybe you ought to ask your state gov't what they are doing with their excise tax revenues?
 
Tbird19482 said:
Again don't try and say I support something I never said I supported or not
for one thing it wouldn't matter if SS and Medicare were on or off budget they are paid for by FICA and other taxes that are just for them and nothing else
You would still have mandatory spending , and that includes some programs to help the American people and Interest on the debt and part of that int. goes to the SS Trust fund because they lent money to the Federal Gov. and the fund earned that int.
as it is now the SS trust fund is the largest lender to the Federal Government.
so take SS and Medicare off budget , what will that do?
Nothing , not one dang thing
as YOU and I and many others on here have said a hundred times SS and Medicare have their own taxes and fund themselves
it is the other programs in the mandatory spending that we still have to pay , and what other taxes are there to pay them?
just FIT Cit and the other taxes
Yes they may have been set up to pay for discretionary spending but we do not have any other taxes set up to cover just mandatory spending so just where do you suggest we get the money to pay for the other mandatory spending after they take SS and Medicare off budget for the third or fourth time?
well as for paying back the money we borrowed from the SS Trust fund, well seeing it was used to keep the deficit / debt down and lower FIT and CIT I guess we should raise FIT and CIT to pay it back
seems only fair seeing they used that money to cut FIT and Cit in the years past so FIT and CIT should be used to pay it back
So again it is about time YOU stop trying to change what other people said or say they said something they didn't
have a nice night
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it really is a waste of time dealing with someone like you who is so fixated on people and companies that don't pay any taxes that you ignore where the tax revenue goes that we do collect and why we have a deficit. Money borrowed from SS and Medicare need to be paid back but not at the expense of FIT and CIT which is being paid by people who DON'T get SS and Medicare which apparently you believe all Americans do showing again how bad the liberal education is that you received. Stop whining about what someone else pays in taxes or earns and start holding your bureaucrats responsible for the waste, fraud, and abuse of the taxes they receive.

Today people are keeping more of what they earn meaning that states and local gov'ts can raise taxes to fund social programs taking that responsibility away from the federal bureaucrats. You don't seem to understand state and local responsibility as it relates to social issues and healthcare
 
Conservative said:
it really is a waste of time dealing with someone like you who is so fixated on people and companies that don't pay any taxes that you ignore where the tax revenue goes that we do collect and why we have a deficit. Money borrowed from SS and Medicare need to be paid back but not at the expense of FIT and CIT which is being paid by people who DON'T get SS and Medicare which apparently you believe all Americans do showing again how bad the liberal education is that you received. Stop whining about what someone else pays in taxes or earns and start holding your bureaucrats responsible for the waste, fraud, and abuse of the taxes they receive.

Today people are keeping more of what they earn meaning that states and local gov'ts can raise taxes to fund social programs taking that responsibility away from the federal bureaucrats. You don't seem to understand state and local responsibility as it relates to social issues and healthcare
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So the people that don't get SS and have used the money from the SS trust fund to keep the deficit/ debt down so they didn't have to pay more fit at that time should not pay a higher FIT to pay it back
The Gov. used that money so they didn't have to raise FIT at that time so now it is time to pay that money back and you want to just let FICA pay it back?
well again they " Borrowed " it so they didn't have to raise FIT back then so why shouldn't they use FIT now to pay it back
Talking to you is like talking to a wall. in fact worse, I think a wall is a lot smarter then you will ever be
Have a nice day
 
Tbird19482 said:
So the people that don't get SS and have used the money from the SS trust fund to keep the deficit/ debt down so they didn't have to pay more fit at that time should not pay a higher FIT to pay it back
The Gov. used that money so they didn't have to raise FIT at that time so now it is time to pay that money back and you want to just let FICA pay it back?
well again they " Borrowed " it so they didn't have to raise FIT back then so why shouldn't they use FIT now to pay it back
Talking to you is like talking to a wall. in fact worse, I think a wall is a lot smarter then you will ever be
Have a nice day
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What the hell are you talking about?? How do you know what funds taken from the SS and Medicare Trust fund actual funded? Your stunning ignorance gives you zero credibility.

You really are pissed off that you can no longer deduct fully your high state and local taxes, aren't you? Why should you be able to deduct fully taxes being paid for state and local expenses from your federal return?? Nothing independent in anything you post, have a nice day
 
Conservative said:
What the hell are you talking about?? How do you know what funds taken from the SS and Medicare Trust fund actual funded? Your stunning ignorance gives you zero credibility.

