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More pizza, fewer vegetables: Trump administration further undercuts Obama school-lunch rules

Glitch said:
Okay, so unions ensure the skill-less get paid more than minimum wage. It just means that in some cases they are well-paid skill-less workers who cook crap and feed it to children. All the more reason to abolish all public unions.
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My grandmother was a baker. She made all those fluffy school rolls from scratch. And there is no lunch lady union in my city LOL but keep at it. These decisions are made at the white collar school administrative and local politician levels, or above, not by those evil no skill cafeteria workers with their satanic hairnets.
 
trixare4kids said:
Was this in a public school, where doughnuts were brought in? Sounds wonderful.

First two years in a Catholic school. We brought our lunch but we could buy orange crush, grape soda or root beer for lunch instead of having milk.

After we moved to the suburbs from Chicago proper, I went to public schools, Grades 3-6, and I used to walk home for lunch and my mom always had something wonderful for me.

It was in middle school where I remember brown bagging it and food getting stuck in my braces. LOL!
HS, we either brought lunch or bought it. I was always on a diet and mostly ate something light, but I remember these huge cookies that came out of the oven a few days a week. They were a big hit.
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Catholic School. Saint Dennis. 1-8 It was! I forgot my lunch one time. Told my teacher (nun). She told me not to worry and follow her. I thought I was going to eat lunch with the nuns. She took me to a big room filled with tables and chairs. Then she left and after some time brought me food and then left again. Ate lunch alone. When lunch time was over she returned and I followed her back to the classroom.

Attended (public) Bogan High School. Didn’t like public school. Did like hanging out at the malt shop after school. Ate food and drank malts there and hung out with friends.

What flavor of cookies?

Roseann:)
 
Glitch said:
That is the difference what someone who cares about their craft can do. This chef obviously has a love for ingredients and treats them with respect, ensuring that they are prepared in the best possible way. The mark of a great chef. He is also an anomaly. The overwhelming majority of those preparing school lunches are working for minimum wage and don't give a damn about cooking at all. It is just a paycheck to them.
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For Christ's sake. "Great chefs" are always going to be an 'anomaly'. Simply because they are few and far between. But there are a great many people whom are being paid minimum wage that get up early each morning to prepare the meals for hundreds of school Kids each day and do it lovingly because many of them are parents themselves. Despite not being adequately rewarded for their efforts and loyalty.
 
Glitch said:
Interesting. Do you think the food prejudice was based on color or taste? I've heard that children can have hyper-sensitive taste which mellows with age. So that some kids may not like certain foods (particularly spicy foods) until they get older and their taste-buds have adapted to a wider range of flavors. However, I couldn't say whether or not it was true.
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I don't know the answer to that one. All I know is my kids hated green veggies since they were babies till they got to the ages of 8 or so until they would start eating some like peas and green beans, broccoli as long as it was covered in cheese sauce and actually liked them. By that time they liked salad but not everything that was in it. So they would pick and choose what they liked. I would throw a handful or so of spinach in the salad after cutting off the stems and called it lettuce. They ate it. They really liked making their own salads topping them with cheese and croutons and their favorite dressing. Watching them eat a salad made me feel good.
 
AProudLefty said:
Yep but we can't make the parents do that.
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True, there are some parents that can’t be made to do that...

Please note: There are parents of children who attend public schools that do encourage there children to be productive and active at home and school.

Perhaps, the schools could provide that kind of encouragement for the children who’s parents can’t be made to do that via educating them about productivity and activity being helpful to their well being and their future after leaving school.

Roseann:)
 
CharisRose said:
True, there are some parents that can’t be made to do that...

Please note: There are parents of children who attend public schools that do encourage there children to be productive and active at home and school.

Perhaps, the schools could provide that kind of encouragement for the children who’s parents can’t be made to do that via educating them about productivity and activity being helpful to their well being and their future after leaving school.

