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    Trump lawyer says a president cannot be impeached for abusing his power

    Attorney Alan Dershowitz said on Sunday the argument that a president cannot be impeached for abusing his power is a “strong one” that has been successful in the past.

    Dershowitz, who's serving as legal counsel for President Trump's defense team in the Senate impeachment trial, told George Stephanopoulos on ABC’s “This Week” that he is following in the footsteps of Justice Benjamin Curtis who defended President Andrew Johnson. He said Curtis had argued that proof of a crime was necessary for a president to be removed from office.

    “So I am making an argument much like the argument made by the great Justice Curtis,” he said. “And to call them absurdist is to, you know, insult one of the greatest jurists in American history. The argument is a strong one. The Senate should hear it.”

    He said the constitutional framers worried about “giving Congress too much power” to weaponize impeachment on a partisan basis, adding that abuse of power is too “open-ended.”

    Alan Dershowitz: Argument president cannot be impeached for abusing power a 'strong one' | TheHill



    Alan Dershowitz is very left wing. He's defending Trump because he thinks the impeachment charges are 100% partisan and bogus.

    Do you think the impeachment charges are bogus?

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    Re: Trump lawyer says a president cannot be impeached for abusing his power

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    Attorney Alan Dershowitz said on Sunday the argument that a president cannot be impeached for abusing his power is a “strong one” that has been successful in the past.

    Dershowitz, who's serving as legal counsel for President Trump's defense team in the Senate impeachment trial, told George Stephanopoulos on ABC’s “This Week” that he is following in the footsteps of Justice Benjamin Curtis who defended President Andrew Johnson. He said Curtis had argued that proof of a crime was necessary for a president to be removed from office.

    “So I am making an argument much like the argument made by the great Justice Curtis,” he said. “And to call them absurdist is to, you know, insult one of the greatest jurists in American history. The argument is a strong one. The Senate should hear it.”

    He said the constitutional framers worried about “giving Congress too much power” to weaponize impeachment on a partisan basis, adding that abuse of power is too “open-ended.”

    Alan Dershowitz: Argument president cannot be impeached for abusing power a 'strong one' | TheHill



    Alan Dershowitz is very left wing. He's defending Trump because he thinks the impeachment charges are 100% partisan and bogus.

    Do you think the impeachment charges are bogus?
    To say that a sitting president cannot be impeached for committing abuse of power is dangerous. You Trump supporters do not want to hold Trump accountable for his abuses. You all have set the bar so low now that a Dem president can do ANYTHING he wants to abuse or not because you all have excused ANYTHING Trump does.
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    Re: Trump lawyer says a president cannot be impeached for abusing his power

    Quote Originally Posted by swing_voter View Post
    Attorney Alan Dershowitz said on Sunday the argument that a president cannot be impeached for abusing his power is a “strong one” that has been successful in the past.

    Dershowitz, who's serving as legal counsel for President Trump's defense team in the Senate impeachment trial, told George Stephanopoulos on ABC’s “This Week” that he is following in the footsteps of Justice Benjamin Curtis who defended President Andrew Johnson. He said Curtis had argued that proof of a crime was necessary for a president to be removed from office.

    “So I am making an argument much like the argument made by the great Justice Curtis,” he said. “And to call them absurdist is to, you know, insult one of the greatest jurists in American history. The argument is a strong one. The Senate should hear it.”

    He said the constitutional framers worried about “giving Congress too much power” to weaponize impeachment on a partisan basis, adding that abuse of power is too “open-ended.”

    Alan Dershowitz: Argument president cannot be impeached for abusing power a 'strong one' | TheHill



    Alan Dershowitz is very left wing. He's defending Trump because he thinks the impeachment charges are 100% partisan and bogus.

    Do you think the impeachment charges are bogus?
    Let's hear from all the players around trump, those with firsthand info, then I'll make up my mind. If the whole purpose is to find the truth, how does having no witnesses or documents presented help?

