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[W:89] President Trump unveils Middle East peace plan with Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu

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Apocalypse said:
Your posiiton comes from someone who thinks Jews have no right to breath the same air that you do and thus I don't find it relevant.
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Of course I don't think that. Man, I thought you'd deflect into antisemitism; of course, you go even further, and go right to dehumanization.

Sorry, Israel is a criminal, evil empire.
 
By all accounts the (Israeli) "settlers" just love the whole thing. Rejecting it already on account of it containing a Palestinian State (of whatever nature) that they reject (by any of its natures).

They're the ones holding the sufficient sway to guarantee Netanyahu's power (aside from what legal proceedings against him may or may not do to it).
 
Obscurity said:
The Palestinians have every authority to choose their leadership; the sole reason an insurgent jihadist regime is in there, is in direct opposition to the arsonist, imperialist Israelis, who have, under Bibi, enacted a genocidal apartheid.

I look forward to you supporting President Sanders withholding -all- apportioned funding to Israel on condition they stop their inhumane practices, revert immediately to their UN approved borders, and immediately cease and desist their illegal occupation.
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The Palestinian people can choose to make a lithograph of Adolf Hitler their symbolic leader for all I care. That does not mean I or the United States have to back them in their choice.

And I have every confidence that the Israelis will be able hold out against a President Sanders seeking the destruction of the only democracy in the Middle East on behalf of antisemitic fascists (who will only say they just hate "Zionists" until Sanders leaves the room) until a sane President kicks out the old Marxist-Leninist and places him on the ash heap of history.
 
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Obscurity said:
Of course I don't think that. Man, I thought you'd deflect into antisemitism; of course, you go even further, and go right to dehumanization.

Sorry, Israel is a criminal, evil empire.
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Apocalypse's response to literally everything is to call the other person an anti semite. He even believes Bernie is an anti semite. He can't be reasoned with so it's best not to try. See also:

Felis Leo said:
The Palestinian people can choose to make a lithograph of Adolf Hitler their symbolic leader for all I care. That does not mean I or the United States have to back them in their choice.

And I have every confidence that the Israelis will be able hold out against a President Sanders seeking the destruction of the only democracy in the Middle East on behalf of antisemitic fascists (who only say they just hate "Zionists" until Sanders leaves the room) until a sane President kicks out the old Marxist-Leninist and places him on the ash heap of history.
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Ah yes, Jewish Bernie wants to destroy Israel. :roll: You've gone off the hyperbole deep end and it prevents us from taking you seriously.
 
Felis Leo said:
You seem to be trying to make it sound that not approving of the real possibility that a new autocracy springing up in the Middle East hostile to us and our allies is somehow unjust or unreasonable. How is that unreasonable?



If our nation's "consent" is needed, why should we give it?
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We should give our consent to the creation of a Palestinian nation, regardless of what form its government takes. Because if Palestine has no fundamental right to exist, then neither does Israel.
 
Apocalypse said:
No, no it's not. You're literally making things up at this point.
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UN definition: "… rendering an area ethnically homogeneous by using force or intimidation to remove persons of given groups from the area.

That’s exactly describes the Israel settlement campaign.
 
Obscurity said:
Of course I don't think that. Man, I thought you'd deflect into antisemitism; of course, you go even further, and go right to dehumanization.

Sorry, Israel is a criminal, evil empire.
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Do you not have "#BDS" in your signature?
What does France think of you? Germany? Canada? Australia? The US?
Every single major Western power recognizes what you people are and opposes you for it.
Why should I take seriously someone who has something similar to "#KKK" in their signature and their views?
I'm familiar with the values of the antisemites and their views, I don't find their positions relevant in discussion. Sorry.
 
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Questerr said:
UN definition: "… rendering an area ethnically homogeneous by using force or intimidation to remove persons of given groups from the area.

That’s exactly describes the Israel settlement campaign.
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And who was removed? Who is to be removed? You literally just admitted that you either don't know what you're talking about, make things up, or both.
 
