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Pete Buttigieg leads in Iowa with 62% of precincts reporting

CMPancake said:
The Iowa caucus. The one where the app meant to count votes was paid for by Mayo Pete and operated by Clinton goons.
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The conspiracy category is two doors down the hall to the right.
 
If Pete and Bernie are 1 and 2, then nobody should be dismissing either of them in the near future. Regardless of how this gets spun by naysayers, both will be able to take this result and fund-raise. The debate between progressives and moderates in our party as well as the generational discussion will be well served going forward and I am a happy guy. I will be even happier if I hear that both Warren and Biden, and maybe klobuchur have sufficient resources to stay competitive too.
 
Geoist said:
If you were then you'd realize neoliberalism is dying. Time to move on to progressivism.
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neoliberalism is what naive neophytes believe in. Bernie is a regressive socialist, not a progressive.
 
Metric Mouse said:
The interesting part of this story is was anyone expecting Bernie to take second place to Buttigieg!? (Assuming that would be the outcome)
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One poll got shelved because it forget to include pete altogether right before caucus night, another pollster showed pete ahead right before the caucus, the rest showed bernie or someone else ahead.

I am pretty sure all the dnc approved polls are rigged one way or another at this point, go check rcp list of polls, polls taken the same day by different pollsters are often miles apart, and pollsters are not graded too heavy for bias in a primary ie pumping up their choice candidates numbers artificially like they are two weeks from the general election.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Eh, I think the moderates are going for Buttigieg instead of Biden, but that the progressive wing of the party are split between Bernie and Warren. I don't see Warren supporters voting for Buttigieg if it's down to him and Bernie. If Bernie gets some momentum on Warren I think you'll see his numbers start to snowball.
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Not a supporter of any of the Demcrats. Buttigieg got the votes of folks who think Bernie and Warren are too extreme and Biden is just out of touch with even himself. Whichever of the socialist candidates that come out n top will pick up a large portion of what is left from the other. The wild card is actually Biden. Can he bounce back? New Hampshire may help but he will get a bump for sure in SC. When we get that far down the road There will not be more than 4 left and after that depending on how it falls out could be only three. Bloomberg is lurking around hoping to pick up the pieces from a brokered convention.
 
Ikari said:
He doesn't have much pull with minorities, he may have an uphill battle nationally to get the votes.
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Sure he does:


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To the Republicans out there, this is not tokenism!

It's democratic tokenism.
 
Linc said:
neoliberalism is what naive neophytes believe in. Bernie is a regressive socialist, not a progressive.
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Lol, regressive socialist. You sound like a Trumpist. Do tell us how the policies of Denmark, New Zealand, Sweden, etc are regressive...

Neoliberalism got us the NAFTA Americans hate so much. Neoliberalism got us the 90s crime bills that destroyed black communities. Neoliberalism got us the Telecommunications Act that put corporatism on speed.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
So the blacks won't come around if it's him or Trump? Come one!
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I think the fear is more that minorities will not come out to vote, not that they will vote for someone else.
 
Blue Donkey said:
They have a reason not to believe it. I will find out why somehow.
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Politico has a new story out on how ecstatic the trump camp is with the in-fighting and CTs coming from the BS supporters.

Those of us who voted for George McGovern as our first vote aren’t going to put up with this BS from BS supporters this time.
 
Linc said:
You forgot to mention the Bullmoose and Wilson, if you want to change history. Then of course another great timeline was George Wallace in 1968 electing Nixon. I was 14-yo for that Chicago convention in ‘68. I feel another bern coming in Milwaukee this coming July.
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How does that post excuse your personal attack?

Linc said:
I’m in the 21st century. You?
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Ikari said:
I think there are some big pluses with Buttigieg. He's got the moderate platform. He comes off as intelligent and he is well spoken. He's below retirement age. He served in the military.

He doesn't have much pull with minorities, he may have an uphill battle nationally to get the votes. It's a bit too bad because I don't think we should poo poo intelligence and decorum....but look at our current President.
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I don't think the line of thinking that he does't draw the minorities. Are the minorities going to stay home if it's him or Trump? Seriously?
 