    Hell no the charges are not bogus. He's lucky there were only two charges.
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    Re: Trump lawyer says a president cannot be impeached for abusing his power

    Quote Originally Posted by swing_voter View Post
    Attorney Alan Dershowitz said on Sunday the argument that a president cannot be impeached for abusing his power is a “strong one” that has been successful in the past.

    Dershowitz, who's serving as legal counsel for President Trump's defense team in the Senate impeachment trial, told George Stephanopoulos on ABC’s “This Week” that he is following in the footsteps of Justice Benjamin Curtis who defended President Andrew Johnson. He said Curtis had argued that proof of a crime was necessary for a president to be removed from office.

    “So I am making an argument much like the argument made by the great Justice Curtis,” he said. “And to call them absurdist is to, you know, insult one of the greatest jurists in American history. The argument is a strong one. The Senate should hear it.”

    He said the constitutional framers worried about “giving Congress too much power” to weaponize impeachment on a partisan basis, adding that abuse of power is too “open-ended.”

    Alan Dershowitz: Argument president cannot be impeached for abusing power a 'strong one' | TheHill



    Alan Dershowitz is very left wing. He's defending Trump because he thinks the impeachment charges are 100% partisan and bogus.

    Do you think the impeachment charges are bogus?
    I think the current ones are. I am sure that he has done things that I would support impeachment for, just not this thing.

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    Re: Trump lawyer says a president cannot be impeached for abusing his power

    Quote Originally Posted by swing_voter View Post
    Attorney Alan Dershowitz said on Sunday the argument that a president cannot be impeached for abusing his power is a “strong one” that has been successful in the past.

    Dershowitz, who's serving as legal counsel for President Trump's defense team in the Senate impeachment trial, told George Stephanopoulos on ABC’s “This Week” that he is following in the footsteps of Justice Benjamin Curtis who defended President Andrew Johnson. He said Curtis had argued that proof of a crime was necessary for a president to be removed from office.

    “So I am making an argument much like the argument made by the great Justice Curtis,” he said. “And to call them absurdist is to, you know, insult one of the greatest jurists in American history. The argument is a strong one. The Senate should hear it.”

    He said the constitutional framers worried about “giving Congress too much power” to weaponize impeachment on a partisan basis, adding that abuse of power is too “open-ended.”

    Alan Dershowitz: Argument president cannot be impeached for abusing power a 'strong one' | TheHill



    Alan Dershowitz is very left wing. He's defending Trump because he thinks the impeachment charges are 100% partisan and bogus.

    Do you think the impeachment charges are bogus?
    There is some truth to that. With the checks and balances, it is rather difficult for a president to actually abuse his power. If he is able to do something then he apparently had the power to do it or he wouldn't have been able to do it.

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    Re: Trump lawyer says a president cannot be impeached for abusing his power

    Quote Originally Posted by swing_voter View Post
    Attorney Alan Dershowitz said on Sunday the argument that a president cannot be impeached for abusing his power is a “strong one” that has been successful in the past.

    Dershowitz, who's serving as legal counsel for President Trump's defense team in the Senate impeachment trial, told George Stephanopoulos on ABC’s “This Week” that he is following in the footsteps of Justice Benjamin Curtis who defended President Andrew Johnson. He said Curtis had argued that proof of a crime was necessary for a president to be removed from office.

    “So I am making an argument much like the argument made by the great Justice Curtis,” he said. “And to call them absurdist is to, you know, insult one of the greatest jurists in American history. The argument is a strong one. The Senate should hear it.”

    He said the constitutional framers worried about “giving Congress too much power” to weaponize impeachment on a partisan basis, adding that abuse of power is too “open-ended.”

    Alan Dershowitz: Argument president cannot be impeached for abusing power a 'strong one' | TheHill



    Alan Dershowitz is very left wing. He's defending Trump because he thinks the impeachment charges are 100% partisan and bogus.

