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    Re: Climate refugees cannot be sent back home, United Nations rules in landmark decision

    Quote Originally Posted by W_Heisenberg View Post
    Read this article and watch the animated image below this quote:

    "There's one chart often used to argue to the contrary, but it's got some serious problems, and ignores most of the data."

    How reliable are climate models?
    Your video doesn't address the chart I posted. And yes the chart is based upon satellite data and balloon measurements and ignores the land based temperature sets that are subject to significant adjustments. And yes I am aware if you ignore the satellite and balloon data sets and only use the land based measurements AFTER adjustments and walla, there is the warming. Primarily found in the adjustments.

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    Re: Climate refugees cannot be sent back home, United Nations rules in landmark decision

    Quote Originally Posted by W_Heisenberg View Post
    It's not a rhetorical question. I am asking an actual question.
    No, you are introducing your next strawman to slay.

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    Re: Climate refugees cannot be sent back home, United Nations rules in landmark decision

    Quote Originally Posted by W_Heisenberg View Post
    To be honest, I don't really care that you think I need to personally craft 100% of my argument. And if this is a problem for you then don't respond. I don't need to play by the rules you set. I can listen to you, and take your advice into account, but I'm not going to not link to stuff, okay? Posting to external links is helpful. It saves me time. And despite my general desire to engage in discussions about this topic, I don't get paid to write this sh*t and I have to use my time efficiently.



    I do not believe this, but it's not relevant as it pertains to the discussion between you and me.

    I am willing to read "lots of stuff" and you seem willing to read "lots of stuff" so what do you want me to read?



    Show me this link, and I will set aside time to read it of you think it's relevant, okay?

    And tell me what it is about the IPCC you would like to discuss. What is it that you have a problem with? What is it that you like about it? What is it that you don't like about it. So on and so forth.



    So, what aspect of human-caused global warming do you disagree with?



    You can use a similar tool for Holland if you want:

    EarthTime



    Why are you running away from the idea of looking at the Earth as a whole?

    Isn't that more important than some specific place? I am sure you already know that the sea levels of specific areas of the world's various coasts can differ significantly from one place to another.



    You don't like this? What's wrong with this answer?



    My comment is supported by science. It's just not the answer you wanted.



    No. I don't want to.

    I care more about all future centuries than just this century, and I care more about all future generations than just this current generation.

    But if you have a question as it pertains to this century I will entertain it.



    What is it that you think I have no clue about exactly?



    Mostly from:

    1. Thermal expansion of the ocean.

    2. Melting of land-based ice.



    Would you like to be more specific about what you mean by credibly reliable (which is what I think you were trying to type)?



    Again: "My question to you is pretty simple...how much and how quickly of an alteration in our atmosphere must be predicted before you decide that this is a problem we have to deal with....assuming, of course, you are concerned about more than just events that will occur within your lifetime?"



    I think we must look at specific locations. That's what most scientists do because no single human being, nor even a group of human beings, not even their various data collection instruments, can be everywhere at once. However, it's important to keep in mind that the sea levels of specific locations can be higher or lower than the global average. What is most important is the global average. That is why we need to synthesize all the data from all the various locations to help us understand the bigger picture.

    I understand why you want to confine your argument to a specific place.

    You want to look at one specific place where sea levels are falling, and say, "See! See! The sea levels aren't rising! Don't believe the scientists!"

    The thing is I don't really care about your argument. Nor do I care about my own argument.

    What I care about is the truth.

    And you know that just confining our perspective to one specific place does not give us the global perspective we need to determine what is happening to the entire planet, as a whole.
    https://www.debatepolitics.com/envir...ccs+5th+report (IPCC' 5th report)

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    Re: Climate refugees cannot be sent back home, United Nations rules in landmark decision

    All of the energy from the sun that hits the Earth goes somewhere...where exactly do you think this energy goes?

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Except that the pressure broadening described in their papers does not exists where the pressure is lower.
    The CO2 in the upper layers of the atmosphere still absorbs infrared energy at various wavelengths and bounces it back towards the surface of the Earth even though the pressure broadening we observe at the surface of the Earth isn't a factor.

