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Treasury Department Turns Over Hunter Biden Financial Docs to Senate Republicans

MTAtech said:
It matters because the innuendo is enough to tarnish Joe Biden -- and it's working. It reminds me of when Nixon targeted Ed Muskie, who was the leading Dem candidate to beat Nixon in 1972. It succeeded and George McGovern ended up being the candidate who lost in a landslide. Fast forward to now, Trump is successfully smearing Biden and we'll end up with Bernie Sanders, who Trump will paint as a socialist who will raise your taxes.
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Lutherf said:
That "innuendo" was in the press long before Trump came on the scene and, as testified to by some of Schiff's hand picked witnesses, it was also a concern for the Obama administration.
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Guiliani has been in the media since 2018 talking about Biden's $1billion loan guarantee speech. Media didnt want to report it except Fox News.


DOJ was busy dealing with Mueller and his case and how could Trump bring it up with the FBI and DOJ when he was unsure if they were actually willing to support and do investigations.

IS opposition research by a private lawyer illegal? Guiliani is a private lawyer, as long as Guiliani is NOT affecting foreign policy he can be in Ukraine all he wants researching the Bursima and Hunter Bidens' back ground..... Fusion GPS/Steel Dossier sound familiar.


Joe Biden Tarnished his self, when he went on national TV to brag about firing a prosecutor in respect to loan guarantees. Joe Biden Tarnished himself when is son was Hired to a Ukraine Gas company with seemingly limited relevance outside of having the last name Biden DURING his tenure as VP and when he was Tasked to over See Ukraine.


Iowa caucus has spoken, the people have questions. We investigated Trump for 22 months and spent $30million dollars...... yet we wont even look into it and "debunk it" I hear it on CNN its been debunked? Debunked by WHO, what investigation was initiated to debunk the claims of impropriety?
 
Exactice said:
I never ONCE said in my statement that Hilary was guilty of ANYTHING. Because she is innocent until proven guilty. THATS FACT. The point is its the prosecutors job to bring the case to court. WHICH they refused to do.

Dont twist or manipulate needlessly.


As for Impeachment, again a twisted logic, so because 1 Republican Senator says the house proved their case, YET the protocol is 2/3rds vote which FAILED you are justified. I can contexual twist it and say, Impeachment should be BI-Partisan which Pelosi championed and 2 Democrats Voted against it. MEANING it was NEVER bi-partisan. Lets not play the word game stick to the facts.


did I FACTUALLY claim guilt on HRC? Yes or no

Did HRC ever have a judgement rendered guilty or NOT guilty yes or no.

Was she conclusively found not guilty of any crimes yes or no.

DID she have an unverified server yes or no?

Was Classified documents transmitted on that classified server yes or no?

Was subpoenaed documents request and destroyed after the subpoena yes or no?


There is no guilt of a crime but potential crimes were likely committed that could have potentially required litigation.
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Did Trump solicit a foreign power for help in his election? Yes. Did Trump withhold vital military aid from and ally that is at war with our main adversary? Yes. And there was more than one Republican Senator who stated the the House proved their case. Trump was not removed because of partisanship but the fact that even one Republicans voted guilty is historic in itself.
 
Exactice said:
Guiliani has been in the media since 2018 talking about Biden's $1billion loan guarantee speech. Media didnt want to report it except Fox News.
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Well of course, Fox Trump TV was the only one. It's public knowledge that the billion dollar loan hold up Biden spoke about was U.S. government policy and that it's Guilliani, et al, were attempting to make something ordinary appear unseemly. That's what they do.

