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"Take her out": Recording of Trump at dinner talking about Ukraine ambassador Marie Yovanovitch

Re: "Take her out": Recording of Trump at dinner talking about Ukraine ambassador Marie Yovanovitch

jmotivator said:
She was a corrupt Obama holdover who did her work with the corrupt pro-Russia regime in Ukraine. I don't weep for any Democrat when the Democrat buffoons just spent three years calling Trump a Russian puppet.
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The Ukraine meddled in the 2016 election against Trump is a Russian-supplied myth:

Charges of Ukrainian Meddling? A Russian Operation, U.S. Intelligence Says
Moscow has run a yearslong operation to blame Ukraine for its own 2016 election interference. Republicans have used similar talking points to defend President Trump in impeachment proceedings.

In a briefing that closely aligned with Dr. Hill’s testimony, American intelligence officials informed senators and their aides in recent weeks that Russia had engaged in a yearslong campaign to essentially frame Ukraine as responsible for Moscow’s own hacking of the 2016 election, according to three American officials. The briefing came as Republicans stepped up their defenses of Mr. Trump in the Ukraine affair.
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Oh yes, Comrade Trump is totally a Putin sock-puppet:
Trump called for the end of the sanctions on Russia.
Trump suggested Russia wasn't responsible for its assassination in Great Britain.
Trump apes Russian talking points about Ukraine hacking the 2016 election, not Russia. Here's how Putin played him like a violin.
Trump lied about a hotel deal in Russia.
Trump continually showers Putin with praise. He said Putin was "so nice," he called Putin a "strong leader" and said Putin has done "a really great job outsmarting our country." Trump also claimed he'd "get along very well" with Putin.
Trump hired Manafort to run his campaign, despite Manafort's decades-long involvement in supporting Moscow-backed politicians in Ukraine, and his close involvement with Russian oligarchs.
During the presidential campaign, Trump broke with US policy and suggested he was OK if Russia kept the Ukrainian territory. He repeated a Kremlin talking point, saying, "The people of Crimea, from what I've heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were."
His news conference with Vladimir Putin in Helsinki was an embarrassment.*His*meeting with the Russian president*came on the heels of Russia’s attempted assassination of a dissident on British soil using banned chemical weapons and the*indictment of 12 Russians for 2016 election meddling. Instead of condemning these actions, Trump publicly sided with Putin over his own intelligence community. When confronted by a journalist about the assassination attempt, he defended Putin while selling out America, saying "there are a lot of killers. Do you think our country is so innocent?"
Trump called NATO, which directly confronts Russia's expansionist desires, "obsolete."
Trump praised Putin for his campaign victory in March, 2018, even though western observers judged it was not fair. In doing so, Trump gave Putin a legitimacy he didn't deserve.
Trump defended Russia's invasion of Afghanistan in 1979, which America spent years opposing.
Trump wants to let Russia back into the G7.
Trump delayed vital defense funds to Ukraine who are in a shooting war with Russia.​
 
Re: "Take her out": Recording of Trump at dinner talking about Ukraine ambassador Marie Yovanovitch

What if...? said:
Nope.

Just when there's an actual plot.

Like a wealthy Ukrainian hiding the DNC servers at their business Crowdstrike, in Ukraine.
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Why are you continuing to spread completely fabricated garbage? Literally nothing you say is true.
 
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mrjurrs said:
Already been investigated, nothing serious enough to continue.
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Investigated by who?
 
Re: "Take her out": Recording of Trump at dinner talking about Ukraine ambassador Marie Yovanovitch

Slyfox696 said:
It really is amazing how willing Trump supporters are to be lied to on a regular basis.

Anything for the cult, I suppose....
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Well, in their defense -- they're dumb and gullible.

:shock:
 
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Khayembii Communique said:
Why are you continuing to spread completely fabricated garbage? Literally nothing you say is true.
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That was sarcasm.

You do know that that is what trump actually asked Zelenskyy as "do us a favor though" right?

:*I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it.*
 
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jpn said:
The Ukraine meddled in the 2016 election against Trump is a Russian-supplied myth:



Oh yes, Comrade Trump is totally a Putin sock-puppet:
yadda yadda yadda
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"after my election I have more flexibility."

"Yes, I will transmit this information to Vladimir,"

Also, funny how suddenly, now that the shooting war is long past, that military aid to Ukraine is super important while under Obama he thought blankets would do the trick.

