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    Re: Florida high court sides with governor on felon voter rights

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    Re: Florida high court sides with governor on felon voter rights

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    Re: Florida high court sides with governor on felon voter rights

    Quote Originally Posted by JMaximus View Post
    The text is clear and the state's supreme court (and governor) made a decision plainly in line with that text (bold emphasis added):

    No. 4 Constitutional Amendment Article VI, Section 4. Voting Restoration Amendment This amendment restores the voting rights of Floridians with felony convictions after they complete all terms of their sentence including parole or probation. The amendment would not apply to those convicted of murder or sexual offenses, who would continue to be permanently barred from voting unless the Governor and Cabinet vote to restore their voting rights on a case by case basis.

    Since felon disenfranchisement itself is well-established in the US (and unquestionably constitutional), the only matter before the Florida SC was whether the governor's interpretation conflicted with the text of the state's new amendment. It obviously did not and the SC ruled as such.

    This outcome was the only reasonable one.
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    Re: Florida high court sides with governor on felon voter rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Acadia View Post
    Living is a privilege when the gov't can kill you.
    Given the legal death penalty in the States, I must agree.
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    Re: Florida high court sides with governor on felon voter rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Luther View Post
    \Boy, voting rights for jail birds

    That's front and center in what ill's America(rolling eyes)
    My take: All American citizens deserve the right to vote. We don't pick & choose.
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    Re: Florida high court sides with governor on felon voter rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    How about you look up the word 'lie' that way you wont look stupid when you misuse it.
    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Go back and read it calmly. The thing that does not make it ax explicit right is because the 19th describes a condition where voting cannot be “denied or abridged” and that is “on account of sex”.

    “All citizens have the right to vote” would be an explicit right. The 19th and all the other references just reduce the realm of possible basis for voting to be denied or abridged.
    It can be denied because of citizenship, age, and any other criteria that has not specifically been listed in the Constitution.

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    Let me give you two the help that you obviously need. Here are the literally copy-pasted words from the start of some Constitutional amendments:

    15th Amendment: "The right of citizens of the United States to vote..."
    19th Amendment: "The right of citizens of the United States to vote..."
    24th Amendment: "The right of citizens of the United States to vote..."
    26th Amendment: "The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote..."

    And the 23rd Amendment gives the residents of Washington, DC the right to vote.

    The Constitution of the United States of America literally says on FOUR SEPARATE OCCASIONS that voting is a RIGHT.

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    Re: Florida high court sides with governor on felon voter rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post


    Let me give you two the help that you obviously need. Here are the literally copy-pasted words from the start of some Constitutional amendments:

    15th Amendment: "The right of citizens of the United States to vote..."
    19th Amendment: "The right of citizens of the United States to vote..."
    24th Amendment: "The right of citizens of the United States to vote..."
    26th Amendment: "The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote..."

    And the 23rd Amendment gives the residents of Washington, DC the right to vote.

    The Constitution of the United States of America literally says on FOUR SEPARATE OCCASIONS that voting is a RIGHT.

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    Again, the Constitution does not make an explicit statement that there is a right to vote, it does so at best, indirectly through progressive listings of what basis that a vote can be denied or abridged. Clearly, those amendments for denying or abridging the right to vote existed before each later amendment which you could see if you read each amendment all the way to the end. The Congress or states can pass a law denying the vote based on any objective criteria not otherwise prevented by the amendments you list.

    To refresh, here are the groups that can not be denied or abridged the right to vote:

    15th on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
    19th on account of sex
    24th by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.
    26th on account of age.

    The 23rd Amendment merely gives the District of Columbia 3 Electoral Votes which does not explicitly say that the good folks of DC will be allowed to vote for those electors.

    Even Article I, Section 1, Clause 1 indicated that "The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature." but it does not explicitly say that there will be a vote. Implied, assumed, expected could all be adjectives assuming the right to vote, but there is NO explicitly statement. A declarative statement ending in a period granting that right. If one has to use ellipsis, that is a clear sign of dishonesty.

    Again, I'm talking about explicit language, not assumed rights.

    Adding a link to Fairvote.org: Right to Vote Amendment - FairVote

    Voting is an American principle and a basic democratic right that should be protected, promoted, and practiced, which is why many people are surprised to learn that the U.S. Constitution provides no explicit right to vote. This leaves voting rights vulnerable to the whims of politicians, and some citizens with fewer rights than others.
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    Re: Florida high court sides with governor on felon voter rights

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Again, the Constitution does not make an explicit statement that there is a right to vote
    Again with the bald-faced lie!

    You either struggle with basic reading comprehension on simple definitions. Which is it? Do you need to work on reading the phrase, "The right of citizens of the United States to vote"? Or do you require a definition of the word "right" which you refuse to look up on your own?

    You even admitted that voting is a right yourself:

    To refresh, here are the groups that can not be denied or abridged the right to vote:
    So which is it, Ali? Did you misspeak when you said that voting a right, or did you misspeak when you said that voting is not a right? You have confused yourself so much with your lying that you cannot even keep your lies straight!
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    Re: Florida high court sides with governor on felon voter rights

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    First amendment rights have not been taken away, restricted perhaps, but not taken away.
    There is absolutely nothing in the First Amendment

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    about "the right to vote". The closest that you get are Amendment 19

    The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex.

    and Amendment 26

    The right of citizens of the United States, who are 18 years of age or older, to vote, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state on account of age.

    Using the legal interpretation rule of "expressio unius est exclusio alterius" (when one or more things of a class are expressly mentioned others of the same class are excluded.) that means that "the right to vote" could well be restricted on some grounds other than age and sex.

    However, Amendment 14 states

    No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States.

    and that might well mean that any "restriction on felons voting" would have to be at the federal level with any state level restrictions that are in excess of federal restrictions being unconstitutional.

    If that is the case, then, it would likely be allowable for states to establish restrictions on voting for "state level" offices (which might well include voting on the selection of members of the Electoral College) but could NOT impose any restrictions in excess of the federal restrictions on voting for "national level" offices (which means voting on the selection of Senators and Representatives).
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    Re: Florida high court sides with governor on felon voter rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    How did the people who wrote the Constitution come to the conclusion of what is and is not a right?
    That's an easy one. They took a look at the Magna Carta Libertatum and the Bill of Rights 1689 which set out "The Rights of Englishmen" that the American Revolution had been fought to preserve/obtain and paraphrased them.
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