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Trump scrambles after accidentally sharing Social Security plan

BahamaBob said:
That is mostly true. However, Obama relaxed the standard needed to obtain a Social Security Disability. Many people who could not find jobs went on SS Disability.

5.4 Million Join Disability Rolls Under Obama | Investor's Business Daily
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A good point but irrelevant to the accusation. The fact remains our nation needs to balance its budget but avoid having kids starving and dying in our streets like a Third World ****hole.

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joko104 said:
What he said if the economy goes up he'll consider raising social security, disability, medicare and medicaid. Of course, as a Democrat it is literally UNTHINKABLE to not eliminate entitlements by the slow death of inflation.
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Last year: Trump proposes big cuts to health programs for poor, elderly and disabled
The spending plan calls for a cut of nearly $1.5 trillion in Medicaid over 10 years and for $1.2 trillion to be added for the block grants or per-person caps that would start in 2021. Under the new arrangement, states would gain far more freedom to set their own rules about how to cover the poor.

The budget also would eliminate funding for Medicaid expansion under the Affordable Care Act, which has gone to about three dozen states over the past five years.
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Greenbeard said:
Last year: Trump proposes big cuts to health programs for poor, elderly and disabled
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The major fault (flaw?) in sending (diverting?) more federal funds to the states is that it lessens the concern over how efficiently those tax dollars are spent and, of course, upon who they may then be spent. IMHO, the temptation to place more "free" clinics inside larger cities (to increase voter approval?) while ignoring those in more sparsely populated areas will be great.

Of course, another major flaw in that "cost saving" plan is that taking $1.5T from (all) seniors/disabled and then diverting (most) $1.2T of it to the states to cover "the poor" (many, if not most, of which are not seniors/disabled) results in a (federal) "net savings" of only $0.3T yet (drastically and fundamentally?) changes Medicare to become ever more "means tested" (more like Medicaid?) and is done totally at the expense of the seniors/disabled.
 
BahamaBob said:
News Flash, Obama was the one who raided Medicare for over $800 billion.
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That line has repeatedly been discredited.

“ Chairman Ryan’s budget would repeal the coverage provisions of the ACA, but would keep most of the $716 billion in Medicare cuts. In addition, Chairman Ryan’s budget would retain the $88 billion in Medicare cuts from the “sequester” (from a 2% across-the-board provider reduction) and calls for some additional Medicare cuts.”

Fiscal Fact Checker: What did President Obama do to Medicare? | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget
 
JacksinPA said:
Trump scrambles after accidentally sharing Social Security plan | MSNBC

After years in which Donald Trump assured the public that he’d never cut Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid, the president adopted a different posture this week. Asked by CNBC’s Joe Kernen whether “entitlements” would ever end up on his plate, Trump replied, “At some point they will be…. And at the right time, we will take a look at that.”

When Kernen followed up, asking about Trump’s willingness to “do some of the things that you said you wouldn’t do in the past,” the Republican added, “We’re going to look.”
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Trump attacking entitlement programs like Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid - perfect for Dem campaign ads this fall. They may have voted for him in 2016, but when he threatens to take away their old age safety net, he can kiss his donkey goodbye.
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1. I am a long-term proponent of reforming our old-age entitlement programs in order to make them more affordable. If the Trump administration was going to pursue such an option, that would be fantastic.

2. But they aren't, and this article is a crap clickbait headline. The man said "we're going to look at stuff". That's not a plan and it's not a commitment, even from a man who breaks commitments and who changes plans on a whim.
 
cpwill said:
1. I am a long-term proponent of reforming our old-age entitlement programs in order to make them more affordable. If the Trump administration was going to pursue such an option, that would be fantastic.

2. But they aren't, and this article is a crap clickbait headline. The man said "we're going to look at stuff". That's not a plan and it's not a commitment, even from a man who breaks commitments and who changes plans on a whim.
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This is what McConnell said they would do if they kept the House in 2018.