On Sept. 24, 2015, Geoffrey Pyatt, then the American ambassador to Ukraine, spoke in Odessa about the scourge of corruption. It was about a year and a half after what is sometimes called the Revolution of Dignity, when Ukrainians overthrew the kleptocratic, Russian-aligned regime of Viktor Yanukovych. The country was trying to move in a more liberal, European direction. Corruption, said Pyatt, threatened to hold the new Ukraine back.
Pyatt called out the office of Viktor Shokin, then the prosecutor general of Ukraine. “Corrupt actors within the prosecutor general’s office are making things worse by openly and aggressively undermining reform,” he said. Pyatt specifically lambasted Shokin’s office for subverting a British case against a man named Mykola Zlochevsky, Yanukovych’s former ecology minister.
In 2014, as part of a money-laundering investigation, British authorities froze $23 million Zlochevsky had in London. They requested supporting documentation from Shokin’s office. Instead, it intervened on Zlochevsky’s behalf. “As a result the money was freed by the U.K. court and shortly thereafter the money was moved to Cyprus,” said Pyatt.
“Shokin was seen as a single point of failure clogging up the system and blocking corruption cases,” a former official in Barack Obama’s administration told me. Vice President Joe Biden eventually took the lead in calling for Shokin’s ouster.

As all this was happening, Biden’s son, Hunter, sat on the board of Burisma Holdings, a natural gas company that Zlochevsky co-founded, at some points earning $50,000 a month. Zlochevsky might have thought he could ingratiate himself with the Obama administration by buying an association with the vice president. All available evidence suggests he was wrong.


[h=1]Trump’s Claims About Biden Aren’t ‘Unsupported.’ They’re Lies.[/h]
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tres borrachos said:
Well, now everyone knows you're lying because even the most dishonest of Trump supporters who was posting here when I joined in 2012 will admit I was a rabid Republican right up until the 2016 General Election, and anyone who wasn't here can search my posts from 2012 through 2016 to see you're lying. But hey, it's your choice to make stupid posts like this.

So what input did he have, and demonstrate the end result of the input. With facts and data, please. Not what Hannity says.
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Lying blah blah. You are only vocal of support for progressive ideas and politicians and only critical of conservative ideas and politicians.

Unless the people involved were all imbeciles, its not the kind of thing you are going to see on a graph, that's why its usually labeled as corruption. But you knew that before you made your bull**** challenge didn't you?
 
What should turn everyone's stomach is that the House demanded Trump's tax records, which the law gives them absolute authority to do. The Treasury Department refused and is holding the matter up in court. Now, the Senate asks for Hunter Biden's records and the same Treasury Department hands them over with no fuss.

Trump is an elected official who is subject to oversight. Hunter Biden is a private citizen subject to no government oversight.

This smells. It's clearly using governmental power to target Trump's enemies. This is worse than Nixon.

“When you strike at a king, you must kill him.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson

Trump thinks he's a king.
 
iguanaman said:
In Trumps mind he is responsible for Biden's drop in the polls and now it looks like he is going to get the opponent he has always wanted....Bernie Sanders. He will wipe the floor with poor old Bernie. Putin has a bunch of dirt on him that he can't wait to release.
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I don't think he'll "wipe the floor" with either Bernie or Pete. Both are moderates that will appeal to the people who would have voted for the Democratic candidate had it not been HRC. Independents will be the deciding factor in this election and the majority will crawl over broken glass not to have to vote for trump.
 
iguanaman said:
Did Trump solicit a foreign power for help in his election? Yes. Did Trump withhold vital military aid from and ally that is at war with our main adversary? Yes. And there was more than one Republican Senator who stated the the House proved their case. Trump was not removed because of partisanship but the fact that even one Republicans voted guilty is historic in itself.
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1) Did trump Solicit a foreign power? I will say yes, By terms and actions of a documented phone call yes.
1a) With the intent to help his elections, that is opinion, there are currently no facts to substantiate that specificity. Only Opinions and accusations. More so no proof of a "Scheme", this is all opinions with no underlying facts.

2) Did Trump withhold Vital military aid? What is Vital to you? the aid was approved back in 2018 when congress appropriated. So from August of 2018 to Sept 11, 2019 it was "vital" that means he should have been potentially impeached September of 2018 since it was delayed that long. The Aid belongs to the US, belongs to the Tax payers. If the POTUS suspects something and wants to delay the funds in respect to due diligence. I am ok with it. He does NOT have the right to delay beyond the appropriations time which was 09/30/2019 which is the end of the fiscal year, he would THEN be in violations.


