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    Re: Ukraine opens criminal probe into possible surveillance of ex-US ambassador

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The Cultists already defend it to the death, it seems.
    So it's the party that wants documents and witnesses who are the "cultists"? And the party who are afraid of witnesses from the Trump administration and documents from DOD, DOS, and OMB that are the straight-shooters?

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    Re: Ukraine opens criminal probe into possible surveillance of ex-US ambassador

    Quote Originally Posted by Rexedgar View Post
    Methinks that “something” has been found..............
    The wording of the Ukraine statement seems to back you up, seeming claiming Ukraine has already found an illegal act, and now they are investigating it. I can't lay claim for what they're doing, but I think we need to be cognizant we are looking at this announcement through the lens of Americans familiar with the American legal system. The Ukraine legal system may have significant difference to ours.
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    Re: Ukraine opens criminal probe into possible surveillance of ex-US ambassador

    Quote Originally Posted by GDViking View Post
    The hilarious part is the cultists still think that getting Hunter under oath is trumps salvation!!!
    Right now McConnel has one thought on his mind:

    "How do I make this as quick and with as few few documents and witnesses as possible?"
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    Re: Ukraine opens criminal probe into possible surveillance of ex-US ambassador

    Quote Originally Posted by GDViking View Post
    The hilarious part is the cultists still think that getting Hunter under oath is trumps salvation!!!
    What do they hope to find? H. Biden has already admitted he got his job because of his last name. When asked about the salary, all he has to say is, "I'm a capitalist." What on earth else could they find from questioning Hunter Biden?

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    Re: Ukraine opens criminal probe into possible surveillance of ex-US ambassador

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I am quite convinced that there will be no repercussions for these actions. The Cultists already defend it to the death, it seems. Until some D does the same thing, then they'll start crying and bitching and pretending they care about the welfare of the Republic. But so long as it's an R doing it, they'll defend it to the end. And R's have enough in the Senate to guarantee that there will be no repercussions. You may get a handful of R Senators coming out and stating they want witnesses or this and that, but it won't be enough. That's how I see it, anyway.
    If the witnesses testify and the pressure is mounting that they will....then I think the public might have a say in how their senators vote. But that would also depend on what the witnesses said...and Bolton is a wild card...but he is the key that could change people's minds....imo.
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    Re: Ukraine opens criminal probe into possible surveillance of ex-US ambassador

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Especially when the defense resources that will keep his country out of Putin's hands, are predicated upon pleasing Trump.

    Now that Ukraine can see a reversal in Trump's fortunes in the matter, they are feeling more confident in coming forward on the national stage.

    I've been predicting for awhile that we will not see all the damage and crime Trump and his administration have done, until he leaves office. Then, expect many countries to come forward with their stories, just as the real-life victims of a bully come forward when he's finally stood-up to and made impotent.
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    Re: Ukraine opens criminal probe into possible surveillance of ex-US ambassador

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    If the witnesses testify and the pressure is mounting that they will....then I think the public might have a say in how their senators vote. But that would also depend on what the witnesses said...and Bolton is a wild card...but he is the key that could change people's minds....imo.
    Public opinion, and that of the Senate, turned almost overnight during Watergate. There is a good chance it may happen again.

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    Re: Ukraine opens criminal probe into possible surveillance of ex-US ambassador

    Sorry to put a damper on the celebration ensuing on the thread, but Mark Short, Pence's chief of staff said Parnas's many statements contradict direct testimony given by Democrats during the impeachment hearings.

    Who you going to believe?

    From the O/P's source:
    Texts released earlier this week by House Democrats that were turned over to them by indicted Rudy Giuliani associate Lev Parnas show Connecticut Republican congressional candidate Robert Hyde berating Yovanovitch and suggest he was monitoring her while she was in Kiev and relaying her movements to Parnas. Hyde declined to comment to CNN when asked if he had surveilled Yovanovitch, who served as a key witness in the House impeachment probe into President Donald Trump.
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    Re: Ukraine opens criminal probe into possible surveillance of ex-US ambassador

    Quote Originally Posted by trixare4kids View Post
    Sorry to put a damper on the celebration ensuing on the thread, but Mark Short, Pence's chief of staff said Parmas's many statements contradict direct testimony given by Democrats during the impeachment hearings.
    Testimony given by Democrats? Who would those be?

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    Re: Ukraine opens criminal probe into possible surveillance of ex-US ambassador

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Right now McConnel has one thought on his mind:

    "How do I make this as quick and with as few few documents and witnesses as possible?"
    After polish's time out enough new information has come to light that I think that ship has sailed.

    I think we are at the point Republicans in purple states are counting votes, guilt is no longer a question (if it ever was) it is now about appearance, politics and how they will be historically remembered...

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