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Florida high court sides with governor on felon voter rights

Source: (AP) Florida high court sides with governor on felon voter rights

I saw this bit of news come across CTV, and decided to do a little research. Not research into the substance of the ruling, but rather research into the celebratory victory Tweet Governor DeSantis did in response to the ruling.

The DeSantis Tweet segment in question, is the last quote in my O.P. Here it is again below, with my adding emphasis to the part I'm focusing upon:

Voting is a "privilege"? This is the attitude of the FL Republican governor? Whether Fruedian slip or not, I find this statement appalling.

Living is a privilege when the gov't can kill you.
 
What do you consider the difference between a privilege and a right?

Privileges have to be earned, rights have to be taken away. That's the difference between guilty until proven innocent and innocent until proven guilty.

If voting is a privilege then the government can make you prove that you are eligible to vote. On the other hand, if voting is a right then the government has to prove that you're not eligible.
 
Let me explain the reasons for this ruling. When a person goes on Probation, instead of going to prison, they are charged court fees and probation fees. We have many probationers that finish probation, but don't pay their court costs and fees. These are the people who will not be able to vote, until they pay off their debt to the state. These fees help lower YOUR TAXES. If someone is on probation, should they pay for that or should your tax dollars pay for it?
Ethical arguments aside, strictly speaking from the finacial aspect. It is less expensive for the gov to fund parole/probation programs than it is to keep someone incarcerated.

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Sadly. If constitutional, I must say I disagree. But it is what it is, and as an American I swore to support & defend the entire thing, both that I like and otherwise. And part of that is I defer to SCOTUS. So, here I sit.

The text is clear and the state's supreme court (and governor) made a decision plainly in line with that text (bold emphasis added):

No. 4 Constitutional Amendment Article VI, Section 4. Voting Restoration Amendment This amendment restores the voting rights of Floridians with felony convictions after they complete all terms of their sentence including parole or probation. The amendment would not apply to those convicted of murder or sexual offenses, who would continue to be permanently barred from voting unless the Governor and Cabinet vote to restore their voting rights on a case by case basis.​

Since felon disenfranchisement itself is well-established in the US (and unquestionably constitutional), the only matter before the Florida SC was whether the governor's interpretation conflicted with the text of the state's new amendment. It obviously did not and the SC ruled as such.

This outcome was the only reasonable one.
 
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so allowing felons to get their right to vote back is smashing democracy?
please explain.

Yes. Because your state voted for it. Democratically. And Republicans have a laundry list of ballot measures and referendums they have ignored or undermined across the nation
They are an arsonist party of traitors and scum.
 
Source: (AP) Florida high court sides with governor on felon voter rights

I saw this bit of news come across CTV, and decided to do a little research. Not research into the substance of the ruling, but rather research into the celebratory victory Tweet Governor DeSantis did in response to the ruling.

The DeSantis Tweet segment in question, is the last quote in my O.P. Here it is again below, with my adding emphasis to the part I'm focusing upon:

Voting is a "privilege"? This is the attitude of the FL Republican governor? Whether Fruedian slip or not, I find this statement appalling.

If voting were a right, anyone could vote and that isn't how it works. That's the reason there's no amendment in the Bill of Rights guaranteeing the right to vote.
 
Source: (AP) Florida high court sides with governor on felon voter rights

I saw this bit of news come across CTV, and decided to do a little research. Not research into the substance of the ruling, but rather research into the celebratory victory Tweet Governor DeSantis did in response to the ruling.

The DeSantis Tweet segment in question, is the last quote in my O.P. Here it is again below, with my adding emphasis to the part I'm focusing upon:

Voting is a "privilege"? This is the attitude of the FL Republican governor? Whether Fruedian slip or not, I find this statement appalling.

What else would one expect from the Party that disenfranchises voters
 
Same thing with medical marijuana. Overwhelmingly passed second time around because the first time around the forty one percent who voted against medical marijuana won.

