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Nunes aide communicated with Parnas about Ukraine campaign, messages show

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eohrnberger said:
Quite true. If the source is Parnas, isn't he presently indicted for fabricating documents and lying? So clearly not a reliable source of information.

So to the Democrats, Parnas is Cohen redux. I suspect it'll turn out much the same.

Agreed.

Of course not. It aligns with the Democrat's preferred political narrative, and that's all that matters, facts and reality be damned.
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Nunes has admitted to the "contact" with Parnas. And there's a way to verify his aid's story - call him to testify under oath, and call Parnas under oath, and have the Barr DoJ verify the texts since they have had access to Parnas' phones for weeks. If he's made it up, Barr's people can simply prove it under oath in the trial!

Seems so simple even Trump's lawyers and the GOP Senate could get this right.
 
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Mycroft said:
Why would you think Barr has anything to do with this?
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He's the AG last time I checked, and head of DoJ, FBI. The U.S. Attorneys are all Trump appointees, who in turn along with the line prosecutors and investigators work for BARR who works for TRUMP.
 
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JasperL said:
He's the AG last time I checked, and head of DoJ, FBI. The prosecutors and investigators work for BARR who works for TRUMP.
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The DOJ isn't the one releasing this "evidence".
 
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JasperL said:
Nunes has admitted to the "contact" with Parnas. And there's a way to verify his aid's story - call him to testify under oath, and call Parnas under oath, and have the Barr DoJ verify the texts since they have had access to Parnas' phones for weeks. If he's made it up, Barr's people can simply prove it under oath in the trial!

Seems so simple even Trump's lawyers and the GOP Senate could get this right.
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So, tell the House managers to subpoena Parnas. But don't hold your breath waiting for them to do that. They won't.

The defense has no reason to subpoena the guy. They'll just ignore what he says.

And guess where that leaves you: Hanging in the breeze with a nothingburger.
 
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Mycroft said:
The DOJ isn't the one releasing this "evidence".
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Right, they sat on it like good little Trump bootlickers. What is also true is the DOJ has the originals, the phones, and so has the evidence and can prove Parnas a liar, if he's fabricated the evidence, with no effort at all. They can verify phone records, travel records, etc. The DoJ has lots of power and resources, all of them at the command of Barr, and Trump.
 
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JasperL said:
Right, they sat on it like good little Trump bootlickers. What is also true is the DOJ has the originals, the phones, and so has the evidence and can prove Parnas a liar, if he's fabricated the evidence, with no effort at all. They can verify phone records, travel records, etc. The DoJ has lots of power and resources, all of them at the command of Barr, and Trump.
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Okay. But why would they?
 
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JasperL said:
Nunes has admitted to the "contact" with Parnas. And there's a way to verify his aid's story - call him to testify under oath, and call Parnas under oath, and have the Barr DoJ verify the texts since they have had access to Parnas' phones for weeks. If he's made it up, Barr's people can simply prove it under oath in the trial!

Seems so simple even Trump's lawyers and the GOP Senate could get this right.
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If you want to call Nunes to testify, I'd expect Schiff to do the same.

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When it comes to the credibility of Lev Parnas, it's true. Nothing that Parnas said in the Maddow interview should be taken at face value.

After all, he was willing to associate with Trump and his henchmen which itself shows a lack of moral integrity.

As Michele Goldberg notes, one good thing about surrounding yourself with tawdry gangsters and grifters is that if they flip on you, you can claim they have no credibility because they’re criminals.
 
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Mycroft said:
That's nonsense. There is only one person who presides in a committee hearing, and it's not the ranking member.
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Me I am waiting for Hyde to be interviewed by the FBI, and he will turn on Nunes
 
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Mycroft said:
Those documents MIGHT be lies. If they are, then Nunes might not be lying.

In any event, what makes you think Nunes had any contact with that criminal who's trying to save his ass?

That's like saying that Schiffty had contact with Ciaramella...which Schiffty continues to deny.

Or...like all progressives, liberals and Trump haters are you pretending not to know things?
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Its really easy to determine if text messages are real.

The phone company records.

I guess y'all will just make up a conspiracy where that aides phone was hacked so they could send fake text messages over it.

