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More pizza, fewer vegetables: Trump administration further undercuts Obama school-lunch rules

Hatuey said:
Try it for three meals a day for 30 days. Give us a call after that. It's a balanced diet, right? You should be as strong as an ox by day 30 with no forseeable health issues after that.

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It’s been done as a documentary, ask Morgan Spurlock’s doctor!


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trixare4kids said:
Need a tissue?
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What was that tripe about adding constructive things to the conversation? Guess that was one of those good ole 'Requirements for thee but not for me', eh?
 
Rexedgar said:
It’s been done as a documentary, ask Morgan Spurlock’s doctor!


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That's literally what I was referring to. Anyone who thinks Super Size me didn't warn people about believing empty carbs, high sodium, high corn syrup diet is 'balanced' was probably too stupid to have sat through an hour and a half of a pasty guy talking without a single explosion.



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Hatuey said:
Republicans: Kids should tell us what to eat! They want the delicious stuff. They get the choice! Omg you lib Trump haters.
Kids: Okay, we want stronger gun legislation and climate change initiatives to protect future generations.
Republicans: These are just ****ing kids. Dont listen to these snowflakes. The adults should make the decisions.

The Republican party is what Idiocracy warned us about.

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You're right on that one.
 
trixare4kids said:
Funny how during her reign, her own two daughters were eating like royalty at their private school, Sidwell.
The rest of the nation's children, well, ... let them eat crap.
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Sidwell can afford to source food and ingredients from anywhere, which isn't the case in public schools. The financial burden of sourcing fruit in Wisconsin and grains where they're not grown in Florida etc. You get the idea. It's not realistic.
 
Gondwanaland said:
What was that tripe about adding constructive things to the conversation? Guess that was one of those good ole 'Requirements for thee but not for me', eh?
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Really, do you?
 
Over 1.4 million kids decide against school lunch each day. We've got to make school food both nutritious AND tasty. Access Denied

Perdue "took an important step to making school meals edible again," Bakst told The Daily Signal. "The federal school meal standards implemented by the Obama administration have been a disaster, creating massive plate waste and imposing high costs on schools."

Perdue's action, Bakst said, is significant for both parents and kids.

"This issue isn't about nutrition," Bakst said Monday, adding:

It's about whether one believes the federal government should dictate almost every aspect of what kids eat at schools, or if local communities, with the input of parents, should make these decisions.

Today was certainly a big win for kids across the country, but it was also a big win for those who respect the opinions of parents more than those of federal bureaucrats.

Why Have Michelle Obama's Healthy School Meals Been Junked?

And that to me is the bottom line; bolded above.
 
Acadia said:
Not true. Further, cooking vegetables can make many of them more digestible and nutrients more available to the body.
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Most vegetables start losing nutrients as soon as they are harvested, one reason flash frozen vegetables on the farm have an advantage to fresh produce. Vegetables offer the most when eaten raw, and lightly cooked for those that are difficult to digest break down sufficient cellulose for extraction of remaining nutrients. Overcooking vegetables destroy nutrients, and flavonoids where the antioxidants reside. Blanching most vegetables is sufficient for making them more digestible, and reserving the fluid for broths preserve the nutrients when they are concentrated. Only dried vegetables, like beans truly benefit from long cooking, releasing the natural accrued toxins and steaming them off. Learn the biochemistry and the myths are history.
 
trixare4kids said:
Green beans are the only beans actually on the Fodmap diet for IBS but all vegetables for IBS patients usually have to be cooked.
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I have unfortunately become acquainted...
Thanks for putting a fine point on the issue. Ever eat too much raw veg? Painful! Cooking vegetable is a good thing, and many vegetables AND fruits are not tolerate by as much as 20% of children's GI systems.
What does that leave them with??
Not enough calories.
Carbs are readily-accessible energy for the brain.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Most vegetables start losing nutrients as soon as they are harvested, one reason flash frozen vegetables on the farm have an advantage to fresh produce. Vegetables offer the most when eaten raw, and lightly cooked for those that are difficult to digest break down sufficient cellulose for extraction of remaining nutrients. Overcooking vegetables destroy nutrients, and flavonoids where the antioxidants reside. Blanching most vegetables is sufficient for making them more digestible, and reserving the fluid for broths preserve the nutrients when they are concentrated. Only dried vegetables, like beans truly benefit from long cooking, releasing the natural accrued toxins and steaming them off. Learn the biochemistry and the myths are history.
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Your statement was still patently false.
 