3) More than one Republican senator said that, yes, BUT the Rules of the constitution states 2/3rds house to remove a sitting president. That is in the constitution. Now you stated proved their case. Well it seems not so as 2/3rds did NOT vote in favor to remove a president. You can say "Partisanship" but I wonder if you recall the house and their impeachment?

Article 1
Democrats - 229 Yae, 2 nay, 1 present, 1 not voting
Republicans - 0 Yae, 195 Nay, 0 present, 2 not voting

Article 2
Democrats - 228 Yae, 3 nay, 1 present, 1 not voting
Republicans - 0 Yae, 195 Nay, 0 present, 2 not voting


more democrats voted against the articles of impeachment than republicans voted to remove him from office. whats your point? Because again my point is by constitution 2/3rds Senate is required to remove a POTUS, but simple majority is needed for impeachment in the house.

historic or not, it did not reach the required 2/3rds vote. period.
 
Captain Adverse said:
As well he should be IMHO.

The NSC membership serves at the pleasure of the President. If the sitting President has a problem with any member, he can have that member removed and replaced.

Their job is to offer "advice," not dictate policy.

In the famous words of Harry Truman, "the buck stops" with the President. Once the President has made a decision, then his advisors need to stop stonewalling and start getting with the program...or they can resign. :shrug:
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Really? You’re quoting Truman’s “buck stops” comment and applying it to Trump? Didn’t you get the memo? Trump is not responsible for anything negative that occurs. He’s the Buck-Passer-In-Chief. Ask the Kurds, the woman who accuse him of assault, etc.
 
MTAtech said:
Well of course, Fox Trump TV was the only one. It's public knowledge that the billion dollar loan hold up Biden spoke about was U.S. government policy and that it's Guilliani, et al, were attempting to make something ordinary appear unseemly. That's what they do.
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So a simple investigation would have "easily" debunked it no? So it was US policy that Biden had authorization to leverage the $1billion loan guarantees to have the Prosecutor fired.


It still does not answer the question that are too coincidental.

1) 2014 Hunter Biden hired to Burisma board (not illegal)
2) 2014-2019 Hunter Biden was paid millions from Burisma (not illegal but odd)
3) During his Tenure has no direct relevance to his qualifications as a board member ( not illegal but odd)
4) 2014 Joe Biden the VPOTUS is assigned to over see Ukraine, coincidentally before his son was named to Burisma
5) FOIA releases show Lobbying from Burisma lawyers to the State Department referencing the bidens. more emails are trying to be released to find if there was any leverage of power by either the VP office (Joe Biden) OR the State Department in which John Kerry was the Secretary of State at the time and his Step son was ALSO a board member of Bursima. Odd that 2 of the most influential people to Ukraine (Kerry & Biden) Both had son's on the board of directors?


So whom investigated this back in 2014-Current date, to debunk NO Pay for play or State Department access was abused? What investigation conclusion was released? please reference! Thanks!
 
MTAtech said:
What should turn everyone's stomach is that the House demanded Trump's tax records, which the law gives them absolute authority to do. The Treasury Department refused and is holding the matter up in court. Now, the Senate asks for Hunter Biden's records and the same Treasury Department hands them over with no fuss.

Trump is an elected official who is subject to oversight. Hunter Biden is a private citizen subject to no government oversight.

This smells. It's clearly using governmental power to target Trump's enemies. This is worse than Nixon.

“When you strike at a king, you must kill him.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson

Trump thinks he's a king.
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Lets try that again... Per the article, the approval of the turn over is relevant to;

"obtained the sensitive financial records as part of their continuing investigation into former vice president Joe Biden’s son’s possible conflicts of interest involving his lucrative position on the board of Ukrainian energy company Burisma Holdings."

There is a potential crime in regards to his financials.


As of 2016 to current POTUS and VPOTUS are under constant Audit as required by the IRS. The Government has their taxes.

