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    Ukraine opens criminal probe into possible surveillance of ex-US ambassador

    Washington (CNN)Police in Ukraine are investigating the possible surveillance of former US Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch, the country's Interior Ministry announced Thursday.
    "Ukraine's position is not to interfere in the domestic affairs of the United States of America. However, the published records contain the fact of possible violation of the legislation of Ukraine and the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, which protects the rights of a diplomat in the territory of another country," a ministry statement said.

    "Ukraine cannot ignore such illegal activities on its territory. After analyzing these materials, the National Police of Ukraine upon their publication started criminal proceedings," the statement said.
    Source: (CNN) Ukraine opens criminal probe into possible surveillance of ex-US ambassador

    Can Trump's attempts to have an investigation into his political opponent announced by the Ukrainians, have backfired any worse? In response to Trump's effort to get Ukraine to announce an investigation into his political opponent, today Ukraine announced an investigation into Trump's attorney who delivered the request!

    What an amazing turn.

    They key words in the Ukraine statement (the final sentence in my quote), seems to be "illegal activities". Illegal, in terms of the Vienna Convention of which the U.S. is a signatory.

    It looks possible that if the U.S. Congress fails to find Trump having acted illegally, Ukraine might. Which wouldn't be saying much for us as a nation.

    Regardless, the President looks like he has finally succeeded in getting a Ukraine investigation!
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    Re: Ukraine opens criminal probe into possible surveillance of ex-US ambassador

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Regardless, the President looks like he has finally succeeded in getting a Ukraine investigation!
    Truly, a thing of beauty.

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    Re: Ukraine opens criminal probe into possible surveillance of ex-US ambassador

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Source: (CNN) Ukraine opens criminal probe into possible surveillance of ex-US ambassador

    Can Trump's attempts to have an investigation into his political opponent announced by the Ukrainians, have backfired any worse? In an effort to get Ukraine to announce an investigation into his political opponent, today Ukraine announced an investigation into Trump's attorney who delivered the request!

    What an amazing turn.

    They key words in the Ukraine statement (the final sentence in my quoting) seems to be "illegal activities". Illegal, in terms of the Vienna Convention of which the U.S. is a signatory.

    It looks possible that if the U.S. Congress fails to find Trump having acted illegally, Ukraine might. Which wouldn't be saying much for us as a nation.


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    Re: Ukraine opens criminal probe into possible surveillance of ex-US ambassador

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Truly, a thing of beauty.
    I swear, I can't disagree. Let's hope Trump doesn't get re-elected, and perhaps this can be seen as an experiment gone wrong - as they sometimes do. But if he gets re-elected, our standing on the world stage will be garbage. That's something I can't accept.
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    oh, the irony
    Yeah, it kinda' speaks for itself.
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    Re: Ukraine opens criminal probe into possible surveillance of ex-US ambassador

    While there's an enormous of schadenfreude in this story, there's also an enormous of shame for our own country. A foreign country is investigating illegal surveillance of one of our ambassadors whereas our State Department is completely silent about the illegal surveillance of one of its own. This means that a country which is the poster child for corruption is behaving more ethically and lawfully than the United States. Utterly shameful.

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    Re: Ukraine opens criminal probe into possible surveillance of ex-US ambassador

    I can't stop laughing. LOL

    This is a triple whammy day for Trump. Ukraine opens criminal probe, the GAO report came out....and the impeachment trial opened today.
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    Re: Ukraine opens criminal probe into possible surveillance of ex-US ambassador

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    While there's an enormous of schadenfreude in this story, there's also an enormous of shame for our own country. A foreign country is investigating illegal surveillance of one of our ambassadors whereas our State Department is completely silent about the illegal surveillance of one of its own. This means that a country which is the poster child for corruption is behaving more ethically and lawfully than the United States. Utterly shameful.
    Agreed. I don't believe this will be lost on much of the electorate.
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    Re: Ukraine opens criminal probe into possible surveillance of ex-US ambassador

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Source: (CNN) Ukraine opens criminal probe into possible surveillance of ex-US ambassador

    Can Trump's attempts to have an investigation into his political opponent announced by the Ukrainians, have backfired any worse? In response to Trump's effort to get Ukraine to announce an investigation into his political opponent, today Ukraine announced an investigation into Trump's attorney who delivered the request!

    What an amazing turn.

    They key words in the Ukraine statement (the final sentence in my quote), seems to be "illegal activities". Illegal, in terms of the Vienna Convention of which the U.S. is a signatory.

    It looks possible that if the U.S. Congress fails to find Trump having acted illegally, Ukraine might. Which wouldn't be saying much for us as a nation.

    Regardless, the President looks like he has finally succeeded in getting a Ukraine investigation!
    Back when the Ukraine president said that there was no "quid pro quo" you liberals laughed and said.................yeah right!

    Now that the same Ukraine president offers up a investigation that might favor your argument............he's your guy!

    Your party all are such hypocrites.
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    Re: Ukraine opens criminal probe into possible surveillance of ex-US ambassador

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Agreed. I don't believe this will be lost on much of the electorate.
    I wish I gave the electorate as much credit as you.......
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