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[W:164]What President Trump’s company charges the Secret Service

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Taylor said:
Obama was just "unlucky"??
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The economy crashed at the end of Bush's last term, and Obama inherited that economy. I would suggest that obviously wasn't Obama's fault, nor was it necessarily Bush's fault. Nor is Trump the reason the economy is going well. It's just in an upswing. Presidents, as a rule, have little to do with the performance of the economy during their administration's term. It is, more often than not, the luck of the draw.
 
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ludin said:
No i just proved that zillows estimates are crap.
that there is no proof that he is profiting from anything.

also the president isn't profiting from anything as no one is cutting him a check to his bank about.
mar a largo is getting the money and trump doesn't own it.

also zillow doesn't account for inflation or anything else as someone was trying to compare rentals by biden who was profiting from
the SS directly. so i don't see your faux outrage there so you shouldn't have an issue here.

when biden or obama does it ok no problem

trump does it bad bad abad.

you hypocrisy is why your argument fails.
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You did nothing of the sort - no matter what you believe

I have already done an inflation calculation, updating to Jan 2020 dollars the amount that was paid to VP Biden back in 2011.

You're correct, Trump doesn't personally own Mar-a-Lago, the Trump Organisation owns it. At this time, we don't know how much he may be personally profiting from fees being paid - because Trump refuses to release any financial information - unlike other presidents have done.

Neither Biden or Obama did anything at the same level of corruption as we see with Donald J Trump.
 
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Atomic Kid said:
But apparently not low enough yet for you abandon your defense of many of his policies and actions. How low does it have to go before you say that's enough? At the rate you're going by the time you finally say that's a bridge too far for me, it may well be already too late then.
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Most politicians = Corrupt criminals

Goobermint = Corrupt, inefficient & bloated

Trump = Typical politician (in action if not words)

Trump = NOT literally Hitler

The entire made-up *scandal* = Nothing Burger

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TU Curmudgeon said:
That isn't an unreasonable position - at least as a starting point.
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Actually, it is unreasonable.

The president stays where s/he stays.

Forcing an innkeeper to accept a potentially lesser rate = Uncool
 
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3leftsdoo said:
Most politicians = Corrupt criminals

Goobermint = Corrupt, inefficient & bloated

Trump = Typical politician (in action if not words)

Trump = NOT literally Hitler

The entire made-up *scandal* = Nothing Burger

:shrug:
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So apparently your perfectly comfortable with someone who is not quite yet 'literally Hitler". That's very comforting. Setting the bar high, huh? Substitute Trump" for "goobermint", as you call it, in the first line of your post and you just might have at least one true statement in that block of rather bizarre text.
 
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Taylor said:
Yes, there's certainly room to grow - but you have to agree that 39% is much, much better than the 24-25% that dominated the Obama admin.
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The Obama Admin started out in the Great Recession, which didnt turn around until 2 years in, and even then it takes time for people to see recovery going on. Some people swear that the economy didnt turn around until Trump was elected (a stupid position, but some people are idiots).

It doesnt change the fact that the President has little to do with the economy and its projection.

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3leftsdoo said:
Actually, it is unreasonable.

The president stays where s/he stays.

Forcing an innkeeper to accept a potentially lesser rate = Uncool
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First, most "innkeepers" aren't the President of the US who gets to choose their own rates and who is supposed to be doing what is best for the US not his own pockets. All government employees are supposed to be good stewards of the American taxpayers' money. Most expect the POTUS and even Congress should be the best stewards.

Second, most innkeepers choose to give government employees on orders or who are working a lower rate. That is what a government rate is about. Hell I had a hotel owner let me pay literally what I could (which was about $20 less than the roomrate) when I moved up to NY for training and wasnt getting paid for another couple of days. Many others will give discounts.

Third, the claim is that they are not just paying the normal rate for their rooms but being charged multiple times more.

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3leftsdoo said:
Actually, it is unreasonable.

The president stays where s/he stays.

Forcing an innkeeper to accept a potentially lesser rate = Uncool
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If the innkeeper doesn't like what the potential guest is willing to pay for the room, then the innkeeper doesn't have to rent the room to the potential guest.
 