Secondly What crime is Trump accused of that WARRANTS. the House/Senate access to his Tax records What justifications does the house have to File to allow access? Please site something as I have sited above thanks!
 
Exactice said:
EXCELLENT! Point.....

So is it pretty hard to fathom that the Biden's were NOT the primary reason for the delay of the AID? Is it possible that it was surely a facet of it, but there was priority concerns of burden sharing and corruption of how the money would be used if given.

The case has been PURELY focused and accused that the ONE and ONLY reason was that it was to Pursue Biden. Giuliani has been on this since 2018 and publicly. YES You are RIGHT, Trump did NOT need to hold the AID just to investigate the Bidens. And the likely hood that it was the exclusive reason is probably unlikely as well. This was HIGHLY overblown and HIGHLY political to place that as the pure focal point.


Let me say this, FUNNY regardless if this was a political tactic Binden has DROPPED significantly in the race. Because people have MORE questions and concerns about his conduct that raises eyebrows. True or False? The people responded with the IOWA caucus.....is a presidential nominee immune to prosectution? Absolutely not and remember Trump was investigated both as a nominee and as the POTUS.
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There is no doubt that it was the only reason. Unless, of course, you count the fact that witholding $400 million in military aid to Ukraine past the end of the fiscal year, when the appropriation would expire would delight Vladimir Putin. And the only reason that did not happen was because Trump got caught.

The whole idea that Trump, or anyone in this floating con game that is the Trump White House gave a tinker’s damn about corruption is laughable. (Well, except as a business opportunity, just ask Rick Perry).

I’m not sure why you think its “funny” that Biden’s support has weakened. That was the entire intent of this whole exercise!

Trump had first held up a possible state visit for the incoming Ukranian president. Then, when his bag men returned empty handed, he cooked up the scheme to sit on the aid. He started on it the day after he leaned he wasn’t going to be impeached over the Mueller report.

And remember that Trump only wanted an announcement. The investigation itself did not matter. He just wanted to wave the bloody shirt.

So, since that scheme didn’t pan out, he’s getting McConnell to have Grassley do a show investigation.

Joe DeGenova and Victoria Toensing (still on the bag man payroll), will handle the made up lies planted in right wing media. They don’t have Congress, so it’s harder for Meadows and Kennedy to do their clown acts.

But the talk radio will flog it every day.
 
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Exactice said:
Lets try that again... Per the article, the approval of the turn over is relevant to;

"obtained the sensitive financial records as part of their continuing investigation into former vice president Joe Biden’s son’s possible conflicts of interest involving his lucrative position on the board of Ukrainian energy company Burisma Holdings."

There is a potential crime in regards to his financials.


As of 2016 to current POTUS and VPOTUS are under constant Audit as required by the IRS. The Government has their taxes.

Secondly What crime is Trump accused of that WARRANTS. the House/Senate access to his Tax records What justifications does the house have to File to allow access? Please site something as I have sited above thanks!
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It is relevant only because the GOP has been trying to do a Benghazi on Biden for over a year.

First, it was right wing pay to bray John Soloman, who was being fed BS by Lev Parnas (who works for the fugitive Dimitri Firtash), and various ex Ukranians tied to the ex pro Puting government.

There is no evidence of any wrongdoing or conflict of interest.

Like Benghazi, the GOP strategy is clear from the outset. Manufacture a fake scandal, plant it in right wing trash media, flog it, and stage phony investigations.

We’ve seen this play.
 
TomFitz said:
There is no doubt that it was the only reason. Unless, of course, you count the fact that witholding $400 million in military aid to Ukraine past the end of the fiscal year, when the appropriation would expire would delight Vladimir Putin. And the only reason that did not happen was because Trump got caught.

The whole idea that Trump, or anyone in this floating con game that is the Trump White House gave a tinker’s damn about corruption is laughable. (Well, except as a business opportunity, just ask Rick Perry).

I’m not sure why you think its “funny” that Biden’s support has weakened. That was the entire intent of this whole exercise!

Trump had first held up a possible state visit for the incoming Ukranian president. Then, when his bag men returned empty handed, he cooked up the scheme to sit on the aid. He started on it the day after he leaned he wasn’t going to be impeached over the Mueller report.