trixare4kids said:
Over 1.4 million kids decide against school lunch each day. We've got to make school food both nutritious AND tasty. Access Denied

Perdue "took an important step to making school meals edible again," Bakst told The Daily Signal. "The federal school meal standards implemented by the Obama administration have been a disaster, creating massive plate waste and imposing high costs on schools."

Perdue's action, Bakst said, is significant for both parents and kids.

"This issue isn't about nutrition," Bakst said Monday, adding:

It's about whether one believes the federal government should dictate almost every aspect of what kids eat at schools, or if local communities, with the input of parents, should make these decisions.

Today was certainly a big win for kids across the country, but it was also a big win for those who respect the opinions of parents more than those of federal bureaucrats.

Why Have Michelle Obama's Healthy School Meals Been Junked?

And that to me is the bottom line; bolded above.
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Next we'll be arguing about that elusive orange completely void of nutrients!
Of course it's about the voracious appetite for control of the Left.
 
Blanching vegetables until fork tender. Yeah...that'll work in a school cafeteria, lol!
What is this? Top Chef?
 
OldFatGuy said:
Most vegetables start losing nutrients as soon as they are harvested, one reason flash frozen vegetables on the farm have an advantage to fresh produce. Vegetables offer the most when eaten raw, and lightly cooked for those that are difficult to digest break down sufficient cellulose for extraction of remaining nutrients. Overcooking vegetables destroy nutrients, and flavonoids where the antioxidants reside. Blanching most vegetables is sufficient for making them more digestible, and reserving the fluid for broths preserve the nutrients when they are concentrated. Only dried vegetables, like beans truly benefit from long cooking, releasing the natural accrued toxins and steaming them off. Learn the biochemistry and the myths are history.
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Not quite that simple. some veggies simply have trade-offs: more of one type of nutrient when cooked, while more of another type when raw. Tomatoes are a prime example - more vitamin C when raw, and a LOT more bioavailable lycopene when cooked.

asparagus provides more antioxidants when cooked, and also when cooked with a fat in particular (like an oil), it makes fat soluble vitamins A and E in it more available for the person eating.

Many dark leafy greens benefit from at least steaming, as it breaks down oxalates that act pretty much as 'anti nutrients' and interfere with your absorbption of the calcium and iron and other things those leafy greens contain. Cooking mushrooms boots their antioxidants and potassium levels.

There are plenty of other examples. You should be eating a mix of cooked and raw veggies (pften even the same veggies both cooked and raw) to get a full nutritional boost from them. It's not so simple as cooking or not cooking.
 
Acadia said:
Agree with education which is a far cry from issuing federal fiats for ALL schools to follow, mandating what's on the plate.
Beans are a super food...unless you have IBS or the like:lol:
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FHA guidelines are not fiats, no matter what congress decrees. They provide parameters adjustable by local authorities, meaning the schools or local districts themselves. Despite intense lobbying from Conagra, congress has learned to fear the anti cupcake brigades.

It is being estimated that more than 50% of Americans are already obese. The associated healthcare costs are already abysmal. In the absence of local efforts to address this problem, when federal revenue sharing funds school lunches and breakfasts, quality guidelines and parameters are justified. It isn't interdiction of the nanny state, rather it is common sense management prevailing over inaction.
 
"Today, the USDA made the permanent changes we have been seeking to the School Lunch Program. A one-size-fits-all approach to school lunch left students hungry and school districts frustrated with the additional expense, paperwork and nutritional research necessary to meet federal requirements."