Oh, and Obama's FBI using Russian propaganda to get FISA warrants to spy on the Trump campaign....

The "Overcharge" button...

... canceling the anti-ICBM deal to please Putin...

And so on.

The Puppet was Obama. He was a very flexible puppet...
 
Re: "Take her out": Recording of Trump at dinner talking about Ukraine ambassador Marie Yovanovitch

Gimmesometruth said:
Politico.
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We have seen what Vogel found. Good thing the truth was printed before the Democrats decided it hurt their narrative.
 
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Jean-s said:
On the evidence, Donald Trump is sunk.
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Fortunately Trump supporters have already concluded that Trump is absolutely innocent, or it can't be proven, or it doesn't matter.

Whatever....

Now the rational for these intellectual giants is a bit fluid. It was one thing yesterday, another today, and will change again tomorrow. Past defenses will conflict with current ones. Past defenses that now prove Trumps guilt with new revelations can be ignored. Freedom is slavery, Truth is Lies, and Trump is innocent.
 
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jmotivator said:
We have seen what Vogel found. Good thing the truth was printed before the Democrats decided it hurt their narrative.
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Vlad, Politico doesn't support this trash from reporters who don't work there any longer....because....it is unsupportable.
 
Re: "Take her out": Recording of Trump at dinner talking about Ukraine ambassador Marie Yovanovitch

W_Heisenberg said:
''Take her out'': Recording appears to capture Trump at private dinner saying he wants Ukraine ambassador fired - ABC News

We now have tapes of Trump's involvement in the plot to remove Yovanovitch from office, and they come from a meeting he had with Parnas, Fruman, and a small group in April 2018.
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"Take her out" is not what an employer says when they intend to fire a subordinate. That implies something much worse.
 
Re: "Take her out": Recording of Trump at dinner talking about Ukraine ambassador Marie Yovanovitch

upsideguy said:
Sorry, that is a set of wild accusations. Let's see some credible cites. If you can't back it up, we get to assume its not true (which most of us have that assumption already)
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This is such a no brainer that it should be given about as much thought as one would give to closing a door. Ambassadors are supposed to
serve the policies of the current demonstration & this one did not and was unceremoniously disposed of. Giuliani need not have reported
on this Obama appointee Yovanovitch, her MO the Trump administration was well aware of. Her job was to execute US foreign policy,
not undermine it, and serve at the current President’s pleasure.

Earlier on numerous complaints came from fellow congressmen about her open anti-Trump views in the lead-up to the election
and subsequently thereafter. She has made financial donations to Democrat candidates but not Republican ones. She had to have been
slated for dismissal over a year ago. Defiance to the Trump admictration was her stock in trade. To assume that a career foreign service officer would not have made negative comments overseas about a Trump victory would take a special kind of denial mechanism. And this – among other things – is EXACTLY what she has denied.
Good riddance!
 
Re: "Take her out": Recording of Trump at dinner talking about Ukraine ambassador Marie Yovanovitch

slick said:
She handed Ukraine's top prosecutor a list of those
not to be charged with crimes. She told the Embassy team not to obey Trump's orders since 'he was going
to be impeached' & rejected the fact that she was running interfernce for Biden & his son, while undermining Trump.
She's a lunatic, how could she have expected to keep her job?

Obama appointed her as the Ambassador to Ukraine, being of Ukraine extract that was her dream job.
If she wanted to continue in that position she should have realized not to defy the positions of the new president.
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Prove it. The person who made this claim, Lutsenko, also could not produce that list. So did he simply memorize it? Why follow it at all? Why not report it? Why not right it down himself right then, dated and witnessed, as future evidence if he thought this was corrupt?

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Re: "Take her out": Recording of Trump at dinner talking about Ukraine ambassador Marie Yovanovitch

Obscurity said:
Rightist hate facts. He could have just fired her. Why did he have to do all the extracuricculars?

I'll wait.
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Someone on MSNBC a while back called her a 'dedicated well respected ambassador' that tantrum wins the Peter Pan Fantasy Land Award!
Trump would had have to be as sluggish in mind as most democrats not to have fired her at first notice & he certainly didn't
have to have a ham & egger like Rudy to dig up dirt on her. Their was enough dirt on her to fill a canyon!
 