And remember that Trump only wanted an announcement. The investigation itself did not matter. He just wanted to wave the bloody shirt.

So, since that scheme didn’t pan out, he’s getting McConnell to have Grassley do a show investigation.

Joe DeGenova and Victoria Toensing (still on the bag man payroll), will handle the made up lies planted in right wing media. They don’t have Congress, so it’s harder for Meadows and Kennedy to do their clown acts.

But the talk radio will flog it every day.
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Did he violate a law in specific regards to the delay in the funds, it was released 09/11/2019 prior to the fiscal date of 09/30/2019. Any reason to suspect Putin was involved is either opinion or hyperbole, if not please provide facts.

Trump floating a con game? The burden of proof is on the accusations. Trump has questioned foreign aid for a while, to include NATO, other friendly nations and Puerto Rico and El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras. Nations riddle with corruption. So there is past precedence. Acting like he never has done this before is intellectually dishonest.


Trump holding up a possible state visit is tied to what? or is this your opinion of why it might have been. Bag man, cooked up scheme, please provide ANY testimony of anyone that actually has facts in relation to an ACTUAL scheme not just an opinion.

Announcement.... yes lets go back to the specific, Announcement of WHAT? Quote it.... as I recall the quote as "Public statement of Anti-Corruption" by Ukraine. Please provide FACTS where it was a public announcement of investigations into the Biden's. NOT opinions by those giving testimony, but FACT. The Fact was "Public Statement of Anti-Corruption"


the rest of your statements are fodder to incite a reaction I will do my best to stick to facts and not dive in the mud.


Thank you!
 
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TomFitz said:
It is relevant only because the GOP has been trying to do a Benghazi on Biden for over a year.

First, it was right wing pay to bray John Soloman, who was being fed BS by Lev Parnas (who works for the fugitive Dimitri Firtash), and various ex Ukranians tied to the ex pro Puting government.

There is no evidence of any wrongdoing or conflict of interest.

Like Benghazi, the GOP strategy is clear from the outset. Manufacture a fake scandal, plant it in right wing trash media, flog it, and stage phony investigations.

We’ve seen this play.
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Well actually....I think you are missing a couple of items.


1) Benghazi was initiated BECAUSE, 4 great Americans DIED, tragically. To include the HIGHEST ranking official in Bengahzi at the time. THATS what started it all. If you want to stand on the graves to say the republicans only did it as a political show is disgusting. 4 great American's died and people wanted answer why.

2) HRC "got caught" in when here server popped up.... NOT the republicans fault to start the which hunt.


As for No evidence, well great point, so what evidence did the FBI have to initiate a counter intelligence investigation against Trump? What was the catalyst now? I surely was not the Steel dossier right?


Like Benghazi, manufacture a fake scandal??? 4 Americans died. the US Ambo died the highest ranking individual in Libya. What was fake about that. The person in charge of the Ambassadors was HRC. She is the top down and responsible for her people. It was unfortunate I do NOT blame HRC for their deaths specifically but the Benghazi investigations were to provide answer. HRC dug her own grave with the improper server. Thats not a GOP "fake" scandal that HAPPENED.

So when did Trump collude, coordinate and work with Putin? OH yeah fake scandal as that NEVER happened....
 
HumblePi said:
[h=1]Treasury Department Turns Over Hunter Biden Financial Docs to Senate Republicans[/h]Hunter Biden & Ukraine -- Treasury Department Grants Request from Senate Republicans | National Review

The Treasury Department has granted a request from Senate Republicans for financial documents related to Hunter Biden’s relationship with a Ukrainian gas company, according to Senator Ron Wyden, the ranking Democrat on the Finance Committee, who criticized the move.

Senator Chuck Grassley, chair of the Finance Committee, and Senator Ron Johnson, chair of Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, obtained the sensitive financial records as part of their continuing investigation into former vice president Joe Biden’s son’s possible conflicts of interest involving his lucrative position on the board of Ukrainian energy company Burisma Holdings.

