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AP FACT CHECK: Trump’s claims in his State of Union address

Royal PITA said:
The Party of Trump embraces lies and "showmanship". Trump is a master of propaganda, he's king of the Big Lie. What's sad isn't that he lies, but that so many people believe those lies or, worse, are willing to overlook those lies in order to push a political agenda.
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Gotta admit, tho, that was a great show last nite despite his expected untruths. Spoiled only by the Master of Division and Resentment getting the medal of freedom.
 
Conservative said:
Facts do matter, how about these?

Trump has highest economic approval rating of any president in the last 20 years: new poll | Markets Insider

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval - Economy

today the Senate will acknowledge what the country knows that there was no high crime and misdemeanor committed by the President thus destroying the liberal witch hunt Nothing is apparently ever going to change your mind
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Because over half that time we were in recession or recovery from it.

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roguenuke said:
Because over half that time we were in recession or recovery from it.

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Right, coming out of recession in June before Obama's spending even took place and giving us a recovery that left the u-6 and part for economic reason employment above pre recession levels is the kind of recovery that costs politicians their jobs and employees in the private sector theirs. Only in the liberal world does it take 8 years to recover from a recession and still not generate pre recession level results plus on 6 million jobs in 9 years.
 
Conservative said:
Right, coming out of recession in June before Obama's spending even took place and giving us a recovery that left the u-6 and part for economic reason employment above pre recession levels is the kind of recovery that costs politicians their jobs and employees in the private sector theirs. Only in the liberal world does it take 8 years to recover from a recession and still not generate pre recession level results plus on 6 million jobs in 9 years.
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Every economist worth his salt agrees with what I stated. Obama began his Presidency during a recession, and ended it going uphill at the relatively same pace the economy is doing now.

But in reality, there is little a President does for the economy, especially in short terms of 4 years. Most of what they do takes much longer to take effect. And has only a little impact. Most things that effect the economy are outside the Presidents control, especially alone.

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Conservative said:
So your idea of patriotism and not celebrating successful economic and foreign policy news and not putting America first? Interesting logic on your part. Why don't you tell us then what Patriotism is to you since obviously my 73 years on this earth doesn't understand the definition or see it the way you apparently do
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Conservative said:
So sorry that putting food on the table, clothes on one's back, and a roof over their head is a sellout in that world in which you live. Results matter but keep focusing on social issues which aren't federal responsibilities.
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Are you confessing you were homeless, naked and starving under the Bush and Obama administrations or are you really saying you are willing to put the ability to buy a new F150 and a Beemer for the wife over patriotism?

Nobody is asking you to starve, go naked or be homeless, but all I've heard from you is the same slop Bill Clinton was slinging "It's the economy, stupid!". Not a single word about anything that's more important than the Almighty Dollar. Is it really so hard for people to understand why Conservatism is dead in this country?
 
roguenuke said:
Every economist worth his salt agrees with what I stated. Obama began his Presidency during a recession, and ended it going uphill at the relatively same pace the economy is doing now.

But in reality, there is little a President does for the economy, especially in short terms of 4 years. Most of what they do takes much longer to take effect. And has only a little impact. Most things that effect the economy are outside the Presidents control, especially alone.

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Agreed. IMHO, people who give Trump (or Bill Clinton) all of the credit for the economy are either ignorant of the facts or just using happenstance to support the political ideology of a lying, draft-dodging coward and serial adulterer.
 
Nickyjo said:
Gotta admit, tho, that was a great show last nite despite his expected untruths. Spoiled only by the Master of Division and Resentment getting the medal of freedom.
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Agreed. I was certainly entertained by the spectacle.
 
How many times are you TDERS going to post the LW AP's spin ?
Notice the fact checkers never actual check any facts.
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roguenuke said:
Every economist worth his salt agrees with what I stated. Obama began his Presidency during a recession, and ended it going uphill at the relatively same pace the economy is doing now.