Roseann:)
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Agreed. Which is why gym classes are vital, even though they hate them. Lord knows I've hated them. :lamo
 
Glitch said:
If they wanted to the tools to produce a decent meal they would have learned how to cook properly from the beginning. Their purpose is to put very badly prepared food in front of children who have no choice but to eat their slop. Why put any more effort than pushing a microwave button into preparing some kid their food when it isn't necessary? You are trying to compare a profession who is paid minimum wage because they are utterly skill-less and hate their job, to a gourmet chef who loves his craft. One is reality, the other isn't.
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Well that’s not true. School cafeteria workers are unionized and padding their paychecks with tax money.

They make more then McDonalds workers for providing worse food. Go look at the menu of any public school today and tell me in all seriousness we couldn’t outsource to Ronald and have better food at lower cost
 
CharisRose said:
True, there are some parents that can’t be made to do that...

Please note: There are parents of children who attend public schools that do encourage there children to be productive and active at home and school.

Perhaps, the schools could provide that kind of encouragement for the children who’s parents can’t be made to do that via educating them about productivity and activity being helpful to their well being and their future after leaving school.

Roseann:)
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I believe physical education is required in every school.
 
Diesel said:
Chef goes from haute cuisine to creating affordable, nutritious school lunches | TheHill

Better and less expensive than McDonald's.
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Nothing in your source indicates the cost, Only the chefs indication of cost and it also references that schools likely couldn’t hire enough professionally trained chefs to make such a program work. and also it doesn’t provide nutrition information at all, so you cannot factually assert it is healthier.

It also indicates there is a problem with the feds simply mandating nutrition standards set by central planning, which should be totally abolished
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Nothing in your source indicates the cost, Only the chefs indication of cost and it also references that schools likely couldn’t hire enough professionally trained chefs to make such a program work. and also it doesn’t provide nutrition information at all, so you cannot factually assert it is healthier.

It also indicates there is a problem with the feds simply mandating nutrition standards set by central planning, which should be totally abolished
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Is that a serious response?

Now, he’s crafting meals that cost around $3.40 — the amount the*federal government refunds schools per lunch. The portion of that budget that goes toward food, after the expenses of staff, equipment and transportation, is only about $1.30.

On top of that, the meals must adhere to federal nutritional guidelines that dictate each must contain a minimum of half a cup of fruit a day, three-quarters of a cup of vegetables and an ounce of meat or meat alternative.

I said better and less expensive food can be served to students than McDonald's. Your claim to the contrary is absurd.
 
trixare4kids said:
Let the peasants eat crap while her two dined like princesses at Sidwell.
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Thanks for the link to the Sidwell menu.

Yes, the peasants should be happy eating the crap food provided for them in public schools because they may begin to think that someday they may make it in America and dine like Princesses instead of remaining peasants.

School Princesses need peasants to clean their chamber pots. Plant, harvest and deliver their food. Cook their food. Serve their meals. Wash dishes. Mop floors.

Peasants have their place and that place is to serve Princesses not dream about becoming Princesses some day.

Note: Parents who want their children to attend charter schools instead of public schools are stifled because their doomed peasant children may begin to dream about being Princesses instead of serving Princesses.

So happy seeing those parents fight the public school system for their children to attend Charter Schools and hoping they win that fight for the future of their children having a better life!

imho Roseann:)
 
CharisRose said:
Thanks for the link to the Sidwell menu.

Yes, the peasants should be happy eating the crap food provided for them in public schools because they may begin to think that someday they may make it in America and dine like Princesses instead of remaining peasants.

School Princesses need peasants to clean their chamber pots. Plant, harvest and deliver their food. Cook their food. Serve their meals. Wash dishes. Mop floors.

Peasants have their place and that place is to serve Princesses not dream about becoming Princesses some day.

Note: Parents who want their children to attend charter schools instead of public schools are stifled because their doomed peasant children may begin to dream about being Princesses instead of serving Princesses.