SO...changes HAD to be made.
[h=1]1M kids stop school lunch due to Michelle Obama’s standards[/h]
1M kids stop school lunch due to Michelle Obama’s standards - Washington Times

[h=1]Kentucky kids to first lady Michelle Obama: Your food 'tastes like vomit'[/h]https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/28/kentucky-kids-first-lady-your-food-tastes-vomit/
 
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Acadia said:
Sidwell can afford to source food and ingredients from anywhere, which isn't the case in public schools. The financial burden of sourcing fruit in Wisconsin and grains where they're not grown in Florida etc. You get the idea. It's not realistic.
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Wisconsin obesity rates are now at 41% among the highest currently in the nation. Which is of greater expense, importing fresh fruit and vegetables from Florida and California, Mexico or treating the illnesses that develop because of obesity? And it isn't merely about nutrition. Mandated physical education, teaching children to enjoy physical activity is of equal or greater value. This not merely an matter of physical health, but mental and emotional health. How do we teach self respect when the body image fails? The issues are far more complex than the argument of who should control diet suggest.

Do we love our children, or do we love the arguments?
 
Gondwanaland said:
Not quite that simple. some veggies simply have trade-offs: more of one type of nutrient when cooked, while more of another type when raw. Tomatoes are a prime example - more vitamin C when raw, and a LOT more bioavailable lycopene when cooked.

asparagus provides more antioxidants when cooked, and also when cooked with a fat in particular (like an oil), it makes fat soluble vitamins A and E in it more available for the person eating.

Many dark leafy greens benefit from at least steaming, as it breaks down oxalates that act pretty much as 'anti nutrients' and interfere with your absorbption of the calcium and iron and other things those leafy greens contain. Cooking mushrooms boots their antioxidants and potassium levels.

There are plenty of other examples. You should be eating a mix of cooked and raw veggies (pften even the same veggies both cooked and raw) to get a full nutritional boost from them. It's not so simple as cooking or not cooking.
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It is a question of minimal cooking compared to overcooking.
 
VanceMack said:
'Prisoners eat better food': Students hit back at Michelle Obama's school lunch program with pictures of woeful servings | Daily Mail Online

We shouldnt pretend that what the kids were being served under the MoBama school lunch program was exactly appetizing or nutritious.
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Yes, the Daily Mail, of all sources, picking and choosing a few places where they didn't bother to hire people who could cook. This is an argument for actually hiring people who know nutrition, and are trained to cook nutritious, healthy, and tasty, food, to prepare the food our children eat at school. Rather than someone who thinks slapping lettuce on a cheese sandwich makes it 'healthy', and thinks that is 'cooking'.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Wisconsin obesity rates are now at 41% among the highest currently in the nation. Which is of greater expense, importing fresh fruit and vegetables from Florida and California, Mexico or treating the illnesses that develop because of obesity? And it isn't merely about nutrition. Mandated physical education, teaching children to enjoy physical activity is of equal or greater value. This not merely an matter of physical health, but mental and emotional health. How do we teach self respect when the body image fails? The issues are far more complex than the argument of who should control diet suggest.

Do we love our children, or do we love the arguments?
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... but... Driving trucks with produce from Florida to Wisconsin is hard, and it costs money, and some people have a hard time with veggies, and some people have IBS. Try giving someone 5 hours year diets of big macs and pizza instead. The liberals will hate it, but your thighs will love it.



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Gondwanaland said:
Yes, the Daily Mail, of all sources, picking and choosing a few places where they didn't bother to hire people who could cook. This is an argument for actually hiring people who know nutrition, and are trained to cook nutritious, healthy, and tasty, food, to prepare the food our children eat at school. Rather than someone who thinks slapping lettuce on a cheese sandwich makes it 'healthy', and thinks that is 'cooking'.
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You arent stupid enough to believe this was a limited or one off instance. In fact I'm pretty sure you know this was an oft cited common problem that even the Obama administration identified had to be changed because the program was such a failure. take it one step further...Id be willing to bet without rushing to google to look it up you havent got the first clue as to what changes were actually made. Literally the ONLY REASON you and the other leftists rushed to post in this thread and are still defending the indefensible is your mindless hatred of Trump. You are like all the rest. If Trump ever comes out pro breathing you people will suffocate yourselves to spite the man.
 
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