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[W:89] President Trump unveils Middle East peace plan with Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu

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Irredentist said:
Because it is hypocritical to support the right of one people, the Israelis, to have their own nation, while simultaneously denying that same right to another people who live right next to them. If Palestine has no right to exist, then why does Israel?
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Because the Israelis are one of "OUR Guys"?

Two fundamental tenets of US foreign policy are that:

  1. The people of EVERY area have the "inalienable democratic right" to separate from one of "THEIR" areas and join one of "OUR" areas.
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  2. It is FORBIDDEN for ANYONE to advocate that the area that they live in separate from one of "OUR" areas and join one of "THEIR" areas regardless of the wishes of the people who live there.
 
obscurity said:
#kkk?

Lmaoooooo.

I boycott everything israel because i disagree with their illegal occupation and oppression of indigenous peoples in the west bank and other portions of israel territory.

Go on.

Call me an anti-semite directly.

Do it.
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#kkk

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TU Curmudgeon said:
And I suppose that there isn't a single word of truth in "House demolition in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict" - right?

Oh, wait, you said "currently" didn't you.

Of course you are correct because, right at this moment, the Israelis are not demolishing a single Palestinian building. What happened yesterday and what is going to happen tomorrow don't matter because "currently" the Israelis are not demolishing a single Palestinian building.
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When you'll build without a permit in your city, whatever you build will be razed as well.
 
Apocalypse said:
When you'll build without a permit in your city, whatever you build will be razed as well.
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The West Bank is not an Israeli territory that Israeli laws apply to. They have no right to demolish Palestinian homes.
 
Questerr said:
The West Bank is not an Israeli territory that Israeli laws apply to. They have no right to demolish Palestinian homes.
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It's under a military occupation, which means military rule. The building permits are granted by the military.
 
guys , have you realize when red clown´s 'deal of the century' has appeared ? Yes, straight after Netanyahu (Indicted on Charges of Fraud, Bribery and Breach of Trust) met Trump´s cuckold in Jerusalem ...LOL. red clown did it again , serving "russia" 7/24
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https://mfa.gov.il/MFA/PressRoom/20...imir-Putin-in-Jerusalem--23-January-2020.aspx
Israel’s Netanyahu Indicted on Charges of Fraud, Bribery and Breach of Trust - The New York Times
 
Obscurity said:
I support Trump's push for a two state solution, but will reserve judgment on this particular plan until the details are out.
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Bantustans, incapable of functioning.

Almost certainly

The Israelis never intended to stop until they possess all of eretz Israel.
 
Felis Leo said:
I certainly do not expect the Palestinian leadership to seek peace with a country they have been inculcated to believe are lead by a vile alien people who stole their land, Irredentist. Just like I would not expect true-believing dyed-in-the-wool Nazis or Fascists to tolerate the presence of Jews or non-white people either in their midst or on their borders. But I would not seek to try and mediate a peace between the parties either, because one side's leadership has declared without reservation that it does not want a permanent peace.

You cannot negotiate a peace without both sides wanting a peace.
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And you forgot:

Israel will never get its boot off of the palestinians' necks until they go away.

That has always been the plan.

Make life untenable so they will have no choice but to leave all of Israel to the Israelis.
 
Felis Leo said:
The Palestinian people can choose to make a lithograph of Adolf Hitler their symbolic leader for all I care. That does not mean I or the United States have to back them in their choice.

And I have every confidence that the Israelis will be able hold out against a President Sanders seeking the destruction of the only democracy in the Middle East on behalf of antisemitic fascists (who will only say they just hate "Zionists" until Sanders leaves the room) until a sane President kicks out the old Marxist-Leninist and places him on the ash heap of history.
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I am sick and tired of my money going to them. They are oppressors in an apartheid state. Further, they have single payer. Why the **** would we send them money when we dont have single payer is beyond me.
 
Felis Leo said:
You seem to be trying to make it sound that not approving of the real possibility that a new autocracy springing up in the Middle East hostile to us and our allies is somehow unjust or unreasonable. How is that unreasonable?



If our nation's "consent" is needed, why should we give it?
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I still don't know why the Jews's decision to move into an area that is traditionally hostile and then act like dicks to the people already living there is our problem.

What has Israel done for us lately?

And as their leader is under indictment for corruption, doesn't that mean we should withhold any future military aid?
 
Obscurity said:
The Palestinians have every authority to choose their leadership; the sole reason an insurgent jihadist regime is in there, is in direct opposition to the arsonist, imperialist Israelis, who have, under Bibi, enacted a genocidal apartheid.

I look forward to you supporting President Sanders withholding -all- apportioned funding to Israel on condition they stop their inhumane practices, revert immediately to their UN approved borders, and immediately cease and desist their illegal occupation.
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The Israelis have done a lot of nasty things, but calling them "genocidal" is simply untrue.
 
Apocalypse said:
#kkk

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Oh come on now. You can do better than that, surely. I fully embrace the right of Israel to exist.

within the confines of the UN's borders, and without oppressing the palestinian people.

If that makes me a #KKK supporter, then I am PROUD to be one.
 
Tigerace117 said:
The Israelis have done a lot of nasty things, but calling them "genocidal" is simply untrue.
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They're a genocidal apartheid regime.

I don't care how anyone feels about that.
 
Felis Leo said:
First, I wish they would not call it a "Peace Plan." This is a "Support of an Ally Versus Their Enemy" Plan. There will be no peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians until the Palestinians cease to be led by antisemitic terrorist organizations that sought and still seek the destruction of the state of Israel.