Obscurity said:
The Palestinians have every authority to choose their leadership; the sole reason an insurgent jihadist regime is in there, is in direct opposition to the arsonist, imperialist Israelis, who have, under Bibi, enacted a genocidal apartheid.

I look forward to you supporting President Sanders withholding -all- apportioned funding to Israel on condition they stop their inhumane practices, revert immediately to their UN approved borders, and immediately cease and desist their illegal occupation.
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Do you think you could get the Palistinians to at least give an inch by admitting that Israel has a right to exist?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
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This just in, two corrupt leaders under investigation by their own people and universally hated in the middle east offer a new middle east "peace plan" they consulted no one on that involves Israel annexing more of Palestine.

Should we go ahead and roll out the ol' "Mission Accomplished" banner?
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Does "I hold in my hand a piece of paper that will bring peace for our time." have a slightly familiar ring to it?

I do have to admit that the Israelis were rather "generous" in giving back SOME of the land that they had taken in the first place.
 
Irredentist said:
We should give our consent to the creation of a Palestinian nation, regardless of what form its government takes. Because if Palestine has no fundamental right to exist, then neither does Israel.
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You are making conclusory statements without articulating a principle as to why they should be so, Irredentist.

Why, as someone who is pro-Israel, would I want to see the creation of a Palestinian state. Pretend it was your job to convince me. What exactly is your sales pitch simply beyond you and the Palestinian people wanting it?
 
Apocalypse said:
And who was removed? Who is to be removed? You literally just admitted that you either don't know what you're talking about, make things up, or both.
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Are you going to claim that there are Palestinians living within Israeli settlements in the West Bank?

The Israelis remove the Palestinians from that land when they take it over.
 
Questerr said:
Are you going to claim that there are Palestinians living within Israeli settlements in the West Bank?

The Israelis remove the Palestinians from that land when they take it over.
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I'm saying that you hinting on Palestinians being currently displaced and being told to leave their homes to make room for settlements is deception pure and simple, there's no such thing going on, the settlements were formed on lands that weren't used by anyone and there certainly isn't any Palestinian who is being told to leave his house in the West Bank to make room for a Jewish family. Whoever sold you that story probably didn't work so hard to convince you judging by your views here. Horrible.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Apocalypse's response to literally everything is to call the other person an anti semite. He even believes Bernie is an anti semite. He can't be reasoned with so it's best not to try. See also:




Ah yes, Jewish Bernie wants to destroy Israel. :roll: You've gone off the hyperbole deep end and it prevents us from taking you seriously.
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I should point out that a person's Jewish identity does not make one immune to the charges of antisemitism. A person can always be the willing tool of antisemites and those who want to harm Jews, even if they hold no antisemitic believes themselves. Chaim Rumkowski was certainly not an antisemite. But he was the next best thing.
 
chuckiechan said:
Do you think you could get the Palistinians to at least give an inch by admitting that Israel has a right to exist?
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Israel has every right to exist. It has no right to exert undue imperialist policies that oppress people for no reason other than the sick desire of pro war nationalists that form a large portion of their electorate.

International law exists for a reason.
 
Questerr said:
UN definition: "… rendering an area ethnically homogeneous by using force or intimidation to remove persons of given groups from the area.

That’s exactly describes the Israel settlement campaign.
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Picky, picky, picky.
 
Felis Leo said:
You are making conclusory statements without articulating a principle as to why they should be so, Irredentist.

Why, as someone who is pro-Israel, would I want to see the creation of a Palestinian state. Pretend it was your job to convince me. What exactly is your sales pitch simply beyond you and the Palestinian people wanting it?
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Because it is hypocritical to support the right of one people, the Israelis, to have their own nation, while simultaneously denying that same right to another people who live right next to them. If Palestine has no right to exist, then why does Israel?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
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This just in, two corrupt leaders under investigation by their own people and universally hated in the middle east offer a new middle east "peace plan" they consulted no one on that involves Israel annexing more of Palestine.