The republicans basically control florida and when they don't like something that the voters passed, they'll jam their fingers into the pie and make the issue as difficult as possible to obtain even though it's now legal.

That's why I say in live in Flori-duh.
 
The whole idea for republicans it seems is to punish someone as long and as severely as possible. It's not to pay your debt to society for screwing up, nope, it's to punish you.
 
The whole idea for republicans it seems is to punish someone as long and as severely as possible. It's not to pay your debt to society for screwing up, nope, it's to punish you.

They even punish wives of felons for owning guns in their houses in some states.
 
Source: (AP) Florida high court sides with governor on felon voter rights

I saw this bit of news come across CTV, and decided to do a little research. Not research into the substance of the ruling, but rather research into the celebratory victory Tweet Governor DeSantis did in response to the ruling.

The DeSantis Tweet segment in question, is the last quote in my O.P. Here it is again below, with my adding emphasis to the part I'm focusing upon:

Voting is a "privilege"? This is the attitude of the FL Republican governor? Whether Fruedian slip or not, I find this statement appalling.

He can't win without suppressing the vote.
 
The whole idea for republicans it seems is to punish someone as long and as severely as possible. It's not to pay your debt to society for screwing up, nope, it's to punish you.

Depriving felons the right to vote has a rich, racist history.
 
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So since I care about all voters what you said was a lie.

But you then said why should democrats pay for republican voters which means you only care about your tribe, not people in general. So, no lie. I would also add that you really dont even care about your own poor, you only care that they are able to vote. So you care once every two years. After that, you dont give a **** what happens to them.
 
Depriving felons the right to vote has a rich, racist history.

Really? What is it? And why would that matter anyway since the voting restrictions now apply to all felons regardless of race? Looks like someone felt the urge to play the race card. You guys just cant help yourselves
 
these are fines in accordance with a judicial sentence. The law states that to get your rights back you must complete your sentence.
that would include any and all fines that were addressed.

By this logic you should also believe anyone with unpaid parking tickets, anyone who hasn't paid that traffic violation for rolling pass a stop sign, all those people shouldn't be able to vote until all those fines are paid?
 
I imagine that most felons won't vote anyways. I'd like to see a study.



Considering all the opportunities to vote, primary, general, presidential, midterm, state, local, most of eligible age do not vote. Of the 32 developed nations, the US ranks 26th. So, most Americans "don't vote anyways". BTW, why not include criminal misdemeanor as reason for denial of voting "rights"? Nearly 30% of US adults have a criminal record.
 
But you then said why should democrats pay for republican voters which means you only care about your tribe, not people in general. So, no lie. I would also add that you really dont even care about your own poor, you only care that they are able to vote. So you care once every two years. After that, you dont give a **** what happens to them.

More lies from you again. Having the state and federal pay for voter ID shows all what you have said to be incorrect. Your dishonest comments gave been proven lies and that’s all you can do. Another conservative who can only post lies. You are dismissed.
 
Really? What is it? And why would that matter anyway since the voting restrictions now apply to all felons regardless of race? Looks like someone felt the urge to play the race card. You guys just cant help yourselves

Well, in Alabama they did it by having a vague standard set in their state constitution that allowed depriving of voter rights when "convicted on a felony of moral turpitude." Then it's just a matter of conveniently interpreting that phrase to primarily impact black people.

The devil is always in the details.
 
I mean, one could argue that in that case there are no rights, only government granted privileges.

Indeed, one way of looking at "rights" is that they are actually "fundamental freedoms" and that those "fundamental freedoms" are derived from the type of society that the populace wants to live in.

They are not so much "rights" as they are "things that are essential to our society as we want it to be".

And, since "The Government" only exercised the power delegated to it by "The People" then those "rights" are actually only what "The People" want them to be.

NOTE - Please pay close attention to the bolded bits above because they are actually quite important.
 
What do you consider the difference between a privilege and a right?

As a sufficient but not necessary condition, if the United States Constitution literally calls it a right, it's a right.
 
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