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More pizza, fewer vegetables: Trump administration further undercuts Obama school-lunch rules

trixare4kids said:
The leftist elites want their omniscient government gurus to micro-manage almost every aspect of our lives.
When they gonna' learn to stop trying to dictate what the children of others should eat? Morons.
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It's public school lunches. You think the kids should decide?
 
Gondwanaland said:
You're right. If you're feeding them something that tastes like ****, then stop, and start feeding them healthy foods in a way that taste good. Fire your cooks and hire ones that know what they're doing. Spend a little extra and hire at least an actual trained chef who can head the food program and help train others how to cook. Have the kids involved in a school garden to get them connected to their food. Make things fun for them. Make learning about healthy food fun for them.

This isn't rocket science.
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So why aren't they listening to you?
 
Lovebug said:
Get the kids involved as well. Essay or other competitions that have them come up with innovative ideas. A lot of work, but who knows where it may lead.
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Exactly.
 
Acadia said:
The involvement and decisions should be as local as possible and here's a crazy idea; it should include PARENTS.
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Parents have representation.
 
Decreased student participation: After more than a decade of steadily increasing student participation, the total number of students who ate school lunches dropped by 1.2 million students from the 2010-11 school year to the 2012-13 school year, a decrease of 3.7 percent (Page 15).
Wasted food: States most frequently cited food waste as a challenge in implementing the USDA’s new requirements for the 2012-13 school year. Foods that students are required to take, particularly fruits and vegetables, are often just thrown away. (Page 25-27) The changes have been so unpopular that in one school district students at a middle school and a high school held a 3-week boycott of school lunch.
Schools leaving the program: Three hundred and twenty-one School Food Authorities administering school district lunch programs in 42 states left the National School Lunch Program for the 2012-2013 school year. Twenty-seven of these states reported the new requirements were a factor in their decision. (Page 23) If taxpayers are forced to pay $11.6 billion as they did in 2012 for the school lunch program, it should at least be effective and certainly not so problematic that schools believe they are better off leaving the program.
School Lunch Results Show Why Government Shouldn’t Dictate What Kids Eat
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Cookie cutter does not work when it comes to issuing school lunch fiats across the country.
 
ecofarm said:
It's public school lunches. You think the kids should decide?
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You think the kids should be forced fed to eat food that tastes like ****?
 
trixare4kids said:
So why aren't they listening to you?
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Stupidity, lack of willingness to change, ineptitude, apathy toward the health of children, there's plenty of reasons schools won't change and will continue to harm the children of the nation, letting them leave with pre-diabetes and plaqued arteries.
 
trixare4kids said:
So why aren't they listening to you?
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Because you can't make them, or shove food down kids' throats. The results too many times is inadequate calories and nutrition.
 
Acadia said:
The involvement and decisions should be as local as possible and here's a crazy idea; it should include PARENTS.
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I agree, parents should also be educated on nutrition and ways to make healthy meals. There should be available courses, etc., offered for parents to learn how to cook, learn how to eat healthy, etc.. That's one of the most effective ways of improving the country's health that we could take, the other being feeding tasty and healthy food at school if we're going to have school lunches/breakfasts (and teaching kids and connecting them to their food)
 
Acadia said:
The involvement and decisions should be as local as possible and here's a crazy idea; it should include PARENTS.
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Go back to good old fashioned brown bag lunches packed from home OR hire school cafeteria cooks in the community that know how to dress up healthy foods so kids will eat them instead of the former, tossing them in the trash. Again, I have no problem suggesting that kids eat healthier but you can't force it on them if it's inedible.
 
ecofarm said:
It's public school lunches. You think the kids should decide?
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Well, they are deciding, aren't they?
Look, you can't replace good parenting with government. So many of these kids don't even know what tf they're looking at! Cheese isn't just flat in cellopohane. Potatoes are grown in the ground and don't occur in fry shape. Broccoli should not have to be hidden for kids over the age of 5! If you can chew and digest the food in its natural form, it should remain as recognizable as possible!
Enough with the government control. More parental expectation!
 
Gondwanaland said:
I agree, parents should also be educated on nutrition and ways to make healthy meals. There should be available courses, etc., offered for parents to learn how to cook, learn how to eat healthy, etc.. That's one of the most effective ways of improving the country's health that we could take, the other being feeding tasty and healthy food at school if we're going to have school lunches/breakfasts (and teaching kids and connecting them to their food)
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How would you go about educating parents to the above? Forcing them or suggesting to them?
 
trixare4kids said:
Go back to good old fashioned brown bag lunches packed from home OR hire school cafeteria cooks in the community that know how to dress up healthy foods so kids will eat them instead of the former, tossing them in the trash. Again, I have no problem suggesting that kids eat healthier but you can't force it on them if it's inedible.
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Amen. TRUST the schools and communities can make good decisions for healthy lunches. I bet dollars to broccoli that the outcome will be better than the Federal gov't issuing cookie-cutter fiats.
 
trixare4kids said:
You think the kids should be forced fed to eat food that tastes like ****?
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I don't think that is what anyone is suggestion, eco's comment aside. Forcing kids to eat something they don't like isn't what this is about at all. It is about coming up with tasty and healthy alternatives to the usual school lunches.
It takes a lot of imagination and determination, and change isn't always easy.
On a personal level, we started eating vegetarian food (reason isn't important). To adopt an even healthier diet, we stopped eating refined sugars, most carbs, gluten. We never felt better or had more energy. The trick is to make a healthy yet great tasting meal. Let your imagination run wild.Healthy can taste great.
Kids love to be involved, many love to cook. Now, I still would offer some of the usual lunch stuff, like the nuggets and such, but make alternatives so appealing, they should prefer it over the greasy and salty stuff.
 