Re: "Take her out": Recording of Trump at dinner talking about Ukraine ambassador Marie Yovanovitch

Taylor said:
Just wondering... every time a Democrat gets fired for poor job performance... is it evidence of a "plot" on the part of her boss?
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Then show evidence of "poor job performance". In reality, he could have simply fired her, quoting that he didnt trust her without any further explanation. Instead he tried to smear her, make up crap that isnt supported by any evidence.

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Re: "Take her out": Recording of Trump at dinner talking about Ukraine ambassador Marie Yovanovitch

PoS said:
As POTUS Trump has the authority to appoint and get rid of ambassadors, so this is a nothingburger.
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True to an extent. That extent being covering up illegal actions or abuses of power.

FWIW, Trump's comments sound like a Mafioso ordering a hit. I have zero doubt our President is unfit for office.
 
Re: "Take her out": Recording of Trump at dinner talking about Ukraine ambassador Marie Yovanovitch

W_Heisenberg said:
''Take her out'': Recording appears to capture Trump at private dinner saying he wants Ukraine ambassador fired - ABC News

We now have tapes of Trump's involvement in the plot to remove Yovanovitch from office, and they come from a meeting he had with Parnas, Fruman, and a small group in April 2018.
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It seems to me that this whole question of whether the President had the authority to do what he did is a red herring, which unfortunately, Trump opponents in this thread have followed right along. The issue is not Yovanovich's firing just as such--of course the President has the authority to do that for any reason. The question is whether he was furthering the actions of an unlawful conspiracy in firing her, and the clear answer seems to be that he was. That's what needs to be argued here. Trump had the authority to fire her, sure. He did not have the authority--no President does--to further an illegal conspiracy.
 
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jmotivator said:
"after my election I have more flexibility."
"Yes, I will transmit this information to Vladimir,"
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Discussing arms talks. Big woop.

jmotivator said:
Also, funny how suddenly, now that the shooting war is long past, that military aid to Ukraine is super important while under Obama he thought blankets would do the trick.
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This in no way excuses Trump using it to try to blackmail Ukraine to interfere in our election.

jmotivator said:
Oh, and Obama's FBI using Russian propaganda to get FISA warrants to spy on the Trump campaign....
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"Obama's" FBI? Without the FBI Hillary Clinton would be president today. And the FBI had every reason to suspect that Trump was in cahoots with the Russians.

jmotivator said:
The "Overcharge" button...
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Was a gaff. Not a gift to Putin like trying to remove the sanctions or give away Ukraine.

jmotivator said:
... canceling the anti-ICBM deal to please Putin...
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Israel and most NATO countries in Western Europe approved of the move, news stories show, as they thought the missile system provoked Russia.

Weak beer.
 
Re: "Take her out": Recording of Trump at dinner talking about Ukraine ambassador Marie Yovanovitch

ashurbanipal said:
It seems to me that this whole question of whether the President had the authority to do what he did is a red herring, which unfortunately, Trump opponents in this thread have followed right along. The issue is not Yovanovich's firing just as such--of course the President has the authority to do that for any reason. The question is whether he was furthering the actions of an unlawful conspiracy in firing her, and the clear answer seems to be that he was. That's what needs to be argued here. Trump had the authority to fire her, sure. He did not have the authority--no President does--to further an illegal conspiracy.
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:)

I agree with you 100%, and you've phrased it better than anyone I've ever seen.

I think the problem is we are dealing with people who don't really care that Trump has engaged in acts of corruption. The fact Trump is a corrupt person who does corrupt things does not factor into their own political calculus. They just don't care. And I hate to say it because several of my friends and family members are Trump supporters as well, but it's the honest to God truth.
 
Re: "Take her out": Recording of Trump at dinner talking about Ukraine ambassador Marie Yovanovitch

slick said:
Someone on MSNBC a while back called her a 'dedicated well respected ambassador' that tantrum wins the Peter Pan Fantasy Land Award!
Trump would had have to be as sluggish in mind as most democrats not to have fired her at first notice & he certainly didn't
have to have a ham & egger like Rudy to dig up dirt on her. Their was enough dirt on her to fill a canyon!
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No, there wasn't. Not anything credible. Get this garbage out of here.
 
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Ahlevah said:
Unless. you're a. Biden.
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So where exactly is the evidence that any Biden has lied about any why they did something?

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Re: "Take her out": Recording of Trump at dinner talking about Ukraine ambassador Marie Yovanovitch

TurtleDude said:
want to place a bet how this waste of tax money comes out?
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Whatever it takes to get rid of that orange stain on the face of the nation.
 
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