But in reality, there is little a President does for the economy, especially in short terms of 4 years. Most of what they do takes much longer to take effect. And has only a little impact. Most things that effect the economy are outside the Presidents control, especially alone.

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Yes he did but what he did with that recession is the issue which you cannot seem to grasp being exactly the kind of person the left loves

President sets the tone and presents policies which impact the economy. you seem very civics challenged as well as complete lack of understanding how economic policies affect the private sector. Obama was in office 8 years not 4 and left us with worse results in u-6 and part time for economic reason employment than when the recession began. He also left us with meager economic growth and job creation losing the House and the Senate in 2014 and 2016 which by the way happened to be the best years of the Obama term, still pathetic but better than the previous 6

You claim things are outside the President's control then why the hatred for Trump? what has he done that has affected you negatively?
 
Royal PITA said:
Are you confessing you were homeless, naked and starving under the Bush and Obama administrations or are you really saying you are willing to put the ability to buy a new F150 and a Beemer for the wife over patriotism?

Nobody is asking you to starve, go naked or be homeless, but all I've heard from you is the same slop Bill Clinton was slinging "It's the economy, stupid!". Not a single word about anything that's more important than the Almighty Dollar. Is it really so hard for people to understand why Conservatism is dead in this country?
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I am confessing that I understand the private sector and incentive a lot better than anyone from the left. You seem to make excuses for the poor economic performance under Obama while ignoring the turn around under Trump. Focus on Trump's personality is irrelevant to the results the American people are seeing and feeling. this is a lot more than the Almighty Dollar, this is about the American people having more control over their own lives and better able to take care of their families. being dependent on federal bureaucrats is demeaning but that is what gives liberals their power

Conservatism is dead???? LOL, I see nothing more than a partisan opinion from someone who at your age should know better
 
Royal PITA said:
Agreed. IMHO, people who give Trump (or Bill Clinton) all of the credit for the economy are either ignorant of the facts or just using happenstance to support the political ideology of a lying, draft-dodging coward and serial adulterer.
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People who don't give the President credit but do give the President blame have no credibility on either issue. facts are supported by actual results not media and liberal spin. Trump's results speak for themselves and are resonating with the American people who get it, when will you?
 
jpn said:
Trump says he’s produced 7 million jobs in the past three years. Fact check says: True! But in the three years before that, Obama created 8 million jobs.

But you know, 7 million in three years isn't bad. For a Republican. :lol:
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sjmay said:
So, Trump nearly matched Obama's production, in less than half the time........not sure that's a negative for Trump.
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Don't read so good, huh?
 
Conservative said:
People who don't give the President credit but do give the President blame have no credibility on either issue. ....
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Common ground. Agreed. The President has some influence, no doubt, but to give a President all the of credit as Trump and Clinton fans do or all of the blame as those who hated GW Bush did, do not understand the dynamics of the American economy.
 
Conservative said:
I am confessing that I understand the private sector and incentive a lot better than anyone from the left. You seem to make excuses for the poor economic performance under Obama while ignoring the turn around under Trump. ....
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Feel free to cite any quotes where I've treated any President differently on the economy. I'll wait.
 
Royal PITA said:
Feel free to cite any quotes where I've treated any President differently on the economy. I'll wait.
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I understand what Royal PITA means which is what you seem to be playing on here. I don't give a damn about any of your previous quotes but I do notice how you ignore the official data today and what generated that data. I also see that your ideology doesn't quite grasp the reality that people keeping more of what they earn makes them less dependent of federal bureaucrats and that benefits them and their family. If you want to really debate the issues then understand facts win debates not your personal opinions
 
Royal PITA said:
Common ground. Agreed. The President has some influence, no doubt, but to give a President all the of credit as Trump and Clinton fans do or all of the blame as those who hated GW Bush did, do not understand the dynamics of the American economy.
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They also don't understand that personal responsibility isn't to be funded by someone else and is better handled by the state and local governments who get their money from people spending dollars in their state generating sales tax revenue and property tax revenue. Higher federal taxes take that money away from the consumers
 
