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Total nonfarm payroll employment rose by 225,000 in January

W_Heisenberg said:
And just think if you guys had a non-corrupt Republican President he'd actually have a chance of winning a second term off news like this!
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Corruption is in your mind, not in reality. Trump has broken no laws and what really excites me is the fact that he is winning and destroying the ideology of people like you. It really bothers you to see results like these doesn't it? you simply cannot celebrate the successes being generated FOR the American people. Nothing Trump supposedly has done rises to the high crime and misdemeanor level nor does it resonate with the majority, only radicals who see their ideology being destroyed
 
tres borrachos said:
Thanks Obama!

Funny, I never cared for the man. Didn't vote for him twice. But since Trump has gotten into office, I know now what a great President he was and what a wonderful steward of the country's economy. And I forgive Trump for only screwing it up a little bit.
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Yes of course you know what a great President he was because you read what the left tells you. Results don't matter, the Obama corruption doesn't matter, the foreign policy disasters don't matter because to you perception is reality and you have no place in that mind of yours for actual results

Steward of the American economy? ROFLMAO. he lost the House in 10-12-14-16, the Senate in 14-16, got 4 million fewer votes in 2012 than he got when he was elected, the first President in history to have those results, Implemented a healthcare program that was a disaster, and generated the worst recovery from a recession in history. People like you should be ashamed of yourself
 
Conservative said:
Yes of course you know what a great President he was because you read what the left tells you. Results don't matter, the Obama corruption doesn't matter, the foreign policy disasters don't matter because to you perception is reality and you have no place in that mind of yours for actual results
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I only have what the BLS tells me to base that on. Your thread was based on the January 2020 report, and I shared with everyone the same report from 3 years ago so they can compare. Thanks Obama! I'm glad Trump opened my eyes to what a good President you were.
 
chuckiechan said:
Missing during Obama was the “can do” attitude of businesses. Obama let businesses be tied down by hundreds of petty regulations cooked up by the straw banning lobby to the point where only the biggest businesses had the staff manage the new regs. Obama fumbled the “recovery” and relied on deficit spending other than taxable earnings to support the economy.
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Straw banning lobby? You understand the stupidity of using a piece of plastic that will last hundreds of years one time, don't you? Times that by the 300 million used daily.
 
tres borrachos said:
I only have what the BLS tells me to base that on. Your thread was based on the January 2020 report, and I shared with everyone the same report from 3 years ago so they can compare. Thanks Obama! I'm glad Trump opened my eyes to what a good President you were.
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I use the same report, you cherry pick data, Obama was in office 8 years not three and regardless of what you want to believe only 6 million new taxpayers were created during the previous 9 years before 2017 which is when the recession began. You can spin the last three years employment numbers but you cannot change reality. 6 million new taxpayers created in 9 years is a fiscal disaster. thank you Obama for giving us Trump
 
Conservative said:
I use the same report, you cherry pick data, Obama was in office 8 years not three and regardless of what you want to believe only 6 million new taxpayers were created during the previous 9 years before 2017 which is when the recession began. You can spin the last three years employment numbers but you cannot change reality. 6 million new taxpayers created in 9 years is a fiscal disaster. thank you Obama for giving us Trump
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I didn't cherry pick anything. The numbers are both at the beginning of the report. Thanks Obama for setting this wonderful, always great country (I mean, to real Americans who never stopped believing it was great, unlike Trump supporters) on the path to success! And thanks Trump for not screwing up the Obama trend and greatness by more than a couple of thousand jobs each month!
 
Conservative said:
Employment Situation Summary



The Trump economy continues to grow thanks to pro growth economic policies that provided incentive for companies to hire and invest in our country.
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Hmm. Obama added more jobs in his last 3 years than Trump has in his first three years. If you are attributing everything to his policies you'd be saying he has slowed the economy down.
 
tres borrachos said:
I didn't cherry pick anything. The numbers are both at the beginning of the report. Thanks Obama for setting this wonderful, always great country (I mean, to real Americans who never stopped believing it was great, unlike Trump supporters) on the path to success! And thanks Trump for not screwing up the Obama trend and greatness by more than a couple of thousand jobs each month!
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So this is the wonderful economy Obama set up for Trump?? Oh, my and you vote??