Second, regardless of whether or not the present leaders of the United States or Israel are personally corrupt, the interests of our ally Israel remain unchanged: It makes no sense for Israel to give up real land for illusory peace with the Palestinian leadership that does not want peace with Israel.

I am personally for this. When the Palestinian leadership abandons their antisemitic goals, we can discuss a two-state solution. Not one second before.
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There will be no peace until the Palestinians are consulted, and recognised as a separate viable Palestinian state. The nonsensical "plan" has no chance of movement, let alone success
 
Apocalypse said:
Do you not have "#BDS" in your signature?
What does France think of you? Germany? Canada? Australia? The US?
Every single major Western power recognizes what you people are and opposes you for it.
Why should I take seriously someone who has something similar to "#KKK" in their signature and their views?
I'm familiar with the values of the antisemites and their views, I don't find their positions relevant in discussion. Sorry.
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BDS is capitalism at its finest.

This is the mechanism by which bad actors are punished by the market.

There is exactly no reason why Israel gets to do things no other nation is allowed to do.
 
Obscurity said:
They're a genocidal apartheid regime.

I don't care how anyone feels about that.
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Again, calling themselves "genocidal" is factually untrue.
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If you don't care about reality and just want to toss out the nastiest thing you can think of, why should anyone give a damn what you claim?
 
Tigerace117 said:
Again, calling themselves "genocidal" is factually untrue.
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If you don't care about reality and just want to toss out the nastiest thing you can think of, why should anyone give a damn what you claim?
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Why do you keep replying if you don't care?

It's genocidal to target hospitals full of children. It's genocidal to shoot children unarmed in the street and deny them care. It's genocidal to eradicate ancestral lands via ethnic cleansing and build cushy little apartments for your civilians on stolen land.
 
BDS-- what Ilhan Omar calls economic warfare when levied against any other country besides Israel.
 
Moderate Right said:
What is your Mideast Peace Plan?
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Bulldoze Jerusalem and every time someone uses the term "god" or "allah", giggle a little, like they just said something really dumb.

Seriously, though, middle east peace is impossible as long as their ridiculous fantasies are honored as something other than ridiculous. We could set an example of rational, secular, governance here and give them no money until they act like rational adults.

Let's make religious violence very expensive for both sides.
 
Obscurity said:
Why do you keep replying if you don't care?

It's genocidal to target hospitals full of children. It's genocidal to shoot children unarmed in the street and deny them care. It's genocidal to eradicate ancestral lands via ethnic cleansing and build cushy little apartments for your civilians on stolen land.
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Because no one is obligated to allow you to toss blatant lies out there unchallenged.

The fact that settler colonies exist does not equate to genocide. The settlers are not attempting to eradicate the Palestinian culture. They still aren't okay, but to call them "genocidal" is hysterical.

Having looser ROEs is bad, but again not genocidal.
 
D_NATURED said:
Bulldoze Jerusalem and every time someone uses the term "god" or "allah", giggle a little, like they just said something really dumb.

Seriously, though, middle east peace is impossible as long as their ridiculous fantasies are honored as something other than ridiculous. We could set an example of rational, secular, governance here and give them no money until they act like rational adults.

Let's make religious violence very expensive for both sides.
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And then they just start killing each other for secular reasons.....you are aware that there were a number of Marxist Palestinian terrorist groups, right?

Atheists commit atrocities just as happily as Christians
 
Obscurity said:
I support Trump's push for a two state solution, but will reserve judgment on this particular plan until the details are out.
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nothing , as we all know Putler´s " gas station masquerading as a country" can not exist with Oil prices lower then 40$ . oil prices goes down and czar of the gas - station vova putler gave order to his cuckold (D Trump) to start a new intifada with a totally unacceptable for Palestinians (and Muslims) plan . corrupted Netanyahu had no choice he is under crime investigation, and almost dead politically .
 
What if...? said:
I still don't know why the Jews's decision to move into an area that is traditionally hostile and then act like dicks to the people already living there is our problem.
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First, that is a completely untrue statement. There were Jews living in the Palestine Mandate for centuries. Second, Jews started moving to the Palestine Mandate long before the Second World War as a result of increasing antisemitism in Europe. And third, the people living there now are third, fourth and fifth generation living in that area. They belong there just as much as natural born citizens of the United States belong here, because it is their homeland.

What if...? said:
What has Israel done for us lately?
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Even if I listed how Israel has helped us and continues to help us, would you care and suddenly change your mind and become a die-hard Israel supporter like me?

What if...? said:
And as their leader is under indictment for corruption, doesn't that mean we should withhold any future military aid?
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No. Capriciously withholding military aid that Congress has allocated is an unlawful abuse of presidential power.
 
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What if...? said:
And you forgot:

Israel will never get its boot off of the palestinians' necks until they go away.

That has always been the plan.

Make life untenable so they will have no choice but to leave all of Israel to the Israelis.
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If ethnic cleansing was the plan, Israel would have exterminated the Palestinians and driven them out of the West Bank and into Jordan and from Gaza into the Sinai years before. They have the power to do so, and they would have easily gotten away with it. And in case you were thinking of typing a reply to my saying "they would have easily gotten away with it", I say this because other countries such as Libya and Kuwait forcibly expelled Palestinians from the territory they controlled with nary a peep. And that is just how fellow Muslims have treated the Palestinians. That is to say nothing of how the world has united and sought to correct the outrages against Myanmar for its treatment of the Rohingya or China and its treatment of the Uyghurs. But the Israelis do not and have not done anything similar to what these far more repressive countries have done and gotten away with, and what is easily in their power to do, because the vast, vast, vast majority of Israelis do not have genocidal designs on the Palestinians.
 
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