    Do you think the impeachment charges are bogus?
    They are absolutely bogus and should horrify any American that respects the Constitution. Democrats are abusing their House majority like a bunch of single-party authoritarians in a sham effort to overturn the 2016 presidential election.
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    Re: Trump lawyer says a president cannot be impeached for abusing his power

    Abuse of power is a more general term for a President that uses the powers of the presidency for corrupt purposes. It is not intended to be a criminal charge because it is not the job of the Congress to determine what criminal charges a President should face (if any), but whether their use of the Presidency constitutes a "high crime" or "misdemeanor" against the nation.

    Nixon was never accused of burglary, he was accused of abuse of power. Clinton also was presented with an abuse of power article, but it failed to pass in the House during the vote.

    It is also just a flat out lie to say the framers intended to keep impeachment narrow. They left it open ended because not many statutory laws existed, and knew there were a million ways to abuse the presidency.

    Dershowitz arguments are idiotic.

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    Re: Trump lawyer says a president cannot be impeached for abusing his power

    Alan Dershowitz: Trump Could Give Away Alaska And Be Protected By SCOTUS |
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    “ Assume Putin decides to ‘retake’ Alaska, the way he ‘retook’ Crimea. Assume further that a president allows him to do it, because he believed that Russia has a legitimate claim to ‘its’ original territory… That would be terrible, but would it be impeachable? Not under the text of the Constitution.”

    “That would be terrible, but would it be impeachable?”

    I’m no legal scholar, but these two scenarios are troubling.

    Aside: Dershowitz has distanced himself from the legal team of POTUS, saying he is arguing the Constitution, wouldn’t that put Dershowitz in the ‘witness’ category.
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    Re: Trump lawyer says a president cannot be impeached for abusing his power

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    There is some truth to that. With the checks and balances, it is rather difficult for a president to actually abuse his power. If he is able to do something then he apparently had the power to do it or he wouldn't have been able to do it.
    That’s some brilliant reasoning there!
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    Re: Trump lawyer says a president cannot be impeached for abusing his power

    Quote Originally Posted by swing_voter View Post
    Attorney Alan Dershowitz said on Sunday the argument that a president cannot be impeached for abusing his power is a “strong one” that has been successful in the past.

    Dershowitz, who's serving as legal counsel for President Trump's defense team in the Senate impeachment trial, told George Stephanopoulos on ABC’s “This Week” that he is following in the footsteps of Justice Benjamin Curtis who defended President Andrew Johnson. He said Curtis had argued that proof of a crime was necessary for a president to be removed from office.

    “So I am making an argument much like the argument made by the great Justice Curtis,” he said. “And to call them absurdist is to, you know, insult one of the greatest jurists in American history. The argument is a strong one. The Senate should hear it.”

    He said the constitutional framers worried about “giving Congress too much power” to weaponize impeachment on a partisan basis, adding that abuse of power is too “open-ended.”

    Alan Dershowitz: Argument president cannot be impeached for abusing power a 'strong one' | TheHill



    Alan Dershowitz is very left wing. He's defending Trump because he thinks the impeachment charges are 100% partisan and bogus.

    Do you think the impeachment charges are bogus?
    IMO Dershowitz is correct. The charges are vague and too open to interpretation.

    Article I "Abuse of Power" tries to lump accusations of bribery, extortion, etc., into the vague "abuse of power" heading. This was done (IMO) in hopes they would be able to demand witnesses appear before the Senate expecting such testimony would prove those crimes. It is the "fishing expedition" allegation. They KNOW they rushed the process for political reasons. Now they want to use the Senate trial to find something, and if they can't, then cast blame on the Senate for not being "fair."

    Article II "Obstruction of Congress" is a made-up crime. Based on opposition to the SCOTUS determination of the existence of Executive Privilege. IMO the Democrats are trying to claim that during Impeachment no such Executive Privilege exists. But you don't do that in an Impeachment trial, you argue that in the Court during the Impeachment process before you reach a determination on what to charge the President with.
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