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Climate refugees cannot be sent back home, United Nations rules in landmark decision

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Climate refugees cannot be sent back home, United Nations rules - CNN

Refugees fleeing the effects of the climate crisis cannot be forced to return home by their adoptive countries, a United Nations panel has ruled, in a landmark decision that could open the door to a flood of legal claims by displaced people around the world.The UN's Human Rights Committee was making a judgment on the case of Ioane Teitiota, who applied for protection from New Zealand after claiming his life was at risk in his home country of Kiribati. The Pacific island is at risk of becoming the first country to disappear under rising sea levels.
The committee ruled against Teitiota on the basis that his life was not at imminent risk -- but it also outlined that countries could violate people's international rights if they force them back to countries where climate change poses an immediate threat.
"Without robust national and international efforts, the effects of climate change in receiving states may expose individuals to a violation of their rights," its ruling said.
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Here we go- expect millions of people to proclaim that their islands are sinking (even thought theyre not) all in the name of climate change, so that they can go to other countries and get free money, homes, and healthcare. The scam is on.
 
Agreed, this will be weaponized very quickly.
 
Just need to demonstrate that there is some sort of bad thing happening due to a slightly warmer world.

You would think that would be easy.
 
PoS said:
Here we go- expect millions of people to proclaim that their islands are sinking (even thought theyre not) all in the name of climate change, so that they can go to other countries and get free money, homes, and healthcare. The scam is on.
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I fail to see the controversy. If someone claims asylum on the basis their life is at risk but it isn't, they'll loose in court, which is exactly what happened here. I suspect the story is on the base of the panel making the factual statement that if the claimants life was at risk they would have a legitimate asylum claim and that they lost on the basis of facts, not policy.
 
HonestJoe said:
I fail to see the controversy. If someone claims asylum on the basis their life is at risk but it isn't, they'll loose in court, which is exactly what happened here. I suspect the story is on the base of the panel making the factual statement that if the claimants life was at risk they would have a legitimate asylum claim and that they lost on the basis of facts, not policy.
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I'm not sure how more people didn't get this point? I mean, clearly the article title was click bait, but, having read the article it seems like a fair decision to me.

Of course, as per the article, countries with historically racist immigration policies like Australia object to such rulings.
 
This feels like a Christian thread. Like things Jesus would say to his disciples.
 
yet another reason why the US needs to stay heavily engaged in the UN. so that we can veto this nonsense.

this is the UN once again trying to take away national sovereignty.
 
In an American court this portion of his decision would be considered dicta and meaningless. Has nothing to do with the case before them.
 
ludin said:
yet another reason why the US needs to stay heavily engaged in the UN. so that we can veto this nonsense.

this is the UN once again trying to take away national sovereignty.
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The UN has no authority on anything. They pose absolutely no threat to anyone's sovereignty. Nothing the UN ever passes is binding on any nation - unless that nation adopts the UN covenant as one of its treaties. Which in the US requires a two-thirds vote from the Senate and signature of the President. Furthermore, no treaty may be ratified that violates the US Constitution.

This ruling has absolutely no bearing on US immigration policy and will change absolutely nothing.
 
ludin said:
yet another reason why the US needs to stay heavily engaged in the UN. so that we can veto this nonsense.
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You want to veto the right to life?
 
MTAtech said:
Islands don’t sink. The sea rises around them. Denying that this is happening is mere hackery. We see it with our own eyes!
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Both occurs. You just attribute it all to sea rise.
 
CaughtInThe said:
This feels like a Christian thread. Like things Jesus would say to his disciples.
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And behold, the water rises to meet ye, with glorious catches of fish. And should your fields flood, plant rice, and walk across the water to thy neighbors to share your bounty!
 
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The United Nations has NO authority to erase or control any country's border. I don't give a damn what the United Nations says about anything. It is an organization of the most evil, murderous and corrupt dictators and tyrants on earth.
 
All refugees should be refused entry into the USA for their own protection from being in this evil, racist country headed by a Nazi dictator and controlled by white supremacist Klansmen - according to the Democratic Party. They should flee their sea level rising 3 inches to one of the Democratic Party's favored countries: China, North Korea, Iran and Russia.
 
MTAtech said:
Islands don’t sink. The sea rises around them. Denying that this is happening is mere hackery. We see it with our own eyes!
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That's not entirely accurate. These are low lying atolls, and a coral reef (which was low to begin with). Their primary issue now is coastal erosion and loss of farmable land near the coast - as well as not enough freshwater due to seawater contamination - which is what's going to happen in a heavily populated atoll. They also attribute much of the current sea level change (per the article) to a cyclical ocean change caused by the shifting of el nino and la nina - an issue for islands in general, which has a greater impact on low lying island land.
 
PoS said:
Climate refugees cannot be sent back home, United Nations rules - CNN



Here we go- expect millions of people to proclaim that their islands are sinking (even thought theyre not) all in the name of climate change, so that they can go to other countries and get free money, homes, and healthcare. The scam is on.
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Interesting, especially as Kiribati is GROWING in size, not 'sinking'.

The Nation of Kiribati is Growing, Not Sinking | The Stream
Kiribati Has Actually Grown

In contrast to those claims, the authors of a 2010 paper in the journal Global and Planetary Change used aerial and satellite photographs to conduct “the first quantitative analysis of physical changes” in 27 central Pacific coral reef islands. This included those in Kiribati.

The study examined four islands in Tarawa over periods of 31–65 years and found that:

all four islands exhibited an increase in island area. Notably the three urbanized islands of Betio, Bairiki and Nanikai increased in area by 30, 16.3 and 12.5% respectively. Buariki in the north of the atoll exhibited an increase of 2%.

The study also found that these circumstances are not unique to Kiribati, and among the 43 islands surveyed:

43% remained stable.
15% decreased in area, with changes ranging from 3% to 14%.
43% increased in area, with changes ranging from 3% to 30%.

In the words of the paper, the “results of this study contradict widespread perceptions that all reef islands are eroding in response to recent sea level rise.”

Likewise, the authors of a 2013 paper in the journal Sustainability Science used aerial and satellite photographs to examine “changes in shoreline position on the majority of reef islands” in Tarawa from 1943 to 2007. They found that these islands “substantially increased in size” and:

Despite the widely held perception that reef islands around the perimeter of coral atolls are eroding and will disappear as a consequence of sea-level rise resulting from global warming, this study shows that the total area of reef islands on Tarawa Atoll has increased over recent decades.
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