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    Re: 'We don’t have the votes': Graham says push to dismiss impeachment articles right away is 'dea

    Quote Originally Posted by Rexedgar View Post
    ...or the grifter defense.

    Sen. Cornyn: There have been a "series of grifters" associated with Trump campaign - Axios


    Cornyn criticized Democrats for wanting to "rest their case" on someone "under indictment in the Southern District of New York with extensive ties to Russian oligarchs and organized crime."


    Trump is presently “under indictment.”
    Here’s another one Clinton should have used. “It’s the fault of the world. The world is a mean place.”

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    Re: 'We don’t have the votes': Graham says push to dismiss impeachment articles right away is 'dead'

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I suppose in theory a more stupid sentence could be written.

    "Despite Vegans think eating meat is a crime, my client did not commit a crime eating a hamburger." Your conclusion, that client committed the crime of eating a hamburger.

    "Abuse of power" is just a political slogan, nothing else. It is anything anyone with any power does that another person doesn't like. Nothing else.
    I seriously doubt that defense is going to get much traction....


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    A person acting or purporting to act in an official capacity or taking advantage of such actual or purported capacity commits a misdemeanor if, knowing that his or her conduct is illegal, he or she:

    (a) Subjects another to arrest, detention, search, seizure, mistreatment, dispossession, assessment, lien or other infringement of personal or property rights; or

    (b) Denies or impedes another in the exercise or enjoyment of any right, privilege, power or immunity.
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    Re: 'We don’t have the votes': Graham says push to dismiss impeachment articles right away is 'dead'

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Source: (Washington Examiner) We don’t have the votes': Graham says push to dismiss impeachment articles right away is 'dead'

    With this loss, it appears Trump & McConnel have fully capitulated to actually having a trial.

    Looks like Round 1 went to Pelosi, and soon we'll see who gets Round 2 (witnesses).
    I figured that out from McConnell’s remarks earlier in the week, when his rhetoric stopped referring to the trial in theoretical terms. It was a small change in rhetoric. But, it’s the kind of small change that communicates to the political class very clearly.

    The noise machine has been rocked back on its heels by the Parnas interviews. Especially as they were accompanies by documents, and resisted almost as many questions as they answered.

    Everyone knows that there’s a lot more where that came from. And few doubt, that the Chinese water torture of revelations will continue to drip day by day, throughout the impeachment trial.

    Which essentially negates the arguments against having witnesses. The only reason that Trump’s team doesn’t want them, is to keep them from having to admit what went on, or take the Fifth before the whole world.

    It’s going to be on everyone’s screens and front pages either way.

    Parnas has been trying to spill the beans since the moment he and Igor got pinched trying to skip the country after having lunch with Crazy Uncle Rudy at the boss’ hoteL

    It’s a mark of Pelosi’s astounding political skill that she was able to withold it for use for maximum political advantage.

    It effectively insured that witnesses will be allowed at the impeachment trial.

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    Re: 'We don’t have the votes': Graham says push to dismiss impeachment articles right away is 'dead'

    Quote Originally Posted by TomFitz View Post
    I figured that out from McConnell’s remarks earlier in the week, when his rhetoric stopped referring to the trial in theoretical terms. It was a small change in rhetoric. But, it’s the kind of small change that communicates to the political class very clearly.

    The noise machine has been rocked back on its heels by the Parnas interviews. Especially as they were accompanies by documents, and resisted almost as many questions as they answered.

    Everyone knows that there’s a lot more where that came from. And few doubt, that the Chinese water torture of revelations will continue to drip day by day, throughout the impeachment trial.

    Which essentially negates the arguments against having witnesses. The only reason that Trump’s team doesn’t want them, is to keep them from having to admit what went on, or take the Fifth before the whole world.

    It’s going to be on everyone’s screens and front pages either way.

    Parnas has been trying to spill the beans since the moment he and Igor got pinched trying to skip the country after having lunch with Crazy Uncle Rudy at the boss’ hoteL

    It’s a mark of Pelosi’s astounding political skill that she was able to withold it for use for maximum political advantage.