Should we go ahead and roll out the ol' "Mission Accomplished" banner?
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Trump farted publicly in water again , i don't see how Palestinian elites could it (without eastern Jerusalem) sell to Palestinians and the muslim world . but I guess his buddy vova putler blessed Trump's 'deal of the century' and this is only important for the red clown

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Apocalypse said:
Do you not have "#BDS" in your signature?
What does France think of you? Germany? Canada? Australia? The US?
Every single major Western power recognizes what you people are and opposes you for it.
Why should I take seriously someone who has something similar to "#KKK" in their signature and their views?
I'm familiar with the values of the antisemites and their views, I don't find their positions relevant in discussion. Sorry.
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#KKK?

LMAOOOOOO.

I boycott everything Israel because I disagree with their illegal occupation and oppression of indigenous peoples in the west bank and other portions of Israel territory.

Go on.

Call me an anti-semite directly.

DO IT.
 
Felis Leo said:
I should point out that a person's Jewish identity does not make one immune to the charges of antisemitism. A person can always be the willing tool of antisemites and those who want to harm Jews, even if they hold no antisemitic believes themselves. Chaim Rumkowski was certainly not an antisemite. But he was the next best thing.
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Also of note: being Jewish doesn't mean you have to support the actions of the Israeli government. And not supporting Israeli expansion doesn't make you antisemitic.
 
Apocalypse said:
I'm saying that you hinting on Palestinians being currently displaced and being told to leave their homes to make room for settlements is deception pure and simple, there's no such thing going on, the settlements were formed on lands that weren't used by anyone and there certainly isn't any Palestinian who is being told to leave his house in the West Bank to make room for a Jewish family. Whoever sold you that story probably didn't work so hard to convince you judging by your views here. Horrible.
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Yep, they started by moving onto unoccupied land.

Then they established “security zones” around that land and bulldozed Palestinians homes in those zones.

Then they began doing things like cutting off access to water or dumping raw sewage downhill on Palestinian villages and farms.

When that forced Palestinians away, they occupied that “unused land” and set up “security zones” around it, bulldozing Palestinians homes in those zones.

Rinse and repeat.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Apocalypse's response to literally everything is to call the other person an anti semite. He even believes Bernie is an anti semite. He can't be reasoned with so it's best not to try. See also:




Ah yes, Jewish Bernie wants to destroy Israel. :roll: You've gone off the hyperbole deep end and it prevents us from taking you seriously.
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I am fully aware of Apoc's nonsense. I just want him to say it directly to me, instead of saying #BDS=#KKK

What a joke.
 
Apocalypse said:
I'm saying that you hinting on Palestinians being currently displaced and being told to leave their homes to make room for settlements is deception pure and simple, there's no such thing going on, the settlements were formed on lands that weren't used by anyone and there certainly isn't any Palestinian who is being told to leave his house in the West Bank to make room for a Jewish family. Whoever sold you that story probably didn't work so hard to convince you judging by your views here. Horrible.
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And I suppose that there isn't a single word of truth in "House demolition in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict" - right?

Oh, wait, you said "currently" didn't you.

Of course you are correct because, right at this moment, the Israelis are not demolishing a single Palestinian building. What happened yesterday and what is going to happen tomorrow don't matter because "currently" the Israelis are not demolishing a single Palestinian building.
 
Felis Leo said:
I should point out that a person's Jewish identity does not make one immune to the charges of antisemitism. A person can always be the willing tool of antisemites and those who want to harm Jews, even if they hold no antisemitic believes themselves. Chaim Rumkowski was certainly not an antisemite. But he was the next best thing.
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If course, but the burden of proof in calling a Jew an anti semite is much higher. Israel and Jews are not synonyms and most Jews live outside of Israel. You do this to dismiss his actual position, which is that both countries need to coexist and recognize each other.
 
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