Of course that would require a time machine.

But that hasn't stopped y'all before.
 
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Mycroft said:
So, tell the House managers to subpoena Parnas. But don't hold your breath waiting for them to do that. They won't.

The defense has no reason to subpoena the guy. They'll just ignore what he says.

And guess where that leaves you: Hanging in the breeze with a nothingburger.
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You do know that the Senate is so far telling Democrats they cannot call fact witnesses like Parnas, right?
 
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JasperL said:
You do know that the Senate is so far telling Democrats they cannot call fact witnesses like Parnas, right?
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You can't have a trial without witnesses!
 
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eohrnberger said:
If you want to call Nunes to testify, I'd expect Schiff to do the same.

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I was referring to Nunes' aid. Bad writing on my part. And so far the GOP Senate is saying HELL NO to such requests for any fact witnesses, and certainly any new ones, such as Bolton.

But I am tired of people on the right claiming victory of some sort when Trump (or the GOP in this case with Parnas) prohibits witnesses from testifying and you guys point to lack of evidence, which Trump/GOP prohibited/refused to provide.

Here the person I responded to wants to claim no evidence, while those WITH the evidence, which would be DoJ and Parnas and Nunes and the aid are prevented from presenting it under oath. It's nonsense, BS, of course.
 
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Chomsky said:
It's time for Pelosi to impeach his ass, too.
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Why just his butt? How about all of him. I think Pelosi should go a step further. Impeach EVERY republican for being a traitor and not voting to impeach someone all democrats hate. I suggest this process be done en masse late late. Thus he can have a pure congress in 2021.
 
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joko104 said:
The hypocrisy by nearly every progressive Democrat on the forum I've seen and by the Democratic Party is this:

The Democratic officials and persons within various federal agencies - all using federal money to do so - are seeking information from foreign governments against Trump, his staff and Republican officials - and this is GREAT investigatory work, the best task of our government.

However, if the Republicans do exactly the same thing seeking information from foreign governments against their opponents and Democratic officials, it is not only basis for removal from office, but a major felony crime.

And, BTW, what Joe Biden did for his son was A-OK. And Obama himself agreed to this because Joe Biden said the President did.

It doesn't get any more absurdly hypocritical.
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Boy! Obama had some real juju.

He got the IMF, Great Britain, and scads of Ukrainian citizens to all pretend they wanted Shokin out as prosecutor.

All to protect Biden's kid.

Plausible, right?
 
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Mycroft said:
And they base this entire hypocrisy on uncorroborated stuff from a guy who is desperate to make any deal that'll save his ass from prison.

The Trump administration has said that Parnas is 100% false. The Ukrainians have called him a liar. But that doesn't matter to the Trump haters. To them, it's a crime...even if it's not...and they are all guilty...even if there's no proof.
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Boy, I hope you never become a judge and preside over any child molestation trials.

Because simple denial is exculpatory evidence as far as you're concerned.
 
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JasperL said:
So far the GOP Senate is saying HELL NO to such requests. That dispute has been in the news for a couple of weeks now. Surprised you haven't noticed.
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I'm well aware of where the GOP Senate stands on this issue, and they have a point. The investigation and hearings about the investigation is conducted by the House. The Senate hears their conclusions and votes on the matter. This is as outlined in the Constitution specific to the impeachment process. The demand from the House Democrats to make the Senate call witnesses doesn't seem to have a Constitutional basis. The House Democrats had every opportunity to subpoena whichever witnesses they thought they needed to hear from, but didn't, and want the Senate to make up for their slip-shod work. :shrug:

My point is that if Democrats want to call Nunes to testify WRT to his contact with Parnas, I'd fully expect Schiff to also be called to testify about this contact with the whistle blower Ciaramella. No more of this BS one sided crap the House Democrats foisted as a legitimate impeachment process.

After all, they both had contact with person(s) which had roles in how we got to this point.
 
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Mycroft said:
I think you don't really know nearly as much as you say you know. I haven't seen any of this corroboration. I haven't seen any of this sworn testimony. Like me, I don't think you have any idea what kind of deal he might be making with SDNY.