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roguenuke said:
The Obama Admin started out in the Great Recession, which didnt turn around until 2 years in, and even then it takes time for people to see recovery going on.
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True.

roguenuke said:
Some people swear that the economy didnt turn around until Trump was elected (a stupid position, but some people are idiots).
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Also true - on both points.

roguenuke said:
It doesnt change the fact that the President has little to do with the economy and its projection.
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Now that doesn't quite line up with the reality that every President of the United States of America has been very careful to explain to the American people. That reality is:

  1. "If the economy is improving, then that is ALL because of what I am doing.";
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    and
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  2. "If the economy is NOT improving, then that is ALL because of either;
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    • what THE PREVIOUS PRESIDENT did,
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      or
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    • what the people are afraid THE NEXT PRESIDENT will do if you don't re-elect me.

Please keep those essential verities in mind.
 
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roguenuke said:
First, most "innkeepers" aren't the President of the US who gets to choose their own rates and who is supposed to be doing what is best for the US not his own pockets. All government employees are supposed to be good stewards of the American taxpayers' money. Most expect the POTUS and even Congress should be the best stewards.

Second, most innkeepers choose to give government employees on orders or who are working a lower rate. That is what a government rate is about. Hell I had a hotel owner let me pay literally what I could (which was about $20 less than the roomrate) when I moved up to NY for training and wasnt getting paid for another couple of days. Many others will give discounts.

Third, the claim is that they are not just paying the normal rate for their rooms but being charged multiple times more.

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Isn't it relevant that, even though "the innkeeper" said that they wanted several times more than anyone else who simply walked in off the street and wanted to rent the room would be charged, "the person who has the responsibility for administering the operation of the United States of America" reviewed that request and found it eminently reasonable?
 
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roguenuke said:
The Obama Admin started out in the Great Recession, which didnt turn around until 2 years in, and even then it takes time for people to see recovery going on.
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Obama's numbers were at their best when the economy was at its worst and then got worse as the economy improved. The "wrong direction" sentiment had more to do with his political agenda than the economy, Obamacare being a good part of it.
 
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Taylor said:
Obama's numbers were at their best when the economy was at its worst and then got worse as the economy improved. The "wrong direction" sentiment had more to do with his political agenda than the economy, Obamacare being a good part of it.
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Not true. You do know we have plenty of graphs to show the turn around and improvement under Obama, right?

Additionally the President has very little effect on the economy.

Both these are facts most economists agree with.

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roguenuke said:
Not true. You do know we have plenty of graphs to show the turn around and improvement under Obama, right?
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As I said before, people's opinions on whether they liked the direction the country was taking declined the longer Obama held office - so why are you asking for graphs showing that it improved?

roguenuke said:
Additionally the President has very little effect on the economy.
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Yes, exactly. Obama's policies (especially Obamacare) were to blame for why people increasingly believed the country was on the wrong track - not the economy. I don't know why you keep bringing the economy up.
 
HumblePi said:
[h=1]What President Trump’s company charges the Secret Service[/h]https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/politics/trump-secret-service-spending/

President Trump’s company charges the Secret Service for the rooms it uses while protecting Trump at his properties. The charges have been as high as $650 per night for a Mar-a-Lago Clubhotel room, or $17,000 a month for a cottage at Trump National Golf Club Bedminster.

Who pays these bills? U.S. taxpayers. That means Trump has a business arrangement with his own government. But the details of that relationship remain largely hidden.

The only glimpses of this spending have come out via Secret Service records, released after public records requests. But these documents are often cryptic, giving few details.

Since Trump took office, he has visited his own properties on 342 days. Secret Service agents come with him. And Trump’s company charges them.

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When Trump supporters proclaim "Trump has refused to accept any salary as President!", they believe that's something grand, it is not. Trump is making more than enough money off the U.S. taxpayer dime, he doesn't need the measly $400,000 a year salary, that's chickenfeed compared to the millions of dollars he's reaping off the taxpayer dime.
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These charges are called emoluments. Trump is a crook extraordinaire.
 
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Taylor said:
As I said before, people's opinions on whether they liked the direction the country was taking declined the longer Obama held office - so why are you asking for graphs showing that it improved?


Yes, exactly. Obama's policies (especially Obamacare) were to blame for why people increasingly believed the country was on the wrong track - not the economy. I don't know why you keep bringing the economy up.
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People become jaded. Their opinions do not trump facts.

Additionally, the country was recovering from a deep recession. While satisfaction ratings did vary, there was an incline to them over time after the economy turned back around. That is the main driving point for most when it comes to satisfaction.