Linc said:
Politico has a new story out on how ecstatic the trump camp is with the in-fighting and CTs coming from the BS supporters.
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And the DNC has no one to blame but itself for this fiasco.
 
Linc said:
neoliberalism is what naive neophytes believe in. Bernie is a regressive socialist, not a progressive.
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Not according to Wikipedia:

A progressive and self-described democratic socialist, Sanders is known for his opposition to economic inequality.
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Before his 2016 presidential run, Sanders was known as a legislator who advocated for progressive causes but "rarely forged actual legislation or left a significant imprint on it.
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Bernie Sanders - Wikipedia
 
Surrealistik said:
I mean the results aren't even all in yet; who should be congratulated at this point?
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There was a time when we waited until all the election results were in to start conspiracies about "rigged results".
 
Surrealistik said:
On what basis do you assert this?

Last I checked Warren's most popular second choice, as with Biden, was Bernie.
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Blue Donkey said:
Why? She agrees with Sanders more than anyone else on many issues.
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Actually, that wasn't my point. My point is that 100% of Warren supporters will be fine with moving on to another candidate if they don't get Warren. They're not going to stay home on election day and have a gigantic snit fit.
 
Geoist said:
I don't know what exactly happened, but you have to admit at this point the DNC does not deserve the benefit of the doubt. They were caught red-handed trying to rig the system against Bernie in 2016. They were caught again last week talking about changing the rules again to hurt Bernie's Campaign. Can you really blame the conspiracy theorists?
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Bernie had them change the rules so he could run as a Democrat!
 
Redress said:
I really like Buttigieg, and I would love to see him get the nod. I think he has real possibilities.
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So do I and the evangelicals would have a stroke. :lamo
 
CMPancake said:
I congratulate Pete for being a shameless corporate rat who funded a fraudulent voting app operated by a company with direct ties to Clinton and Pete. It's honestly a smart move of him to cuddle up to the DNC instead of running on his own merits. To which he has none.

You can't handwave this as conspiracy and have it go away. Not after 4 years of crying about Russian troll farms and wanting to see a political system with integrity.
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But the DNC paid for it too. The App was discovered and Nevada is not using the app anymore. If anything it spoiled Pete's night and progressives' hopes for a more modern election process more than anything.
 
Metric Mouse said:
I think the fear is more that minorities will not come out to vote, not that they will vote for someone else.
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While all votes are important, let's not forget that 40% of Americans don't vote at all. Since over 70% of Americans are Eurocentric, that means, on average, 28% of Euro Americans don't vote. While it's politically incorrect to say so, going for the larger group vote is always smarter than going for the fringes.
 
NeverTrump said:
There was a time when we waited until all the election results were in to start conspiracies about "rigged results".
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62% isn't even close to 100%.

Also conspiracy theories aren't nearly the primary source of outrage among Bernie supporters, though I applaud your transparent attempt at creating yet another demeaning narrative.
 
Metric Mouse said:
The interesting part of this story is was anyone expecting Bernie to take second place to Buttigieg!? (Assuming that would be the outcome)
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That Biden basically cratered was indeed a legitimate surprise, yes, but Buttgieg in 2nd or even 1st wasn't totally out of the blue; we expected him to be a strong 3rd and an unlikely but possible 2nd or 1st.
 
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Surrealistik said:
62% isn't even close to 100%.

Also conspiracy theories aren't the primary source of outrage among Bernie supporters, though I applaud your transparent attempt at creating yet another demeaning narrative.
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OK, so please tell me without mentioning rigged systems, votes, or corruption, what makes bernie supporters jump to the conspiracy theory corner every time? I'll wait.
 
Buttigieg has no support among African Americans, thus, he is not a viable candidate. Also, I very much don't trust this 62% order. Bernie should win when all votes are counted. Also, even in the 62% number, Bernie has more votes. This caucus system is so ****ed.
 
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