Conservative said:
I understand what Royal PITA means which is what you seem to be playing on here. I don't give a damn about any of your previous quotes but I do notice how you ignore the official data today and what generated that data. I also see that your ideology doesn't quite grasp the reality that people keeping more of what they earn makes them less dependent of federal bureaucrats and that benefits them and their family. If you want to really debate the issues then understand facts win debates not your personal opinions
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Obviously you do or you wouldn't be so upset. As for the data; data is data. That's not the point of discussion. I'm truly sorry you do not understand that point just as I am sorry you choose to put profit over patriotism and a cult of personality over American ideology. It's your right to do so and it's my right to disagree. Another point I'm sorry you don't understand.
 
Donc said:
I wonder if the liar in chief knows about the computer thingy?:roll:

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Associated Press is fact-checking remarks from President Donald Trump’s State of the Union speech. A look at some of the claims we’ve examined:
MANUFACTURING

TRUMP, in prepared remarks: “We are restoring our nation’s manufacturing might, even though predictions were that this could never be done. After losing 60,000 factories under the previous two administrations, America has now gained 12,000 new factories under my administration.”

THE FACTS: Not quite.
Manufacturing has slumped in the past year, after having advanced in the prior two years. The president’s tariffs regime and slower growth worldwide hurt the sector in ways that suggest that Trump’s policies robbed it of some of its previous strength.
Factory output fell 1.3% over the past 12 months, according to the Federal Reserve. Manufacturing job gains went from more than 260,000 at the end of 2018 to a paltry 46,000 for the 12 months ended in December, according to the Labor Department. Manufacturers lost jobs last year in Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — the older industrial states where Trump had promised a renaissance.
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JOBS and ECONOMY

TRUMP: “In eight years under the last administration, over 300,000 working-age people dropped out of the workforce. In just three years of my Administration, 3.5 million working-age people have joined the workforce.”

THE FACTS: Trump is being misleading with numbers to tarnish his predecessor’s record. It’s not clear what he means by “working-age.” But the total size of the U.S. labor force shows that the president is just wrong.
During the eight years of Obama’s presidency, the labor force rose by 5.06 million, according to the Labor Department. The improvement reflected a rebounding economy from the Great Recession and population growth.

As the unemployment rate has fallen, more people are finding it attractive to work and joining the labor force. This has enabled the labor force to climb by an impressive 4.86 million in just three years under Trump.
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TRUMP: “From the instant I took office, I moved rapidly to revive the U.S. economy — slashing a record number of job killing-regulations, enacting historic and record-setting tax cuts, and fighting for fair and reciprocal trade agreements.

THE FACTS: The U.S. economy indeed is healthy, but it’s had plenty of hiccups during the Trump administration.

Trump never quite managed to achieve the liftoff he promised during the 2016 election. Instead, gains have largely followed along the same lines of an expansion that started more than a decade ago under Barack Obama.

Total economic growth last year was 2.3%. That is roughly in line with the average gains achieved after the Great Recession — and a far cry from growth of as much 3%, 4% or more that Trump told voters he could deliver.

The tax cuts did temporarily boost growth in 2018 as deficit spending increased. But the administration claimed its tax plan would increase business investment in way that could fuel lasting growth. For the past three quarters, business investment has instead declined.

It’s too soon to judge the impact of the updated trade agreement with Mexico and Canada as well as the pact with China. But Trump premised his economic policy on wiping out the trade gap. Instead, the trade deficit has worsened under Trump.


AP FACT CHECK: Trump'''s claims in his State of Union address
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LOL, what a pathetic, desperate attempt to distort the facts. For instance even with a slight slump in the past year manufacturing output remains at a higher levels than when Trump took office. And the economy "had some hiccups"? Are they serious - all economies have "hiccups".

