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    Re: Trump Tied Ukraine Aid to Inquiries He Sought, Bolton Book Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Dianna, please. These are Trump voters. Such things are beyond them and it's impolite to remind them of that.
    My bad. I forgot how easy it is to hurt their little feelings.
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    Re: Trump Tied Ukraine Aid to Inquiries He Sought, Bolton Book Says

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    2. Yes. Between Bolton, who has decades of being a straight shooter and a conservative stalwart, whose testimony lines up with that of others, and Trump, who is a constant and inveterate liar, who continually yanks the carpet out from under his "allies" by changing his story, I absolutely believe Bolton.
    But Lou Dobbs tells me tonight Bolton is "a tool of the lefties." How can you combat that, CP!?

    "To be sure, there is always a danger we will turn our opposition to deficiency into a rejection of those who bear it. [..] So just as the loathing of imperfection fuels the search for perfection, so the search for perfection makes imperfection all the more intolerable.”-Leon Kass, President George W Bush's Head of Bioethics Commission, Lecture 2006

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    Re: Trump Tied Ukraine Aid to Inquiries He Sought, Bolton Book Says

    Now let’s look at some other policy areas!

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    your change in attitude
    Hey! Remember way, way, way, back in the Obama Administration, when conservatives were aghast that Obama would be so incredibly naïve as to say that he would meet with the leaders of brutal dictatorships, giving them a world stage and a propaganda coup? Oh, how conservatives fumed at how easy Obama let off the dictators of the world….



    Trump says he’s willing to meet with Rouhani without preconditions.


    But sure. cpwill is the one who changed.


    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    your change in attitude
    Hey! Remember way, way, way, back in the Obama Administration, when conservatives thought that Obama had been a total naif and a fool to:

    pull out of Iraq too early, and
    cut the surge in Afghanistan off at the knees, and
    believe that he could negotiate with Islamist fundamentalists, and
    trade the Gitmo Five for a U.S. Hostage?

    Trump Withdrawal from Syria threatens chaos

    Trump invites Taliban to Camp David. Oh, and we are going to give the Taliban their key demand by cutting our effort off at the knees and reducing troops in Afghanistan, even if they don’t agree to anything at all. Pretty smooth negotiating strategy there: Either Give Me What I Want, Or I’ll Give You What You Want, So Take That.

    And lest we forget: Trump exchanges Haqqani leaders for a U.S. hostage.

    But sure. cpwill is the one who changed.


    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    your change in attitude
    Hey! Remember way, way, way, back in the Obama Administration, when conservatives thought it was really bad that he was alienating our allies while playing kissy face with dictators and thugs?

    Yeah.

    But sure. cpwill is the one who changed.


    We can do this all night long, if you want. From being weak in foreign policy, to being a big-government statist in domestic policy, to his long-standing sexual-libertine approach to social questions…. cpwill hasn’t changed. Republicans, and especially Republicans who claimed to be “Conservatives” have.

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    Re: Trump Tied Ukraine Aid to Inquiries He Sought, Bolton Book Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    But Lou Dobbs tells me tonight Bolton is "a tool of the lefties." How can you combat that, CP!?
    Mostly with laughter. I'm torn between wondering if Dobbs has really gone that senile and stupid, or if he just thinks his audience has.

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    Re: Trump Tied Ukraine Aid to Inquiries He Sought, Bolton Book Says

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Trump has no principles, and, certainly he shares no particular principles with the Founders.



    :snort: Trump has refused to take personal responsibility for any of the plague of problems in his administrations, instead constantly blaming others OFTEN IN ALL CAPS such as Secretary Mattis.

    Cmon, man, personal responsibility? The guy who could have saved himself endless trouble and possibly even an impeachment by just saying "My Bad" on the Ukraine thing and taking a Congressional censure, but couldn't accept personal responsibility for any of his actions, instead insisting they were "perfect"? Sorry, no.





    Now… PRIOR to the Trump Administration, conservatives were pretty much uniformly opposed to all those things, cpwill among them. But now because Trump…. sure, yeah, cpwill is the one who changed. Okedoke.




    Excellent point. Trump would never expand the federal government, try to pick winners and losers, and increase federal expenditures that create dependence.

    OH WAIT.

    Fun Fact: Trump’s Bailouts for the Trade War he started are already DOUBLE the size of Obama’s bailout of the Auto Industry

    Now, I’m so old, I can remember way, way, way back into the Obama administration, when CONSERVATIVES were pretty much uniformly against massive expansions of government expenditures, especially in service of bailouts that left the recipient dependent on continued government funds. Heck – back then conservatives even opposed Obama’s tariffs as a destructive and anti-free-trade means of trying to pick winners and losers.