Mitch McConnell says it out loud: Republicans are gunning for Social Security, Medicare and Obamacare next

It’s one of many reasons not to trust Republicans with the reins of power.
 
MTAtech said:
This is what McConnell said they would do if they kept the House in 2018.

Mitch McConnell says it out loud: Republicans are gunning for Social Security, Medicare and Obamacare next

It’s one of many reasons not to trust Republicans with the reins of power.
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Yeah,

1. This is a red herring, as, again, it has nothing to do with what Trump said, which was "Sure, at some point, I guess, we'll look at it, maybe, in the future, I dunno", which is about what he says when he doesn't know what to say, which is usually the case.

2. The article you link is another example of BS headlines, since what McConnel said was that the entitlements were the real drivers of the debt (which is true), and that they'd have to be adjusted to the demographics of the future (which is true); two anodyne statements that the author decided to (their words) "translate" into "OMG HE"S SAYING CUT BENEFITS".


Again, I think we are long past the time where we should have started looking at reforming the entitlements to reduce outlays, and would love to see the GOP get on board - when Romney selected Ryan as his VP candidate, that was the act that brought me on as a Romney voter, because I assumed it meant he was actually going to try to reform the entitlements - but that is not what the people you are citing are saying, and the headlines and articles you are citing are dishonestly claiming that they are.
 
trixare4kids said:
You're spinning. Read all the Trump quotes regarding the above, not just the MSNBC cherry-pickings.
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Trump takes all sides on every isssue, and reverses himself, and undermined his own staff pretty regularly.

There really is no reason at all for anyone to give the slightest serious credence to anything Donald Trump says. World leaders don’t.
 
BahamaBob said:
News Flash, Obama was the one who raided Medicare for over $800 billion.
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Link? Let's see if your source speaks the truth, or is doing spin by ignoring shifting where coverage came from.
 
BahamaBob said:
Obama Loots $716 Billion from Medicare | Americans for Tax Reform

Obamacare 'robbed' Medicare of $700B, says Huckabee | PolitiFact

Smoking Gun: Obama Admits He Cut Billions from Medicare to Fund Obamacare
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Yes, right wing sources make that claim without being able to show that it is true, by misrepesenting facts. Do you have something other than opinion pieces, but actual evidence. Shifting resources to provide the same coverage is not 'looting medicare', because the people got the same benefits. That is known as 'dishonest right wing spin' to say so.

Why do you quote misinformation from right wing sources?
 
RAMOSS said:
Yes, right wing sources make that claim without being able to show that it is true, by misrepesenting facts. Do you have something other than opinion pieces, but actual evidence. Shifting resources to provide the same coverage is not 'looting medicare', because the people got the same benefits. That is known as 'dishonest right wing spin' to say so.

Why do you quote misinformation from right wing sources?
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The third source has quotes directly from Obama. That is a right wing source?

Some people need to get their heads out of the sand.
 
JacksinPA said:
Yup, largest deficit in history. And now he's planning to make the retired folks pay for it by cutting into their retirement funds.
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Any cuts to SS would only help make the program solvent and would have no impact on the deficit.
 
"Ole Donnnie" screwed the pooch on this one.

Florida probably had ground tremors with all the Q-Tips heads exploding when this hit the networks.
 
BahamaBob said:
The third source has quotes directly from Obama. That is a right wing source?

Some people need to get their heads out of the sand.
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Have you ever heard the term 'quote mining'? That is when a phrase is taken out of context to make it give a different meaning than when considering the surrounding context. Do try to learn about it.
 
RAMOSS said:
Have you ever heard the term 'quote mining'? That is when a phrase is taken out of context to make it give a different meaning than when considering the surrounding context. Do try to learn about it.
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Are you accusing Obama of being a liar?
 
BahamaBob said:
Are you accusing Obama of being a liar?
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No, I am accusing your sources for being liars. Clips that are not taken in context can give false impresisons
 
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