    Since the 13.5 to 16 um bands were 100% blocked within 10 miles of the surface, there are no remaining photons at those wavelengths to be absorbed by any CO2 present.
    In response:

    One further objection has been raised to the carbon dioxide theory: the atmosphere is completely opaque at the center of the carbon dioxide band and therefore there is no change in the absorption as the carbon dioxide amount varies. This is entirely true for a spectral interval about one micron wide on either side of the center of the carbon dioxide band. However, the argument neglects the hundreds of spectral lines from carbon dioxide that are outside this interval of complete absorption. The change in absorption for a given variation in carbon dioxide amount is greatest for a spectral interval that is only partially opaque; the temperature variation at the surface of the Earth is determined by the change in absorption of such intervals.
    Carbon Dioxide and the Climate | American Scientist

    FYI, because of an extremely long lifetime of the 667 CM-1 state, most of the CO2 energy loss is through collision,
    not re emission, Since the collision energy reductions are not likely with other CO2 molecules, the resulting
    energy states are likely outside CO2's tight bands.
    Okay, let Venus know it doesn't matter how much CO2 you pump into a planet's atmosphere.



    Surface temp: 867 F

    Composition of Atmosphere by volume: 96.5% carbon dioxide

    Venus - Wikipedia
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    Re: Climate refugees cannot be sent back home, United Nations rules in landmark decision

    The full report, the summary, or is there some other document you want to talk about?

    And what do you specifically want to talk about?
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    Re: Climate refugees cannot be sent back home, United Nations rules in landmark decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post
    https://www.debatepolitics.com/envir...post1071212812 (Why I'm a "denier")

    Post 142. 2 days ago;



    How can anybody be this dishonest?? Although divorced from reality might be a better description.

    The only explaination I can think of is that there are anumber of people using the same account. Is this some sort of paid for Troll thing where they job share?

    If anybody has any other explaination please enlighten me.
    Minoring in physics means I am a physicist?

    Only in a troll's mind would it mean that.

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    Re: Climate refugees cannot be sent back home, United Nations rules in landmark decision

    Quote Originally Posted by W_Heisenberg View Post
    The full report, the summary, or is there some other document you want to talk about?

    And what do you specifically want to talk about?
    I would like to talk about any place, a single local authority, with some sort of significant population, which is going or is having some sort of significant trouble from slightl;y warmer world.

    You choose.

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    Re: Climate refugees cannot be sent back home, United Nations rules in landmark decision

    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Minoring in physics means I am a physicist?

    Only in a troll's mind would it mean that.

    You still did not do it.

    If you did you would know about specheat capacity.

    Try another test;

    How are the equations of motion derived?

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    Re: Climate refugees cannot be sent back home, United Nations rules in landmark decision

    Quote Originally Posted by W_Heisenberg View Post
    All of the energy from the sun that hits the Earth goes somewhere...where exactly do you think this energy goes?



    The CO2 in the upper layers of the atmosphere still absorbs infrared energy at various wavelengths and bounces it back towards the surface of the Earth even though the pressure broadening we observe at the surface of the Earth isn't a factor.



    In response:



    Carbon Dioxide and the Climate | American Scientist



    Okay, let Venus know it doesn't matter how much CO2 you pump into a planet's atmosphere.



    Surface temp: 867 F

    Composition of Atmosphere by volume: 96.5% carbon dioxide
    All the energy from the Sun eventually makes it back out to space!

    CO2 in the upper atmosphere can ONLY absorb photons within CO2 narrow absorption band,
    your own quote said,
    This is entirely true for a spectral interval about one micron wide on either side of the center of the carbon dioxide band.
    Lets check how wide 1 micron is on ether side of the center band.
    that is a spectral range of 625 cm-1 to 714 cm-1, test show the complete absorption really goes to 13.5 um. or 740 cm-1.

    While CO2 can absorb very selected energy bands, and can re emit energy as the energy state decays, it does not "bounce" energy.

    Everyone keeps bringing up Venus, but would Venus have a similar temperature if it had the same atmospheric density made up of some other gas
    like nitrogen or Argon?

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    Re: Climate refugees cannot be sent back home, United Nations rules in landmark decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post
    I would like to talk about any place, a single local authority, with some sort of significant population, which is going or is having some sort of significant trouble from slightl;y warmer world.

    You choose.
    I have answered this many times.

    You dont like the answer....but you got it already

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