According to the Bullseye Fact Check Algorithm, this article is rated:

hogwash.webp
 
Captain Adverse said:
Seems to me like trying to make him look like a liar, the "factcheck" is comparing apples with oranges and asserting they are the same thing.

Foe example:

Trump says "12,000 new factories;" but what does the "factcheck" say?



"Output" does not equate "number of new factories." Meanwhile, trying to distort growth in employment by attempting to make that growth a negative:



So there WAS job growth in manufacturing. Just not as much as prior reports. Yet it is still job GROWTH.

Hmm what other "claims" were examined?



Soooo, in eight years under Obama, job growth was 5.06 million, but in the THREE years under Trump it has grown 4.86 million.

If we average it out over eight years then growth was 700,000 per year under Obama, as opposed to 1,620,000 per year under Trump. By ANY measure one would say that is a MAJOR improvement under Trump, and in less time.

Of course, as far as the "300,000" dropping out, Trump might be talking about those early years where unemployment grew so much that the Obama administration had to extend unemployment benefits for over 3 years to cover the increase in unemployment. So when one looks at the early years during "extended unemployment benefits" and give Obama credit for 5 years, Obama's growth was 1.3 million per year, still less than Trump.

I could go on with the rest, but I think my point is made.
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You forgot...:roll: that BO hadda dig outta the (economy lost 8.5 million jobs as a result of the 2008 financial crisis)that hole that dubya left.:2wave:
 
Bullseye said:
LOL, what a pathetic, desperate attempt to distort the facts. For instance even with a slight slump in the past year manufacturing output remains at a higher levels than when Trump took office. And the economy "had some hiccups"? Are they serious - all economies have "hiccups".

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what a pathetic, desperate attempt to distort the facts
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What facts were distorted?
 
American said:
Most fact checkers are liars and need their facts checked. Are you really that naïve? But you go on, because Democrats believe in their fact checkers. :lol:
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"Constitutionalist":roll:give me one fact that you consider is false.:2wave:
 
Donc said:
What facts were distorted?
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Did you read my post or were you just dazzled by my visual aid? :lamo

And, no I'm not going to go through them one by one - I've posted real data on every point multiple times.
 
jpn said:
It's funny how obsessed Republicans are with California. Trump says it's just awful because of all the health care they provide for “illegal aliens.”

Here’s the economic performance of the ten biggest states since the end of the Great Recession:

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Meanwhile, the health care lies go on and on and on:

“We will always protect people with pre-existing conditions.” :roll:

Uh-huh, except for all those plans Republicans actually tried to pass in 2017 that did nothing of the sort.

Plus that lawsuit Republicans are supporting that would immediately take away protections for pre-existing conditions.

But it doesn’t matter. As Trump told us years ago, “You just tell them and they believe you.” And they do.
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The problem is that a huge portion of California's economic success does touch many of it's citizens. Silicon Valley, biotech, arts and entertainment pull in gazillions of dollars, but California has one of the highest percentages of its population on welfare and children living below the poverty line. Cities like San Francisco and LA have massive homeless populations and dismal public health problems including diseases that were once eradicated. San Francisco has a website map to show where the human excrement on the streets is worst.

California has one of the highest, if not the highest income tax rates, and our dear leaders are using it to serve our illegal alien population while our infrastructure crumples and housing prices soar out of sight.

And that's just off the top of my head.
 
Erod said:
Game. Set. Match.

There's the most important fact of this speech.

Reelection is secured.
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Nothing Trump does (except maybe cheat) will secure his reelection. Nobody believes him except the supporters who believed him yesterday. He doesn't have any new tricks and will keep telling the same lies to the same willing believers until November. Now he could still win of course but at this point he is not improving his odds.

What will improve his odds is what the Dems might do. If they screw it up, fall into fractious bickering, nominate a milquetoast candidate or otherwise make a mess of it, then their voters will stay home and they will lose.

So the ball isn't in Trump's court one bit, and another boiler plate speech full of "alternative facts" won't make a difference.
 
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