Acadia said:
Why do you think cafeteria workers are idiots?
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I mean, you yourself literally linked to and quoted an article interviewing a cafeteria worker who seemed puzzled as to why kids weren't eating their 'cups of vegetables'. You really need a more clear display than that? Good grief.

Why do you think they can't figure this out on their own, using their nutritional professionals and their local resources?
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Because they aren't aware of such things, aren't taught such things, and aren't particularly required to have an experience in cooking.
Why do you think they need Nanny Government making rules which don't work for them?
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What are you on about now? If they can't adjust to basic things like healthy cooking and eating, then they do not belong in kitchens feeding the children of this nation.
Mostly, why do you assume they don't care about their school children?
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Because they are feeding them unhealthy foods and are apparently unwilling to learn how to make basic adjustments to feed them healthy foods. Etc..
 
trixare4kids said:
How would you go about educating parents to the above? Forcing them or suggesting to them?
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Offering it for free, and encouraging them to participate. THis isn't rocket science.
 
Gondwanaland said:
I mean, you yourself literally linked to and quoted an article interviewing a cafeteria worker who seemed puzzled as to why kids weren't eating their 'cups of vegetables'. You really need a more clear display than that? Good grief.

Because they aren't aware of such things, aren't taught such things, and aren't particularly required to have an experience in cooking.
What are you on about now? If they can't adjust to basic things like healthy cooking and eating, then they do not belong in kitchens feeding the children of this nation.


Because they are feeding them unhealthy foods and are apparently unwilling to learn how to make basic adjustments to feed them healthy foods. Etc..
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I mean, you literally don't get why kids should be eating vegetables.
You have a skewed idea of unhealthy.
Moderation is healthy.
Excess is unhealthy.
Variety is the biggest key to success.

Oh, and school workers aren't idiots. Congress otoh, is full of them.
 
The answer to the childhood obesity problem is NOT on that school lunch plate. It never will be.
Trying to force the solution onto that plate is the definition of insane.

Think outside of the plate!
 
Acadia said:
Because you can't make them, or shove food down kids' throats. The results too many times is inadequate calories and nutrition.
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The left should listen to themselves. They want the government to FORCE feed public school kids or look the other way when they toss it in the garbage.
 
Acadia said:
I mean, you literally don't get why kids should be eating vegetables.
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WTF????? Where in the hell did you get this from?
You have a skewed idea of unhealthy.
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How so?
Moderation is healthy.
Excess is unhealthy.
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Sure. And?
Variety is the biggest key to success.
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No one said otherwise? Are you feeling okay? You seem to be rambling against some strawman you've constructed of anyone who dares disagree with you on anything you've said.
Oh, and school workers aren't idiots.
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The one you chose to highlight in your own post, from your own quote of your own choice of article source, appears to be......

Congress otoh, is full of them.
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WHo gives an eff about Congress?
 
Condemning healthy food for kids was peak stupidity in 2014 and it’s peak stupidity now. Listen to yourselves.
 
Did anyone actually read this (link)?
United States Department of AgricultureUSDA is an equal opportunity provider, employer, and lender. Regulatory Reform at a GlanceProposed Rule: School Meals FlexibilitiesIn January 2020, the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) Food and Nutrition Service (FNS), responding to requests from local school food service professionals, will publish a proposed rule to provide flexibilities that will better enable schools to serve nutritious foods children will be eager to eat while also increasing program effeciency and integrity
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iow, healthy and appealing food.
 
Gondwanaland said:
WTF????? Where in the hell did you get this from?
How so?
Sure. And?
No one said otherwise? Are you feeling okay? You seem to be rambling against some strawman you've constructed of anyone who dares disagree with you on anything you've said.
The one you chose to highlight in your own post, from your own quote of your own choice of article source, appears to be......



WHo gives an eff about Congress?
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You give an eff about Congress if you want them issuing fiats about what's on a child's school lunch plate from Dover to San Diego.
It's not working and you still will try to force a square peg into a round hold.
THANK GOD we have an administration which recognizes it is not working and is making changes to take away the gov't control and give it back locally, LIKE THE FOUNDERS INTENDED.
 
Acadia said:
You give an eff about Congress if you want them issuing fiats about what's on a child's school lunch plate from Dover to San Diego.
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Where did I say I wanted Congress issuing anything?
It's not working and you still will try to force a square peg into a round hold.
THANK GOD we have an administration which recognizes it is not working and is making changes to take away the gov't control and give it back locally, LIKE THE FOUNDERS INTENDED.
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Trump is not interested in giving anyone control other than himself.
 
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