“Applying a blatant double standard, Trump administration agencies like the Treasury Department are rapidly complying with Senate Republican requests — no subpoenas necessary — and producing ‘evidence’ of questionable origin,” said a spokeswoman for Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon, the top Democrat on the Finance Committee. “The administration told House Democrats to go pound sand when their oversight authority was mandatory while voluntarily cooperating with the Senate Republicans’ sideshow at lightning speed.”

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I thought that getting revenge on his enemies would take at least a month, but no. Almost immediately after his acquittal, senate republican requested (not subpoenaed) financial records on Hunter Biden. The Treasury Dept. handed them over to Chuck Grassley and Ron Johnson without hesitation. It took democrats several request and subpoenas to get financial documents from the Dept. of Treasury and all requests were denied and subpoenas blankly defied.

Hunter Biden is just the first. Expect a whole bunch of Trump's enemies to be chased and prosecuted. People like James Comey, Nancy Pelosi, Mitt Romney, Adam Schiff, Jerry Nadler. Just for fun, let's extrapolate this witch hunt beyond political enemies. The New York Times for example, CNN or maybe even Jeff Bezos. This is just the beginning of a brand new country and not a democratic one.
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Why is purpose an investigation he has called for for months "revenge"? Is Hunter Biden running for President, too? You're probably correct about most of those others as well; they've been implicated in questionable, if not criminal behavior. You forgot Brennan, and Clapper. Oh, and the Clintons are probably on the list too.
 
So much QAnon craziness is about to make it into the national archives. There will be museums to this in 30 years.



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dcsports said:
What are they hoping to find out? According to the article, more information about Biden's relationship. Likely it's a routine step. Since they are asking for his travel records too, they might be looking into whether he cashed his paycheck without actually spending time at the company.

As far as the justification in that article, I'd take it with a grain of salt. It would be silly to think they hired him because of who his father was, and didn't expect to get some type of favorable treatment as a result. It was a clear conflict of interest. Also laughable is that they were supposedly leveraging him for 'American' knowledge of oil and drilling... when he doesn't have a background in that. They could have just hired someone with that knowledge, or used google themselves.
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I had a feeling you'd dismiss the article. It's reasoning is flawless, and the ex-president of Poland is credible. All you have is what you think would be silly. I'll trust the Polish pres. It would be silly to trust you.
 
Exactice said:
1) Did trump Solicit a foreign power? I will say yes, By terms and actions of a documented phone call yes.
1a) With the intent to help his elections, that is opinion, there are currently no facts to substantiate that specificity. Only Opinions and accusations. More so no proof of a "Scheme", this is all opinions with no underlying facts.

2) Did Trump withhold Vital military aid? What is Vital to you? the aid was approved back in 2018 when congress appropriated. So from August of 2018 to Sept 11, 2019 it was "vital" that means he should have been potentially impeached September of 2018 since it was delayed that long. The Aid belongs to the US, belongs to the Tax payers. If the POTUS suspects something and wants to delay the funds in respect to due diligence. I am ok with it. He does NOT have the right to delay beyond the appropriations time which was 09/30/2019 which is the end of the fiscal year, he would THEN be in violations.


3) More than one Republican senator said that, yes, BUT the Rules of the constitution states 2/3rds house to remove a sitting president. That is in the constitution. Now you stated proved their case. Well it seems not so as 2/3rds did NOT vote in favor to remove a president. You can say "Partisanship" but I wonder if you recall the house and their impeachment?

Article 1
Democrats - 229 Yae, 2 nay, 1 present, 1 not voting
Republicans - 0 Yae, 195 Nay, 0 present, 2 not voting

Article 2
Democrats - 228 Yae, 3 nay, 1 present, 1 not voting
Republicans - 0 Yae, 195 Nay, 0 present, 2 not voting


more democrats voted against the articles of impeachment than republicans voted to remove him from office. whats your point? Because again my point is by constitution 2/3rds Senate is required to remove a POTUS, but simple majority is needed for impeachment in the house.

historic or not, it did not reach the required 2/3rds vote. period.
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Regarding 1a, and considering recent talk about what is and isn't an official document, how bat-**** amazing that tens of millions of birth certificates were issued in this country yesterday.
 