    Trump tries to pick winners and losers in the economy, and what have Republicans done? They abandoned those principles to serve Trump.

    Trump gives us trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see. Once upon a time, Republicans claimed to care about that sort of thing, and “Conservatives” certainly did.

    Sure, yeah, cpwill is the one who changed.
    This really is a waste of time with you as you are incapable of thinking beyond your own biases and opinions formed based upon incomplete data. I am not going to waste any more time with you on this issue as you really are too biased to even try to get the facts about Trump. Suggest you read The United States of Trump and get back to me afterwards. Explains a lot about a very complicated man but still a very patriotic and successful man as the current results show.

    Do you have an alternative? You think the radical left is as principled as you? Do you really want to see one of those clowns running on the Democratic ticket to take the oval office?? I feel sorry for people like you so principled and yet so naïve, gullible and poorly informed

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    Re: Trump Tied Ukraine Aid to Inquiries He Sought, Bolton Book Says

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Mostly with laughter. I'm torn between wondering if Dobbs has really gone that senile and stupid, or if he just thinks his audience has.
    More like after a decade and a half crying about brown people giving competition to self-entitled white blue collar workers, Lou finally found an audience for grumpy white populists and started to sing:


    "To be sure, there is always a danger we will turn our opposition to deficiency into a rejection of those who bear it. [..] So just as the loathing of imperfection fuels the search for perfection, so the search for perfection makes imperfection all the more intolerable.”-Leon Kass, President George W Bush's Head of Bioethics Commission, Lecture 2006

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    Re: Trump Tied Ukraine Aid to Inquiries He Sought, Bolton Book Says

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Because Trump got caught, and congress convened an investigation the day before Trump released the damned aid. You're really not paying much attention to the details of this case, are you?
    Sure, believe whatever you want.
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    Re: Trump Tied Ukraine Aid to Inquiries He Sought, Bolton Book Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    incomplete data.

    "To be sure, there is always a danger we will turn our opposition to deficiency into a rejection of those who bear it. [..] So just as the loathing of imperfection fuels the search for perfection, so the search for perfection makes imperfection all the more intolerable.”-Leon Kass, President George W Bush's Head of Bioethics Commission, Lecture 2006

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    Re: Trump Tied Ukraine Aid to Inquiries He Sought, Bolton Book Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    This really is a waste of time with you as you are incapable of thinking beyond your own biases and opinions formed based upon incomplete data. I am not going to waste any more time with you on this issue as you really are too biased to even try to get the facts about Trump. Suggest you read The United States of Trump and get back to me afterwards. Explains a lot about a very complicated man but still a very patriotic and successful man as the current results show.
    I like how you claim that I've changed, and claim you respect me, so I go to the trouble of listing out and linking all the positions where I haven't changed, but the GOP has, and your response is....

    to accuse me of bias and claim that you aren't going to waste any more time on it because Gosh I'm Just So Biased as to be able to identify fault with my own tribe by sticking to an independent measure of truth.


    And, the sweet, sweet irony that you finish up with:

    Do you have an alternative? You think the radical left is as principled as you? Do you really want to see one of those clowns running on the Democratic ticket to take the oval office?? I feel sorry for people like you so principled and yet so naïve,
    False Dilemma Logical Fallacy.


    But, please. Please keep being upset with me for actually having and sticking to principles. Of all the critiques I can muster, that is probably far and away the best.


    gullible and poorly informed
    Sure. I'm the one who's lived half these stories and is able to cite you chapter and verse for issue after issue, while all you can respond with is But Bill O'Reilly Says... and, I'm the one who's gullible and poorly informed. Okedoke.
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    Re: Trump Tied Ukraine Aid to Inquiries He Sought, Bolton Book Says

    Quote Originally Posted by maxparrish View Post
    Thank you for the non-response to my request. Until such time as you can provide the lawyer quote that does not exist I won't bother your self-amused ranting.
    Are you so much in denial that you are denying that everything is going to come out too? Parnas proved that Trump is not invincible at shutting up his employees. Bolton is far smarter than Parnas. The funny thing is that the stuff about Trump and Ukraine is not going to be the worst of what Bolton tells us. At least that F'n Neocon is still a patriot and I am very interested in what he says about Erdogon, Putin and Kim..
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