Satisfaction With the United States | Gallup Historical Trends

Oh and let's not forget that Obamacare was thought up by a rightwing thinktank in the 90s. The main reasons many Republicans didnt like it (but could never admit to the public) was the public option, increased funding of Medicaid and Medicare, and making insurers cover preexisting conditions without a massive increase in cost.

And Obama maintained higher approval ratings for most of his time in office than Trump has (so far). And lower disapproval.

How Popular Is Donald Trump? | FiveThirtyEight

Obama was not the main reason for the lower levels of satisfaction of the direction of the country during that time, Congress, including the Republicans within, and polarization were the main reasons.



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roguenuke said:
People become jaded.
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After eight years of Obama, do you blame them? All that crap about "folks who can afford to pay a bit more" and yet the only people who benefited from the Obama revovery plan were the rich. :lamo

Obama admits 95% of income gains gone to top 1%

Then we have President "Did I Do That?" and his followers wondering why people are flocking to former fringe candidates like Trump and Sanders.

roguenuke said:
Additionally, the country was recovering from a deep recession. While satisfaction ratings did vary, there was an incline to them over time after the economy turned back around.
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No, there wasn't. Satisfaction went into the toilet. Obama's only high points were at the height of the recession and a short-lived bump when he was re-elected. The latter aside, support for the direction Obama wanted to take us can be likened to "the slow smokeless burning of decay."
 
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Taylor said:
After eight years of Obama, do you blame them? All that crap about "folks who can afford to pay a bit more" and yet the only people who benefited from the Obama revovery plan were the rich. :lamo

Obama admits 95% of income gains gone to top 1%

Then we have President "Did I Do That?" and his followers wondering why people are flocking to former fringe candidates like Trump and Sanders.


No, there wasn't. Satisfaction went into the toilet. Obama's only high points were at the height of the recession and a short-lived bump when he was re-elected. The latter aside, support for the direction Obama wanted to take us can be likened to "the slow smokeless burning of decay."
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Yes I blame them for being ignorant and in some cases simply racist. Obama was not that bad of a President.

I provided the info that shows that Obama had higher levels than Trump for his approval and the country saw lower levels of satisfaction for direction based on other reasons, which I posted.

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roguenuke said:
Yes I blame them for being ignorant and in some cases simply racist. Obama was not that bad of a President.

I provided the info that shows that Obama had higher levels than Trump for his approval and the country saw lower levels of satisfaction for direction based on other reasons, which I posted.

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People liked Obama the man. They didn't like the direction he was taking the country. That's not being "racist".

Most kids liked Michelle Obama, too, and probably appreciated that she was just trying to help as they dumped trayfuls of her food into the garbage. Same idea.
 
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Taylor said:
After eight years of Obama, do you blame them? All that crap about "folks who can afford to pay a bit more" and yet the only people who benefited from the Obama revovery plan were the rich. :lamo

Obama admits 95% of income gains gone to top 1%
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Courtesy of Dr. Saez:

During both recessions, the top 1 percent incomes fell sharply, by
30.8% from 2000 to 2002, and by 36.3% from 2007 to 2009. The primary
driver of the fall in top incomes during those recessions is the stock market
crash which reduces dramatically realized capital gains, and, especially in the
2000-2002 period, the value of executive stock-options. However, bottom 99
percent incomes fell by 11.6% from 2007 to 2009 while they fell only by 6.5
percent from 2000 to 2002. Therefore, the top 1 percent absorbed a larger
fraction of losses in the 2000-2002 recession (57%) than in the Great
recession (49%). The 11.6 percent fall in bottom 99 percent incomes is the
largest fall on record in any two year period since the Great Depression of
1929-1933.
From 2009 to 2012, average real income per family grew modestly by
6.0% (Table 1) but the gains were very uneven. Top 1% incomes grew by
31.4% while bottom 99% incomes grew only by 0.4%. Hence, the top 1%
captured 95% of the income gains in the first two years of the recovery


So the top 1% had a decline in income of 36% from 07-09 (Bush), and then regained 31.4% in 09-12 (Obama), due primarily to stock market gains, and you get to blame Obama?

Weird.

Hint: Wage/income losses from lost employment (99%ers) usually takes a lot longer to recover from....than just siting on stocks (1%ers).
 
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