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    Re: Florida high court sides with governor on felon voter rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Source: (AP) Florida high court sides with governor on felon voter rights

    I saw this bit of news come across CTV, and decided to do a little research. Not research into the substance of the ruling, but rather research into the celebratory victory Tweet Governor DeSantis did in response to the ruling.

    The DeSantis Tweet segment in question, is the last quote in my O.P. Here it is again below, with my adding emphasis to the part I'm focusing upon:

    Voting is a "privilege"? This is the attitude of the FL Republican governor? Whether Fruedian slip or not, I find this statement appalling.
    Living is a privilege when the gov't can kill you.

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    Re: Florida high court sides with governor on felon voter rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    What do you consider the difference between a privilege and a right?
    Privileges have to be earned, rights have to be taken away. That's the difference between guilty until proven innocent and innocent until proven guilty.

    If voting is a privilege then the government can make you prove that you are eligible to vote. On the other hand, if voting is a right then the government has to prove that you're not eligible.

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    Re: Florida high court sides with governor on felon voter rights

    Quote Originally Posted by gino View Post
    Let me explain the reasons for this ruling. When a person goes on Probation, instead of going to prison, they are charged court fees and probation fees. We have many probationers that finish probation, but don't pay their court costs and fees. These are the people who will not be able to vote, until they pay off their debt to the state. These fees help lower YOUR TAXES. If someone is on probation, should they pay for that or should your tax dollars pay for it?
    Ethical arguments aside, strictly speaking from the finacial aspect. It is less expensive for the gov to fund parole/probation programs than it is to keep someone incarcerated.

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    Re: Florida high court sides with governor on felon voter rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Sadly. If constitutional, I must say I disagree. But it is what it is, and as an American I swore to support & defend the entire thing, both that I like and otherwise. And part of that is I defer to SCOTUS. So, here I sit.
    The text is clear and the state's supreme court (and governor) made a decision plainly in line with that text (bold emphasis added):

    No. 4 Constitutional Amendment Article VI, Section 4. Voting Restoration Amendment This amendment restores the voting rights of Floridians with felony convictions after they complete all terms of their sentence including parole or probation. The amendment would not apply to those convicted of murder or sexual offenses, who would continue to be permanently barred from voting unless the Governor and Cabinet vote to restore their voting rights on a case by case basis.

    Since felon disenfranchisement itself is well-established in the US (and unquestionably constitutional), the only matter before the Florida SC was whether the governor's interpretation conflicted with the text of the state's new amendment. It obviously did not and the SC ruled as such.

    This outcome was the only reasonable one.
    Last edited by JMaximus; 01-17-20 at 04:24 PM.

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    Re: Florida high court sides with governor on felon voter rights

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    so allowing felons to get their right to vote back is smashing democracy?
    please explain.
    Yes. Because your state voted for it. Democratically. And Republicans have a laundry list of ballot measures and referendums they have ignored or undermined across the nation
    They are an arsonist party of traitors and scum.

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    Re: Florida high court sides with governor on felon voter rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Source: (AP) Florida high court sides with governor on felon voter rights

    I saw this bit of news come across CTV, and decided to do a little research. Not research into the substance of the ruling, but rather research into the celebratory victory Tweet Governor DeSantis did in response to the ruling.

    The DeSantis Tweet segment in question, is the last quote in my O.P. Here it is again below, with my adding emphasis to the part I'm focusing upon:

    Voting is a "privilege"? This is the attitude of the FL Republican governor? Whether Fruedian slip or not, I find this statement appalling.
    If voting were a right, anyone could vote and that isn't how it works. That's the reason there's no amendment in the Bill of Rights guaranteeing the right to vote.
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    I dont assume that "presidency" will be unmade at all.
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    Re: Florida high court sides with governor on felon voter rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Source: (AP) Florida high court sides with governor on felon voter rights

    I saw this bit of news come across CTV, and decided to do a little research. Not research into the substance of the ruling, but rather research into the celebratory victory Tweet Governor DeSantis did in response to the ruling.

    The DeSantis Tweet segment in question, is the last quote in my O.P. Here it is again below, with my adding emphasis to the part I'm focusing upon:

    Voting is a "privilege"? This is the attitude of the FL Republican governor? Whether Fruedian slip or not, I find this statement appalling.
    What else would one expect from the Party that disenfranchises voters
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He didn't go to school for COVID-19
    His wartime President act, well
    A General Custer Cluster**** talking

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    Re: Florida high court sides with governor on felon voter rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    What do you consider the difference between a privilege and a right?
    Do Felons pay taxes?

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    Re: Florida high court sides with governor on felon voter rights

    Same thing with medical marijuana. Overwhelmingly passed second time around because the first time around the forty one percent who voted against medical marijuana won.

    The republicans basically control florida and when they don't like something that the voters passed, they'll jam their fingers into the pie and make the issue as difficult as possible to obtain even though it's now legal.

    That's why I say in live in Flori-duh.

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    Re: Florida high court sides with governor on felon voter rights

    The whole idea for republicans it seems is to punish someone as long and as severely as possible. It's not to pay your debt to society for screwing up, nope, it's to punish you.

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