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Antifa protesters throw concrete at police and vandalize a war memorial ... during demonstration

Lisa said:
The Antifa had used the tactics of Neo-Nazis and turned them on the members of the Alt-right because they are proven to work. They fight fire with fire and then have proven to be very effective.

North Korea is a violent dictatorship that Donald Trump is having a bro'mance with their leader Kim. They even share similar ideas on hairstyles.
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Lol the only thing they have been effective in is amplifying the message of those they wish to silence. They are essentially the political version of the Striesand effect. Take their most famous tantrum involving Milo Yiannopoulos at Berkeley, had they not shown up he goes and has a speech to a couple hundred people and nothing happens but due to the widespread media coverage, Milo's speeches went viral and instantly propelled him into his 15 minutes of fame and instead of 100s now millions of people have listened to his speeches. If anything one of the biggest recruiters for the Alt-Right is Antifa due to how they help amplify their message.
 
eman623 said:
If it walks like a fascist and wears a black mask like a fascist and beats up innocent bystanders like a fascist.

And if the fascists who you're supposed to be anti-fascisting against cancel their gig and don't show up, then you don't even haye that. You're just the fascists.
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"You keep on using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

They're anarchists. They hate government and cops and such. Not model citizens, but not fascists.
 
Antifa = Cowardly liberal fascists
 
eman623 said:
Seems to me that if you show up to counter-protest and the people you are protesting against don't show, you should just call it a day. Otherwise, YOU are the protesters.
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I’ll point out, though it should go without saying, that violent protest and rioting is indefensible regardless of what the cause is.

With that out of the way, I’m not sure I agree with the specific argument you’re making here. Surely you’re dismissing any protest that isn’t against something of someone literally at the place of the protest. Most protests are against a wider concept of something. Even if there is an immediate target, it’s typically symbolic of a wider issue the protesters are complaining about. After all, on that basis there’d have been no point to the original KKK rally in the first place.
 
Digger said:
"You keep on using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

They're anarchists. They hate government and cops and such. Not model citizens, but not fascists.
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If you say so, but I don't think anarchy describes their politics. I think they probably more desire a strong centralized state and a police that would enforce their own political ideas.

I'm pretty sure what they are matters not at all to the people they jabbed and pepper sprayed.
 
HonestJoe said:
I’ll point out, though it should go without saying, that violent protest and rioting is indefensible regardless of what the cause is.

With that out of the way, I’m not sure I agree with the specific argument you’re making here. Surely you’re dismissing any protest that isn’t against something of someone literally at the place of the protest. Most protests are against a wider concept of something. Even if there is an immediate target, it’s typically symbolic of a wider issue the protesters are complaining about. After all, on that basis there’d have been no point to the original KKK rally in the first place.
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Fair enough, but if there's no KKK folks protesting in the vicinity, then you can't really call yourself a counter-protester.
 
eman623 said:
Seems to me that if you show up to counter-protest and the people you are protesting against don't show, you should just call it a day. Otherwise, YOU are the protesters.

Also, when the A-hole who organized this mob said, 'We still have to show up, because the risk of not showing up is far greater.', I have to ask: risk of what? The risk that a few dozen white supremacists listen to a speech and no one beats up innocent bystanders?
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Antifa is a coalition of thugs playing "anti-fascist" to excuse their use of violence. In the end, they're just violent thugs and should be treated as such.
 
Ah, the comments on here saying that Fox News, a known moderate organization, accusing it of being Right wing. Predictable.
 
truthatallcost said:
Different continent, different millennia, same heinous behavior.

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People don't realize that communists were attacking the police under the phony guise of 'fighting fascists' 100 years ago.
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So the London police of the time were referred to as blackshirts?

Do you ever even read the stuff you post ?:roll:
 
eman623 said:
Fair enough, but if there's no KKK folks protesting in the vicinity, then you can't really call yourself a counter-protester.
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I didn't think they called themselves counter-protesters, it's just others using the term about them. They could still legitimately protest in general, just as the KKK presumably intended to. It's not as if the ideas they intended to counter-protest don't still exist just because one particular group chose not to come out that day.
 
eman623 said:
If you say so, but I don't think anarchy describes their politics. I think they probably more desire a strong centralized state and a police that would enforce their own political ideas.

I'm pretty sure what they are matters not at all to the people they jabbed and pepper sprayed.
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If what they are doesn't matter, why are we arguing about it?

Do you have any basis for your belief? I've been to portland. There are a bunch of anarchists. They wear black masks when they don't want to get singled out, and they hate the police. They are sincere, if not always coherent. Anarchists are definitely not fascists. Words have meaning.
 
Lisa said:
Give the choice between fascists, communists and anarchists I'll happily side with the anarchists and the anti-authoritarian commies.

My political views run toward the left-libertarian social anarchists.

Read The Conquest of Bread, by Kropotkin, and No Gods, No Masters. Guerin.
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The difference is, Trump isn't a real fascist by any stretch of the imagination, but Antifa are real anarchists and communists. There's the problem.

I'll look into the books you mentioned, I'm looking for new reading material atm.
 
truthatallcost said:
The difference is, Trump isn't a real fascist by any stretch of the imagination, but Antifa are real anarchists and communists. There's the problem.

I'll look into the books you mentioned, I'm looking for new reading material atm.
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The facts differ. Fascism is in the top right.

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I doubt that you'll like those titles. YOu'd be more suited to either Nozick or John Rawls.
 
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VanceMack said:
Awesome...now...how do you feel about the rat bastard pieces of **** that you support terrorizing an elderly woman with a walker? Or do you think you are always going to be able to avoid the facts regarding those vile ****ing scumbags by shrieking The Russians! and Fox News!!! Fox NEWWWWWWSSSS!!!

None of your attempts to divert from the facts will divert from the fact that those scumbags were assailing an elderly couple, just as it wont divert from the fact that a bunch of ****heads were attacking cops.
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Let us see how we might describe the actions of three idiots with bandanas on their faces:
Did any of them lay a hand on the lady with the walker?
The one who obstructed the lady's passage was the smallest and I think, not sure, that they were female.
I also wonder why the elderly couple were being blocked when other people were walking around the three masked perps.

RT, the source of the video is funded by the Russian government.

The video does not show anyone "attacking cops"
 
Somerville said:
Let us see how we might describe the actions of three idiots with bandanas on their faces:
Did any of them lay a hand on the lady with the walker?
The one who obstructed the lady's passage was the smallest and I think, not sure, that they were female.
I also wonder why the elderly couple were being blocked when other people were walking around the three masked perps.

RT, the source of the video is funded by the Russian government.

The video does not show anyone "attacking cops"
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I'm going to let you go ahead live with yourself and the first 4 sentences you just posted. Nothing I say about you can better define what you are.
 
VanceMack said:
I'm going to let you go ahead live with yourself and the first 4 sentences you just posted. Nothing I say about you can better define what you are.
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Good to see you concede the fact that I am more observant and more knowledgeable than you. Thank you.
 
There's one in every crowd. Does this mean you don't give a damn about cops killing black people and getting away with it?
 
Protesting the KKK is fine, it is very commendable. Violence however towards the police or the KKK is absolutely inappropriate/criminal. It also weakens your position. These people have to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Violent protesters are scum, no matter which side they are.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
I'm not sure what you thought this post was adding because my response to this would be the same as the one you quoted. Calling anti-fascists fascists is a complete joke. Not surprising from the Fox news crowd though, the bar for intellectualism isn't really the highest.
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what they are and what they SAY they are can be 2 different things.

anyone that runs around stunting free speech with violence and displaying mob culture like brownshirts IS fascist.
 
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