But unlike you, I don't think he'll step foot in the Senate chamber. The Trump haters aren't that stupid. His credibility will be shredded if he does. The best the Trump haters can do is refer to these "documents" you think he has, but that won't be enough.

No...the Trump haters know the only value of this Parnas nonsense is in the media...and that's where it'll stay.
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When you whistle past the graveyard is the tune "It Wasn't Me" by Shaggy?
 
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Mycroft said:
I don't have to prove it was fabricated. In fact, I'm not saying it is. I'm saying that it could be. I'm saying that the motivation to fabricate this stuff exists. It's up to those presenting that "evidence" to prove that it is factual.
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So you're kinda praying.

Got it.
 
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JasperL said:
Did you forget it's the GOP running the Senate trial, and can subpoena him to appear, and he's said he will? And Barr's DoJ seized his phones. They have the originals. Why would he fabricate something Barr's people can prove is false because they are in possession of the actual documents/texts/phone records? Is your argument Barr is a "Trump hater" or the DoJ Deep State is working against the AG? It makes no sense at any level.
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Crap.

Those phones will turn out to have accidently been smashed with hammers.

I keep forgetting his deep the "fix" goes.
 
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JasperL said:
Barr is going to reward him for falsely attacking his boss? :lamo
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Hey give Mycroft a break.

We all have bad days at work...
 
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Mycroft said:
The DOJ isn't the one releasing this "evidence".
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But it is the only entity that can "reward" parnas.

Unless you're talking about unlimited money on his books for soups and coffee.
 
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Mycroft said:
Okay. But why would they?
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Because independents can read.

There's only so far you can push people to turn a blind eye to wrongdoing. Even when all they care about is abortion or gun ownership.

At some point this is going to start affecting the independents' polling. If and when it does, the tune will change. They might kick trump to the curb as no longer useful to their donors' agendas and hang their hats on pence instead, flushing trump down one of his gold toilets.
 
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jpn said:
When it comes to the credibility of Lev Parnas, it's true. Nothing that Parnas said in the Maddow interview should be taken at face value.

After all, he was willing to associate with Trump and his henchmen which itself shows a lack of moral integrity.

As Michele Goldberg notes, one good thing about surrounding yourself with tawdry gangsters and grifters is that if they flip on you, you can claim they have no credibility because they’re criminals.
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Yet many a mobster or drug cartel member has gone down because someone rolled over.
 
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Cardinal said:
And as usual, when Republicans accuse Democrats of something, they're announcing what they're already doing or plan on doing. When Nunes demanded that Schiff testify, I should have known that what he was really saying is that he needed to testify.
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This is what I find most amazing about Republican officials and pundits, even moreso than their general immorality or amorality, or general lack of a moral compass, or just the general inclination to be terrible people most of the time, they are doing the exact same thing they've been accusing Democrats of doing.

I think Hannity is a great example of this:

Fox News' Sean Hannity Has Deep Ties To Trump’s Orbit, Secret Mueller Memos Show

— Sean Hannity has never been shy about using his highly rated Fox News show to express his disdain for former special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election and the president’s efforts to obstruct the inquiry.

But hundreds of pages of documents released to BuzzFeed News reveal the depths of the conservative firebrand’s relationship with key members of President Donald Trump’s orbit as they faced a vast criminal investigation conducted by Mueller’s team over two years. The documents, turned over by the Justice Department and FBI in response to a BuzzFeed News Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, also raise ethical questions about Hannity’s role as a trusted adviser to the president’s circle at the height of Mueller’s inquiry — something the television host failed to disclose to his millions of viewers.

In Mueller’s published report, Hannity is mentioned just a handful of times, often in relation to comments guests made on his show. But in the documents — interview summaries with key witnesses that informed the report's narrative, known as 302s — Hannity is mentioned more than a dozen times and emerges as a central point of contact between the president’s allies who were under investigation and Trump himself. BuzzFeed News will receive thousands more pages of interview summaries with other witnesses in the months ahead.
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Hannity constantly talks about the media being "fake news" and in bed with the "deep state" but then they turn around and do this stuff?

Hannity is where most Trump supporters get their news!
 
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