So happy seeing those parents fight the public school system for their children to attend Charter Schools and hoping they win that fight for the future of their children having a better life!

imho Roseann:)
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Do you want to discuss the 'Princes', such as judge Kavanaugh who attended a private school for Boys (AKA Princes). With a menu like this on a Sunday!

January 22,2020

BREAKFAST
Continental Breakfast



BRUNCH
Omlette Bar
Belgian Waffles with Toppings
Scrambled Eggs
Bacon
Carved Meat
Home Fried Potatoes
Vegetable Medley

Lite Fair
Chopped Kale
Chopped Baby Spinach
8 Assorted Low Calorie Salads

Alternative Diet Options
Brown Rice
Sticky Rice
Pasta & Sauce
Gluten-Free Pasta ( available upon request)


DINNER
Chicken Marsala
Torellini with Pesto
Green Bean Provencal
Sundae Bar
 
trixare4kids said:
To wear the clothes like I wore back in the late sixties and early seventies, eating light was the only way to go.

It didn't look good to be a hippy hippie. :giggling:
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My hippie days... wore the same pair of tight jeans without any bulges due to excess weight. And, due to multiple washings they developed worn out areas that eventually ripped. Went to the swap meet bought hippie patches to sew over the holes. Butterflies, make love not war, peace signs...etc. eventually there were more patches than jean material. Wore tie-dyed t-shirts or backless tops held together by two strings. One around the neck tied behind the neck and the other tied behind the back. No bra. Long hair. Braided headband. No makeup. Just a little blue flower painted on my right cheek. Moccasins. Went to Disneyland wearing the backless top, they said I couldn’t enter the park wearing that top. Told me I could enter if I bought a T-shirt, so I bought a t-shirt.

Interesting that you were imagined to be overweight based on mentioning cookies and that you happened to diet via eating light. Dieting and eating light is a way many women keep their weight in check in order to fit in their skinny clothing.

Roseann:)
 
Atomic Kid said:
Yeah but we aren't talking about private schools here. Are we dear? So what do you say we stay on topic here?
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I understand why you prefer not comparing public schools to private schools. Makes public schools look bad in comparison.

Are we dear? I don’t think so. So the answer is No we are not dear, since we don’t even know each other good enough to use that term of endearment.

Perhaps, I may have misunderstood the use of the word dear and it was meant to be dismissive.

Please, enlighten me concerning the use of the word dear in that question.

Roseann:)
 
Gondwanaland said:
But they can entice them to eat them, by cooking them in a tasty dish.....
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Yes, but they didn’t make them tasty or even look appetizing. Why do you suppose they didn’t put in the extra effort to accomplish making a tasty dish or to look appetizing?

Roseann:)
 
Gondwanaland said:
You get what you pay for, hun. Pay minimum wage, get crappy wannabe cooks who know how to throw glop into an oven and frozen stuff in a microwave. Spend a bit more, you'll get better meals by people who know what they're doing. Instead of funneling millions into a new football stadium that a fraction of the kids will use, how about funneling it into something they'll all use AND benefit from. Like the food program, with healthy foods. This ain't rocket science.
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Even a good chef would have difficulty making a good tasty meal if all they had to work with is glop you throw in an oven and frozen stuff you put in a microwave.

You seem to be blaming the cooks as being the problem calling them crappy wannabes and not placing any blame on the supplies they must use and then expecting those cooks to turn them into tasty healthy meals.

Roseann:)
 
Gondwanaland said:
Like I said, you get what you pay for. Pay minimum wage, get crappy wannabe cooks who know how to throw glop into an oven and frozen stuff in a microwave. Spend a bit more, you'll get better meals by people who know what they're doing. Instead of funneling millions into a new football stadium that a fraction of the kids will use, how about funneling it into something they'll all use AND benefit from. Like the food program, with healthy foods. This ain't rocket science.