Then there is this which Trump inherited and the comparison today. Anyone that claims the GDP growth now is similar to what Obama had is the true hack and totally has no credibility

Unemployment Rate 4.7% January 2017 vs. 3.5% today

Employed 152.2 million January 2017 to 158.8 million today so 6 million job growth from 2008 to 2017(146 million to 152 million) is celebrated but 6.6 million growth I the last two years isn't!! LOL

U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 6.7% today? Wow!! 2.6% better U-6 obviously meaningless to you

Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.3 million today? Looks to me that incredible job growth you claim was boosted by part time jobs

African American unemployment 8.0% vs. 5.9% today? That explains the surge in support from African Americans for Trump
 
roughdraft274 said:
Hmm. Obama added more jobs in his last 3 years than Trump has in his first three years. If you are attributing everything to his policies you'd be saying he has slowed the economy down.
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What matters is that from April 2008 to January 2017 6 million jobs were created, new taxpayers and almost 6.7 million in the last three years. Your loyalty to Obama doesn't do your credibility any good

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value

Series Id: LNS12000000
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Employment Level
Labor force status: Employed
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 16 years and over
Years: 2008 to 2019

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2008 146378 146156 146086 146132 145908 145737 145532 145203 145076 144802 144100 143369
2009 142152 141640 140707 140656 140248 140009 139901 139492 138818 138432 138659 138013
2010 138438 138581 138751 139297 139241 139141 139179 139438 139396 139119 139044 139301
2011 139250 139394 139639 139586 139624 139384 139524 139942 140183 140368 140826 140902
2012 141584 141858 142036 141899 142206 142391 142292 142291 143044 143431 143333 143330
2013 143292 143362 143316 143635 143882 143999 144264 144326 144418 143537 144479 144778
2014 145150 145134 145648 145667 145825 146247 146399 146530 146778 147427 147404 147615
2015 148150 148053 148122 148491 148802 148765 148815 149175 148853 149270 149506 150164
2016 150622 150934 151146 150963 151074 151104 151450 151766 151877 151949 152150 152276
2017 152128 152417 152958 153150 152920 153176 153456 153591 154399 153847 153945 154065
2018 154482 155213 155160 155216 155539 155592 155964 155604 156069 156582 156803 156945
2019 156694 156949 156748 156645 156758 157005 157288 157878 158269 158510 158593 158803
2020 157700
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Conservative said:
So this is the wonderful economy Obama set up for Trump?? Oh, my and you vote??

Then there is this which Trump inherited and the comparison today. Anyone that claims the GDP growth now is similar to what Obama had is the true hack and totally has no credibility

Unemployment Rate 4.7% January 2017 vs. 3.5% today

Employed 152.2 million January 2017 to 158.8 million today so 6 million job growth from 2008 to 2017(146 million to 152 million) is celebrated but 6.6 million growth I the last two years isn't!! LOL

U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 6.7% today? Wow!! 2.6% better U-6 obviously meaningless to you

Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.3 million today? Looks to me that incredible job growth you claim was boosted by part time jobs

African American unemployment 8.0% vs. 5.9% today? That explains the surge in support from African Americans for Trump
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Thanks Obama! I wish I had the chance to post that when he was President. He obviously earned it. 227,000 non-farm payroll jobs added in his last month. That is obviously amazing!
 
tres borrachos said:
Thanks Obama! I wish I had the chance to post that when he was President. He obviously earned it. 227,000 non-farm payroll jobs added in his last month. That is obviously amazing!
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If you had maybe you would have changed a few other liberal minds because he lost the House in 10-12-14-16, the Senate in 14-16 and got 4 million fewer votes in 2012 vs 2008. The American majority apparently didn't recognize the successes you claim he had
 
Conservative said:
What matters is that from April 2008 to January 2017 6 million jobs were created, new taxpayers and almost 6.7 million in the last three years. Your loyalty to Obama doesn't do your credibility any good
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Obama wasn't even president in April 2008 :lamo

Go ahead and tell me some more about how you only care about the facts. I'd love to hear more. :mrgreen:
 
W_Heisenberg said:
And just think if you guys had a non-corrupt Republican President he'd actually have a chance of winning a second term off news like this!
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That's a fair point.
 
Conservative said:
If you had maybe you would have changed a few other liberal minds because he lost the House in 10-12-14-16, the Senate in 14-16 and got 4 million fewer votes in 2012 vs 2008. The American majority apparently didn't recognize the successes you claim he had
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Wow, he lost the House? Like Trump did last year you mean! Thanks for the reminder. Trump lost the House for the Republicans. He's even worse than I thought.
 
Yish! Another Obama-Trump economy debate thread!

We've got Trump supporters (& Trump himself) hyperbolicly praising the economy as the "greatest ever", and non-supporters pointing-out the economic trends have basically remained the same under Trump as under Obama.

It's gets redundant every month, but I must admit I do side with the general factuality presented by the non-supporters.

But outside of political debate, I've been happy with the economy in my private life for most of the last decade - as it's been working well for me. Low inflation, low interest rates, 2% growth, and steady (even if moderate) job growth, are all perfectly fine with me and even to be desired (in my opinion).