    It effectively insured that witnesses will be allowed at the impeachment trial.
    Yeah - Pelos's really looking like the skilled player, here. She is doing a lot with what she's got, given the power structure she's going-up against in Trump-McConnell. I'm sure any incoming or progressive Dem rep that thought it was time for new blood holding the gavel, is now happy as hell Pelosi was chosen - and would not want the job if offered!
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    Re: 'We don’t have the votes': Graham says push to dismiss impeachment articles right away is 'dea

    Quote Originally Posted by Rexedgar View Post
    ...or the grifter defense.

    Sen. Cornyn: There have been a "series of grifters" associated with Trump campaign - Axios


    Cornyn criticized Democrats for wanting to "rest their case" on someone "under indictment in the Southern District of New York with extensive ties to Russian oligarchs and organized crime."


    Trump is presently “under indictment.”

    That’s actually hilarious! Especially when you consider that when John Cornyn was Texas Attorney General when Casino Jack Abramoff was busy shaking down Indian casinos for the Republican Congressional Campaign Committee!

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    Re: 'We don’t have the votes': Graham says push to dismiss impeachment articles right away is 'dead'

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Source: (Washington Examiner) We don’t have the votes': Graham says push to dismiss impeachment articles right away is 'dead'

    With this loss, it appears Trump & McConnel have fully capitulated to actually having a trial.

    Looks like Round 1 went to Pelosi, and soon we'll see who gets Round 2 (witnesses).
    Lets be real about this. Whichever side you fall on, there should be a trial. Lets have the discussion and both sides need to accept letting the chips where they fall.

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    Re: 'We don’t have the votes': Graham says push to dismiss impeachment articles right away is 'dead'

    Quote Originally Posted by TomFitz View Post
    I figured that out from McConnell’s remarks earlier in the week, when his rhetoric stopped referring to the trial in theoretical terms. It was a small change in rhetoric. But, it’s the kind of small change that communicates to the political class very clearly.

    The noise machine has been rocked back on its heels by the Parnas interviews. Especially as they were accompanies by documents, and resisted almost as many questions as they answered.

    Everyone knows that there’s a lot more where that came from. And few doubt, that the Chinese water torture of revelations will continue to drip day by day, throughout the impeachment trial.

    Which essentially negates the arguments against having witnesses. The only reason that Trump’s team doesn’t want them, is to keep them from having to admit what went on, or take the Fifth before the whole world.

    It’s going to be on everyone’s screens and front pages either way.

    Parnas has been trying to spill the beans since the moment he and Igor got pinched trying to skip the country after having lunch with Crazy Uncle Rudy at the boss’ hoteL

    It’s a mark of Pelosi’s astounding political skill that she was able to withold it for use for maximum political advantage.

    It effectively insured that witnesses will be allowed at the impeachment trial.
    Parnas doesn’t want to end up in Federal custody and have another ‘perfect storm,’ Ala Epstein.
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    Re: 'We don’t have the votes': Graham says push to dismiss impeachment articles right away is 'dead'

    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    Lets be real about this. Whichever side you fall on, there should be a trial. Lets have the discussion and both sides need to accept letting the chips where they fall.

    Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk
    Yep.



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    Re: 'We don’t have the votes': Graham says push to dismiss impeachment articles right away is 'dead'

    Quote Originally Posted by Rexedgar View Post
    Parnas doesn’t want to end up in Federal custody and have another ‘perfect storm,’ Ala Epstein.
    FYI - It was recently announced the Feds claim they lost the tape of Epstein's (first?) suicide attempt.
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    Re: 'We don’t have the votes': Graham says push to dismiss impeachment articles right away is 'dead'

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    FYI - It was recently announced the Feds claim they lost the tape of Epstein's (first?) suicide attempt.
    How many things had to be just so?

    1) Guards didn’t do their rounds.
    2) Epstein wasn’t on suicide watch, (just been removed, iirc)
    3) Had a sheet; I went to juvie solitary and they made me give up my shoelaces.
    4) Epstein had recently been injured, self-inflicted?
    5) No video

    I miss any?
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