In france, kids get full 3+ course meals (cooked by actual chefs and cooks trained how to cook, present, etc..), served on plates restaurant style, with gorgeous food and tasty dishes, instead of glop on trays that look like they belong in a prison. How is it that we've become such a ****ty country that even the French are doing it better by orders of magnitude?
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And I’m sure those French chef’s get the type of supplies that make it possible to create gorgeous food and tasty dishes.

Ignoring the type of supplies that those U.S. public schools are providing will never solve the problem and blaming the cooks is unfair.

Roseann:)
 
Gondwanaland said:
I'll let you count.
USDA ERS - Go to the Atlas

And yes it does, if we have any care for our children's future, their education (can't learn when your body is starving), and the future of our nation.
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I have no idea what this is, and it doesn't seem to care if the reader can decipher it.

Just name 1 so-called food desert. Why is that so hard?
 
Drawdown said:
My grandmother was a baker. She made all those fluffy school rolls from scratch. And there is no lunch lady union in my city LOL but keep at it. These decisions are made at the white collar school administrative and local politician levels, or above, not by those evil no skill cafeteria workers with their satanic hairnets.
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Here’s the problem we should not be stereotyping the whole group of public school cafeteria workers as all being unskilled or just working for paychecks... etc.

It’s not fair to the many skilled workers that love their job and do their best in spite of the inadequate supplies and stupid rules they are required to adhere to and then blame them for something they have no control over.

I’m sure there are some workers that are unskilled and hate their job and are only in the job for a pay check that doesn’t make every single worker in the same group that type of worker.

imho Roseann:)
 
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ecofarm said:
I've got news for you: Fat people, and especially fat children, are WAY more of a problem than da fedz saying no more "scrumptious delicacy glazed with a huge dollop".

You cannot compare obesity, and the trauma it brings this country, with DA FEDZ just because they take away some fat little bastard's cupcake and cookie at the school cafeteria.
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Gondwanaland said:
Like I said, you get what you pay for. Pay minimum wage, get crappy wannabe cooks who know how to throw glop into an oven and frozen stuff in a microwave. Spend a bit more, you'll get better meals by people who know what they're doing. Instead of funneling millions into a new football stadium that a fraction of the kids will use, how about funneling it into something they'll all use AND benefit from. Like the food program, with healthy foods. This ain't rocket science.

In france, kids get full 3+ course meals (cooked by actual chefs and cooks trained how to cook, present, etc..), served on plates restaurant style, with gorgeous food and tasty dishes, instead of glop on trays that look like they belong in a prison. How is it that we've become such a ****ty country that even the French are doing it better by orders of magnitude?
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French kids also get two-hour lunches. Of course the population of France is much smaller than the US, and our school cafeterias are not designed to allow every child a two-hour lunch. Demographics plays a big part, but not wages so much -- most school districts pay their cooks quite a bit more than minimum wage.
 
CharisRose said:
Here’s the problem we should not be stereotyping the whole group of public school cafeteria workers as all being unskilled or just working for paychecks... etc.

It’s not fair to the many skilled workers that love their job and do their best in spite of the inadequate supplies and stupid rules they are required to adhere to and then blame them for something they have no control over.

I’m sure there are some workers that are unskilled and hate their job and are only in the job for a pay check that doesn’t make every single worker in the same group that type of worker.

imho Roseann:)
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Cafeteria work is a good gig for moms with school age children since you are working when they are at school. Before Sam Walton adopted a flexible scheduling model at Walmart it was one of the few jobs that otherwise stay at home moms could get and not have to turn around and spend their money on daycare or sitters or leave kids as latchkey children. In our school system, they enjoy the same sort of mandatory pay raises based on years of service as many government employees. You may start off as a MW dishwasher only getting 12-15 hours a week, but over time, you can put on some serious hourly rates for that level labor. Anyway, there is usually a waiting list for women wanting the job.
 
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