I am not happy with the stress, uncertainly, and anxiety, that occurs under Trump for essentially the same economic results as under "no drama Obama". Nor am I happy with the soaring deficit. And I'm not happy to see the manufacturing slump either, which I attribute to Trump's trade-war & tariffs. These are negative features of the Trump administration that did not occur under Obama. So I do believe we were better-off under Obama in general terms, even if the two economies are very similar.
 
tres borrachos said:
Wow, he lost the House? Like Trump did last year you mean! Thanks for the reminder. Trump lost the House for the Republicans. He's even worse than I thought.
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Yep, just like Trump did in 18, if he loses the house in 20-22-24 then you will have a point. What really escapes you with regard to 2018 is the GOP Senate growth plus the fact that Republicans won over 60 seats more in 2010 vs the 30+ seats Democrats won in 18.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Obama wasn't even president in April 2008 :lamo

Go ahead and tell me some more about how you only care about the facts. I'd love to hear more. :mrgreen:
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Yeah, amazing stuff. All his "facts" are pretty much of the same vein.
 
Chomsky said:
Yish! Another Obama-Trump economy debate thread!

We've got Trump supporters (& Trump himself) hyperbolicly praising the economy as the "greatest ever", and non-supporters pointing-out the economic trends have basically remained the same under Trump as under Obama.

It's gets redundant every month, but I must admit I do side with the general factuality presented by the non-supporters.

But outside of political debate, I've been happy with the economy in my private life for most of the last decade - as it's been working well for me. Low inflation, low interest rates, 2% growth, and steady (even if moderate) job growth, are all perfectly fine with me and even to be desired (in my opinion).

I am not happy with the stress, uncertainly, and anxiety, that occurs under Trump for essentially the same economic results as under "no drama Obama". Nor am I happy with the soaring deficit. And I'm not happy to see the manufacturing slump either, which I attribute to Trump's trade-war & tariffs. These are negative features of the Trump administration that did not occur under Obama. So I do believe we were better-off under Obama in general terms, even if the two economies are very similar.
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Here's the only problem with your post

non-supporters pointing-out the economic trends have basically remained the same under Trump as under Obama.
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By what standards? Does anyone really believe that percentage change resonates with the American people vs. actual dollar change? how can anyone look at the dollar change in GDP Growth during the Trump term and call it the same as during the Obama term?
 
Chomsky said:
:lamo

Yeah, amazing stuff. All his "facts" are pretty much of the same vein.
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No but Democrats and Obama were in the Congress and in total control. You miss the point deliberately, 146 million taxpayers were paying FIT in 2008, 152 million were paying taxes in 2017 a total growth of 6 million new taxpayers. Obama was President in 2009 when employment went from 142 million down to 138 million Even after the shovel ready jobs bill was signed in February 2009, and employment was 139 million by the end of 2010. I know you don't get it and never will but the reality was the American people rejected the Obama legacy and the results prove them right
 
roughdraft274 said:
Obama wasn't even president in April 2008 :lamo

Go ahead and tell me some more about how you only care about the facts. I'd love to hear more. :mrgreen:
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No but Democrats and Obama were in the Congress and in total control taking credit for 146 million Americans employed and paying taxes. You miss the point deliberately, 146 million taxpayers were paying FIT in 2008, 152 million were paying taxes in 2017 a total growth of 6 million new taxpayers. Obama was President in 2009 when employment went from 142 million down to 138 million Even after the shovel ready jobs bill was signed in February 2009, and employment was 139 million by the end of 2010. I know you don't get it and never will but the reality was the American people rejected the Obama legacy and the results prove them right

the fact further shows that 6 million new taxpayers created in 9 years is a fiscal disaster yet you want to take credit for the last three years and still never acknowledging the growth since Trump took office, 6.7 million new taxpayers in 3 years
 
Conservative said:
Yep, just like Trump did in 18, if he loses the house in 20-22-24 then you will have a point. What really escapes you with regard to 2018 is the GOP Senate growth plus the fact that Republicans won over 60 seats more in 2010 vs the 30+ seats Democrats won in 18.
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Poor Trump! He didn't screw up Obama's fabulous record of growth except for a few thousand less jobs per month, and yet he still lost the House. And even lost the Alabama Senate seat. My goodness. No wonder he's so unpopular.
 
Conservative said:
Here's the only problem with your post



By what standards? Does anyone really believe that percentage change resonates with the American people vs. actual dollar change? how can anyone look at the dollar change in GDP Growth during the Trump term and call it the same as during the Obama term?
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It would seem by any standards, but yours.

(& Trump's - of course).
 
tres borrachos said:
Poor Trump! He didn't screw up Obama's fabulous record of growth except for a few thousand less jobs per month, and yet he still lost the House. And even lost the Alabama Senate seat. My goodness. No wonder he's so unpopular.
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LOL, hope your husband is doing your finances because apparently numbers confuse you
 
Chomsky said:
It would seem by any standards, but yours.

(& Trump's - of course).
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And what standards are you touting? percentage change? why can' you acknowledge dollars but better yet why won't you answer the question, which resonates with the American people percentage change or actual dollars?
 
Conservative said:
LOL, hope your husband is doing your finances because apparently numbers confuse you
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No, our Accountant does our taxes. My husband says hi to you by the way. He now also sees what a great trend Obama started, thanks to your posts. And he like me didn't vote for him. Now he knows too!
 
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