You really are pissed off that you can no longer deduct fully your high state and local taxes, aren't you? Why should you be able to deduct fully taxes being paid for state and local expenses from your federal return?? Nothing independent in anything you post, have a nice day
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You wait a min.
I know FICA pays for SS and Medicare
MY point to you is over the years the Gov. " Borrowed " a lot of money from the SS Trust fund to keep the deficit / debt down so they didn't have to raise fit
so now that money has to be paid back with int.
seeing it was used to keep FIT / CIT down they now have to use FIT / Cit to pay it back
they used it to keep FIT down back then and now you think they should just let it go and keep having have FICA pay it back
well AGAIN they used it so they wouldn't have to raise FIT and cover the things FIT should have paid for back then and now it has to be paid back so why shouldn't they be using FIT to pay it back
Have a nice day
 
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Here's the fence between El Paso and Cuidad Juarez. If not for the fence, there'd be a constant stream of people illegally entering America.
 
Tbird19482 said:
You wait a min.
I know FICA pays for SS and Medicare
MY point to you is over the years the Gov. " Borrowed " a lot of money from the SS Trust fund to keep the deficit / debt down so they didn't have to raise fit
so now that money has to be paid back with int.
seeing it was used to keep FIT / CIT down they now have to use FIT / Cit to pay it back
they used it to keep FIT down back then and now you think they should just let it go and keep having have FICA pay it back
well AGAIN they used it so they wouldn't have to raise FIT and cover the things FIT should have paid for back then and now it has to be paid back so why shouldn't they be using FIT to pay it back
Have a nice day
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Yes, the gov't borrowed the money without the knowledge of the American people like you, now you want to ignore that reality and raise income taxes with no assurance the money will be used to payback the trust fund. that is what got us into the debt in the first place.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That is very misleading - this "budget" contains $2B for the Great Wall Of Trump which is a reduction from his last year's "budget" request for the same purpose.
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That is what I was going to bring up as well


That in Gov dollars is slightly above what congress appropriated before?
 
Conservative said:
Yes, the gov't borrowed the money without the knowledge of the American people like you, now you want to ignore that reality and raise income taxes with no assurance the money will be used to payback the trust fund. that is what got us into the debt in the first place.
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And where did I say that?
I didn't
maybe they should take part of the FIT and put it in a fund just to be used to pay back the SS trust fund and nothing else
again they took that money to helpkeep the deficit / debt down so they wouldn't have to raise FIT back then so now they should use the FIT to pay it back
and as I have said before if needed they should start a National sales tax to be used to pay the debt down and JUST for that reason and when it is paid off that tax would be suspended and could ONLY be used if we had another great recession / depression or a war like WWII
Have a nice day
 
Tbird19482 said:
And where did I say that?
I didn't
maybe they should take part of the FIT and put it in a fund just to be used to pay back the SS trust fund and nothing else
again they took that money to helpkeep the deficit / debt down so they wouldn't have to raise FIT back then so now they should use the FIT to pay it back
and as I have said before if needed they should start a National sales tax to be used to pay the debt down and JUST for that reason and when it is paid off that tax would be suspended and could ONLY be used if we had another great recession / depression or a war like WWII
Have a nice day
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You say a lot of things that make no sense which is why you are a waste of time. I am waiting for you to explain how over 2 trillion in revenue to fund 1.48 trillion in spending causes deficits. You are totally clueless when it comes to the line items in the budget and totally focused on revenue and not bureaucratic abuse of that revenue. Have a nice day

US Federal Budget Breakdown
 
Conservative said:
Depends on where you are, I drove 5800 miles in October and there was road construction everywhere. Maybe you ought to ask your state gov't what they are doing with their excise tax revenues?
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Roads aren't the only infrastructure. You saw construction everywhere in October because that's when people do road construction. There are bridges, water lines, power plants, internet datalines, etc, that all are in dire need of updating and modernizing. Everywhere.
 
Deuce said:
Roads aren't the only infrastructure. You saw construction everywhere in October because that's when people do road construction.
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The point stands, excise taxes fund infrastructure and they are collected by both the federal and state governments. find out why your state isn't repairing state and local highways and bridges.
 
Conservative said:
The point stands, excise taxes fund infrastructure and they are collected by both the federal and state governments. find out why your state isn't repairing state and local highways and bridges.
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****'s expensive, yo.
 
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