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    'We donít have the votes': Graham says push to dismiss impeachment articles right away is 'dead'

    Sen. Lindsey Graham said Republicans would hold a full impeachment trial because they do not have the votes to dismiss charges against President Trump immediately.
    "Have you given up on the idea that the Senate Republican majority is going to vote to dismiss this case right away?" Fox News host Chris Wallace asked Graham Sunday.

    "That's dead for practical purposes," the South Carolina Republican responded. "The idea of dismissing the case early on is not going to happen. We don’t have the votes for that."
    Source: (Washington Examiner) We don’t have the votes': Graham says push to dismiss impeachment articles right away is 'dead'

    With this loss, it appears Trump & McConnel have fully capitulated to actually having a trial.

    Looks like Round 1 went to Pelosi, and soon we'll see who gets Round 2 (witnesses).
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    Re: 'We donít have the votes': Graham says push to dismiss impeachment articles right away is 'dead'

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Source: (Washington Examiner) We don’t have the votes': Graham says push to dismiss impeachment articles right away is 'dead'

    With this loss, it appears Trump & McConnel have fully capitulated to actually having a trial.

    Looks like Round 1 went to Pelosi, and soon we'll see who gets Round 2 (witnesses).
    Despite the suggestion it could happen, I never expected it would.

    The Republican's (IMO most anyway) want to give the impression of a fair process, in contrast to the "unfair" process leading to a purely partisan vote in the House to Impeach.

    I expect McConnel to push for a vote of not guilty after whatever evidence is entered by the House and the President's defense team.

    I am not sure that there will be many actual witnesses, but one never knows.
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    Re: 'We donít have the votes': Graham says push to dismiss impeachment articles right away is 'dead'

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Despite the suggestion it could happen, I never expected it would.

    The Republican's (IMO most anyway) want to give the impression of a fair process, in contrast to the "unfair" process leading to a purely partisan vote in the House to Impeach.

    I expect McConnel to push for a vote of not guilty after whatever evidence is entered by the House and the President's defense team.

    I am not sure that there will be many actual witnesses, but one never knows.
    the "unfair process in the House" was all right wing smear.

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    Re: 'We donít have the votes': Graham says push to dismiss impeachment articles right away is 'dead'

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Source: (Washington Examiner) We don’t have the votes': Graham says push to dismiss impeachment articles right away is 'dead'

    With this loss, it appears Trump & McConnel have fully capitulated to actually having a trial.

    Looks like Round 1 went to Pelosi, and soon we'll see who gets Round 2 (witnesses).
    Dismissing the impeachment outright was always the least likely outcome. More likely is they'll vote to keep out relevant evidence and witnesses. We'll see.

    What I find fascinating is how little interest in legacy they have. They want the imprimatur of respectability that acquittal brings with it, yet are determined to trash that imprimatur at every available opportunity.

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    Re: 'We donít have the votes': Graham says push to dismiss impeachment articles right away is 'dead'

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Dismissing the impeachment outright was always the least likely outcome. More likely is they'll vote to keep out relevant evidence and witnesses. We'll see.

    What I find fascinating is how little interest in legacy they have. They want the imprimatur of respectability that acquittal brings with it, yet are determined to trash that imprimatur at every available opportunity.
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    Re: 'We donít have the votes': Graham says push to dismiss impeachment articles right away is 'dead'

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Source: (Washington Examiner) We don’t have the votes': Graham says push to dismiss impeachment articles right away is 'dead'

    With this loss, it appears Trump & McConnel have fully capitulated to actually having a trial.

    Looks like Round 1 went to Pelosi, and soon we'll see who gets Round 2 (witnesses).
    Always good to see a whore like Lindsey confronted with a hard truth.
    Well, he see this one particularly hot chick and not does she bag he slackjawed, but he lets a "Whoa" slip out

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    Re: 'We donít have the votes': Graham says push to dismiss impeachment articles right away is 'dead'

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    One of the traits of a power-hungry person or group is their interest in maintaining their power, right now, regardless of the long-term consequences.
    What they want is the respectability of an institution while trashing it simultaneously. Probably the strongest example of this is the DOJ. Trump knew that if he could subvert the DOJ to his will he'd have a powerful tool for persecuting his political enemies, and that the announcement of any such investigation would carry incredible significance and gravitas. But the thing is that the DOJ has (had) such respectability because it was not utilized as a tool of naked, political aggression. So now the DOJ has just announced an investigation into Comey, and rather than getting the "Oh man, Comey is in trouble now" response they were hoping for, the country is roundly laughing at them instead.

    And so here we are now with the Senate phase of impeachment. They want the gravitas that comes with acquittal, but since they've acted so completely unseriously with their responsibilities...going so far as to announce on television that they wouldn't be impartial...that nobody can take such an acquittal seriously.

    The fact is that an institution is only as serious as the seriousness the current occupant imbues it with, and Republicans are painfully ignorant of that.
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    Re: 'We donít have the votes': Graham says push to dismiss impeachment articles right away is 'dead'

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Despite the suggestion it could happen, I never expected it would.

    The Republican's (IMO most anyway) want to give the impression of a fair process, in contrast to the "unfair" process leading to a purely partisan vote in the House to Impeach.

    I expect McConnel to push for a vote of not guilty after whatever evidence is entered by the House and the President's defense team.

    I am not sure that there will be many actual witnesses, but one never knows.
    I might agree with all your points. The quantity of witnesses will be substantially dependent upon the public fervor the Dems can build. If they don't get the public moving, McConnel would be well served to end this as quickly as possible, rather than allow it to fester as it currently is.
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    Re: 'We donít have the votes': Graham says push to dismiss impeachment articles right away is 'dead'

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Dismissing the impeachment outright was always the least likely outcome. More likely is they'll vote to keep out relevant evidence and witnesses. We'll see.

    What I find fascinating is how little interest in legacy they have. They want the imprimatur of respectability that acquittal brings with it, yet are determined to trash that imprimatur at every available opportunity.
    Legacy? They long since have given up any of the noble qualities that could make for a positive legacy!

    If the story were to become a book, it might be called: "Profiles in Cowardice"
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    Re: 'We donít have the votes': Graham says push to dismiss impeachment articles right away is 'dead'

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    I might agree with all your points. The quantity of witnesses will be substantially dependent upon the public fervor the Dems can build. If they don't get the public moving, McConnel would be well served to end this as quickly as possible, rather than allow it to fester as it currently is.
    Well, as you probably know, my problem has been with this idea that the accused has some duty to prove their innocence.

    My position is that it is up to the prosecution to show guilt, and the defense only needs to counter any evidence that points to actual guilt.

    IMO Trump's best defense is to stay off the stand, put as few rebuttal witnesses on as necessary, and let the Senate vote on the what the House presented.
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