Funny how they denied turning over trump's info. Even though the law clearly uses the word 'shall'. Trump's response. **** you.
 
bongsaway said:
Funny how they denied turning over trump's info. Even though the law clearly uses the word 'shall'. Trump's response. **** you.
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If only there was some 3rd, independent, branch of government that could be called upon to settle disputes between the other two...

Wouldn't that be something?
 
Exactice said:
Well actually....I think you are missing a couple of items.


1) Benghazi was initiated BECAUSE, 4 great Americans DIED, tragically. To include the HIGHEST ranking official in Bengahzi at the time. THATS what started it all. If you want to stand on the graves to say the republicans only did it as a political show is disgusting. 4 great American's died and people wanted answer why.

2) HRC "got caught" in when here server popped up.... NOT the republicans fault to start the which hunt.


As for No evidence, well great point, so what evidence did the FBI have to initiate a counter intelligence investigation against Trump? What was the catalyst now? I surely was not the Steel dossier right?


Like Benghazi, manufacture a fake scandal??? 4 Americans died. the US Ambo died the highest ranking individual in Libya. What was fake about that. The person in charge of the Ambassadors was HRC. She is the top down and responsible for her people. It was unfortunate I do NOT blame HRC for their deaths specifically but the Benghazi investigations were to provide answer. HRC dug her own grave with the improper server. Thats not a GOP "fake" scandal that HAPPENED.

So when did Trump collude, coordinate and work with Putin? OH yeah fake scandal as that NEVER happened....
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You would have a point, if there were one, or two investigations. But there were ten. Daryl Issa played ringmaster, as circus after circus rehashed the same ground, over and over again. Victoria Toensing and DeGenova where the advance team, making up sensational allegations for the Fox audience on the Sunday before Issa had “blockbuster whistleblowers” lined up.

And, of course, the matter vanished entirely the day after the election. Stowed away in the vault of right wing bloody shirts and code words.

Hillary Clinton tried to hide correspondence by using a personal server. Why? I suspect because she, like everyone else at the time, were well aware of the headlines when Henry Waxman’s committee discovered that much of the Bush White House’s communications were being funneled through RNC servers, skirting the Presidential Records Act.

Her approach wasn’t any better than Karl Rove’s was.

Or for that matter, Donald Trump. It is no secret that the Trump team is conducting business through third party means, also circumventing official channels.

We are all aware of what evidence the FBI had, and why they initiated their investigation.

Trump was diddling with Russian intelligence officials throughout his campaign. Or more accurately, the Russians were diddling him. They kept Micheal Cohen running back and forth in the vein hope of a Trump Tower Moscow deal all throughout the campaign. Trump, of course, would bellow the lie that he had no deals in Russia to his drooling mob at the same time.

There are two hundred pages of very well documented, attested, and unchallenged facts in the Mueller Report that give a pretty good outline of how the Trump campaign and the Russians coordinated their activities. And that was before the Roger Stone trial confirmed that he was one of the ringleaders and the chief cut out to Wikileaks.

I have little doubt that the Hunter Biden meme is a Russian product as well. Putin has little trouble diddling Trump. He is clearly the superior partner in that relationship.
 
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j brown's body said:
Your utter disregard for the facts isn't a crime, but it makes it impossible to take your remarks seriously.
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Did you want to dispute any of the facts of mine you quoted and responded to?...…. I didn't think so.
 
dcsports said:
I don't need it at all. Why do you keep bringing it up?
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Then what evidence is there that Hunter Biden was involved on any crime?

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Lutherf said:
That "innuendo" was in the press long before Trump came on the scene and, as testified to by some of Schiff's hand picked witnesses, it was also a concern for the Obama administration.
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Being concerned about a conflict of interest is not evidence that anyone actually committed a crime related to that conflict of interest.

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