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    Re: Ukraine opens criminal probe into possible surveillance of ex-US ambassador

    I believe that many Trump supporters will cheer his actions.

    The Republican Party is going to go much, much lower.

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    Re: Ukraine opens criminal probe into possible surveillance of ex-US ambassador

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Cole View Post
    Public opinion, and that of the Senate, turned almost overnight during Watergate. There is a good chance it may happen again.

    That is exactly what I keep thinking!!!

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    Re: Ukraine opens criminal probe into possible surveillance of ex-US ambassador

    Quote Originally Posted by trixare4kids View Post
    Sorry to put a damper on the celebration ensuing on the thread, but Mark Short, Pence's chief of staff said Parnas's many statements contradict direct testimony given by Democrats during the impeachment hearings.

    Who you going to believe?
    Preferably, somebody who doesn't lie to the American people for fun. That excludes the entirety of the Trump administration, unfortunately.

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    The million women would be cool...
    And if they each bring a friend, b/f, or husband, we're talking numbers!
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    Re: Ukraine opens criminal probe into possible surveillance of ex-US ambassador

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Cole View Post
    What do they hope to find? H. Biden has already admitted he got his job because of his last name. When asked about the salary, all he has to say is, "I'm a capitalist." What on earth else could they find from questioning Hunter Biden?
    Trumpers?
    I don't see any Trumpers biting, so I'll take a swing (to mix my metaphors). They don't expect Hunter to reveal anything at all regarding Trump's crimes, which is what the trial is supposed to be about. But of course that's not the point. The point is to say "corrupt" and "Joe Biden" as often as possible. Over and over.
    Annoy Russia. Vote Democrat.

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    Re: Ukraine opens criminal probe into possible surveillance of ex-US ambassador

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Cole View Post
    Public opinion, and that of the Senate, turned almost overnight during Watergate. There is a good chance it may happen again.
    Bolton testifying might do it, as long as he spoke the truth.
    Annoy Russia. Vote Democrat.

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    Re: Ukraine opens criminal probe into possible surveillance of ex-US ambassador

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    If the witnesses testify and the pressure is mounting that they will....then I think the public might have a say in how their senators vote. But that would also depend on what the witnesses said...and Bolton is a wild card...but he is the key that could change people's minds....imo.
    The way Collins came out hard against Parnas this morning, I'm beginning to think she's full of it.
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    Re: Ukraine opens criminal probe into possible surveillance of ex-US ambassador

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Cole View Post
    Public opinion, and that of the Senate, turned almost overnight during Watergate. There is a good chance it may happen again.
    I don't see that happening here in terms of removal, to be honest. Worst case, absolute worst cas I see, would be McConnel giving a few Senators lee-way to vote their state. But quite honestly, I don't see even that happening.
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    Re: Ukraine opens criminal probe into possible surveillance of ex-US ambassador

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Preferably, somebody who doesn't lie to the American people for fun. That excludes the entirety of the Trump administration, unfortunately.
    Looks like that would be Parnas, who is currently under house arrest hoping to cut a deal ....

    Mr. Parnas’s account, while potentially significant, is being contradicted on several fronts. None of the people involved dispute that the meeting occurred, but Mr. Parnas stands alone in saying the intention was to present an ultimatum to the Ukrainian leadership.

    Another participant in the meeting, Mr. Parnas’s business partner, Igor Fruman, said Mr. Parnas’s claim was false; the men never raised the issues of aid or the vice president’s attendance at the inauguration, lawyers for Mr. Fruman said.

    Mr. Giuliani denied Mr. Parnas’s contention that he had delivered the warning at the direction of Mr. Giuliani. “Categorically, I did not tell him to say that,” Mr. Giuliani said.

    The dispute represents the clearest indication yet that Mr. Parnas, who was indicted along with Mr. Fruman last month on campaign finance charges, has turned on Mr. Trump and Mr. Giuliani.
    Do what you want with it, but this pretty much proves what Short said above.
    Parnas is not a reliable witness no matter how you want to spin this.

    Giuliani Associate Says He Gave Demand for Biden Inquiry to Ukrainians - The New York Times

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    Re: Ukraine opens criminal probe into possible surveillance of ex-US ambassador

    Quote Originally Posted by trixare4kids View Post
    Sorry to put a damper on the celebration ensuing on the thread, but Mark Short, Pence's chief of staff said Parnas's many statements contradict direct testimony given by Democrats during the impeachment hearings.

    Who you going to believe?

    From the O/P's source:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    The way Collins came out hard against Parnas this morning, I'm beginning to think she's full of it.
    I get accused of ageism, but there ought to be a bi-partisan limit. Collins is not the only one past her ‘sell by’ date, imo.
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