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Jonathan Turley: Pelosi 'played into' McConnell's hands, 'destroyed' her own case for impeachment

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Jonathan Turley: Pelosi '''played into''' McConnell'''s hands, '''destroyed''' her own case for impeachment | Fox News

Constitutional law professor Jonathan Turley laid out a sweeping indictment of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., arguing that her impeachment strategy backfired and gave Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., the upper hand.

"The delay now seems largely driven by a desire to preserve the image of Pelosi as a master strategist despite a blunder of the first order," Turley wrote in a column titled, "Pelosi's Blunder: How the House Destroyed its Own Case for Impeachment."

His comments came as Pelosi prepared to transmit articles of impeachment to the Senate, roughly a month after the House approved them. She initially withheld them in an apparent attempt to draw concessions from McConnell. On Wednesday she announced the seven lawmakers who will serve as impeachment managers to prosecute the case against the president at his Senate trial.

"There was no reason why Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell would make concessions to get an impeachment that he loathed," Turley wrote.

Turley similarly suggested that Pelosi pushed impeachment out of "vanity" and would pay a "high price" for doing so.

"The fact is that Pelosi played into the hands of McConnell by first rushing this impeachment forward with an incomplete record and now giving him the excuse to summarily change the rules, or even to dismiss the articles," he said.

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History will not be kind to Nancy Pelosi.
 
SLC said:
Jonathan Turley: Pelosi '''played into''' McConnell'''s hands, '''destroyed''' her own case for impeachment | Fox News

Constitutional law professor Jonathan Turley laid out a sweeping indictment of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., arguing that her impeachment strategy backfired and gave Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., the upper hand.

"The delay now seems largely driven by a desire to preserve the image of Pelosi as a master strategist despite a blunder of the first order," Turley wrote in a column titled, "Pelosi's Blunder: How the House Destroyed its Own Case for Impeachment."

His comments came as Pelosi prepared to transmit articles of impeachment to the Senate, roughly a month after the House approved them. She initially withheld them in an apparent attempt to draw concessions from McConnell. On Wednesday she announced the seven lawmakers who will serve as impeachment managers to prosecute the case against the president at his Senate trial.

"There was no reason why Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell would make concessions to get an impeachment that he loathed," Turley wrote.

Turley similarly suggested that Pelosi pushed impeachment out of "vanity" and would pay a "high price" for doing so.

"The fact is that Pelosi played into the hands of McConnell by first rushing this impeachment forward with an incomplete record and now giving him the excuse to summarily change the rules, or even to dismiss the articles," he said.

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History will not be kind to Nancy Pelosi.
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Turley is a bit like Dershowitz in that they each take controversial, out of the mainstream positions because they like to hear themselves talk. While they may be enamored with the beauty of their own legal arguments you find few others agreeing with them. I think the term I am looking for is here is 'blowhard'

It would have been foolish for Pelosi to run the Articles of Impeachment over to the Senate before Christmas where it could have been dismissed when people were not paying attention. Time is not really on Trump's side on this, as illustrated by the notion that even more damning info came out today. In fact, regardless of the Senate handling of this, the actual truth of all of this will eventually be known by all. Trump did indeed use the office of the President for personal gain.

Its pretty unlikely that history will be kind to Trump, the US Senate or his supporters, who chose to remain ignorant of the obvious to the peril of America. I think the term I may be looking for may be "treasonous"
 
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upsideguy said:
Turley is a bit like Dershowitz in that they each take controversial, out of the mainstream positions because they like to hear themselves talk. While they may be enamored with the beauty of their own legal arguments you find few others agreeing with them. I think the term I am looking for is here is 'blowhard'

It would have been foolish for Pelosi to run the Articles of Impeachment over to the Senate before Christmas where it could have been dismissed when people were not paying attention. Time is not really on Trump's side on this, as illustrated by the notion that even more damning info came out today. In fact, regardless of the Senate handling of this, the actual truth of all of this will eventually be known by all. Trump did indeed use the office of the President for personal gain.

Its pretty unlikely that history will be kind to Trump, the US Senate or his supporters, who chose to remain ignorant of the obvious to the peril of America. I think the term I may be looking for may be "treasonous"
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I have always paid attention to Turley, and respected him. I didn’t always agree, but I was interested in his point of view.

Of course, from a procedural standpoint, waiting for Trump’s lawyers to lose in the court and parade the witnesses in order to build the case was preferable.

Legally and procedurally.

But impeachment is as much a political as a legal process. And the politics make the the legal process almost irrelevant.

Pelosi has to walk the tightrope between the two. Knowing in advance that Trump’s acquital is largely assured

Her play is to make that acquittal as pyrrhic a victory as possible.

And continue to claim the moral high ground and insure that the voters understand that they have a duty to do what the Republican Senate would not do.
 
Um...Jonathan Turley also believes that a bribe can only be a bribe if it's cash. Maybe Jonathan Turley is just a dumbass.
 
upsideguy said:
Turley is a bit like Dershowitz in that they each take controversial, out of the mainstream positions because they like to hear themselves talk. While they may be enamored with the beauty of their own legal arguments you find few others agreeing with them. I think the term I am looking for is here is 'blowhard'

It would have been foolish for Pelosi to run the Articles of Impeachment over to the Senate before Christmas where it could have been dismissed when people were not paying attention. Time is not really on Trump's side on this, as illustrated by the notion that even more damning info came out today. In fact, regardless of the Senate handling of this, the actual truth of all of this will eventually be known by all. Trump did indeed use the office of the President for personal gain.

Its pretty unlikely that history will be kind to Trump, the US Senate or his supporters, who chose to remain ignorant of the obvious to the peril of America. I think the term I may be looking for may be "treasonous"
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Yeah yeah the Dems say its even more damning but didn't they say there was no FISA abuse and didn't they say Donald Trump colluded with Russia. So we know they are just a bunch of liars. This new "evidence" will be just another dud.
 
TomFitz said:
I have always paid attention to Turley, and respected him. I didn’t always agree, but I was interested in his point of view.

Of course, from a procedural standpoint, waiting for Trump’s lawyers to lose in the court and parade the witnesses in order to build the case was preferable.

Legally and procedurally.

But impeachment is as much a political as a legal process. And the politics make the the legal process almost irrelevant.

Pelosi has to walk the tightrope between the two. Knowing in advance that Trump’s acquital is largely assured

Her play is to make that acquittal as pyrrhic a victory as possible.

And continue to claim the moral high ground and insure that the voters understand that they have a duty to do what the Republican Senate would not do.
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Pelosi has hosted herself on her own petard on this one.
 
subpoena the spray painted game show host even if the talking turtle says no.
 
SLC said:
Jonathan Turley: Pelosi '''played into''' McConnell'''s hands, '''destroyed''' her own case for impeachment | Fox News

Constitutional law professor Jonathan Turley laid out a sweeping indictment of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., arguing that her impeachment strategy backfired and gave Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., the upper hand.

"The delay now seems largely driven by a desire to preserve the image of Pelosi as a master strategist despite a blunder of the first order," Turley wrote in a column titled, "Pelosi's Blunder: How the House Destroyed its Own Case for Impeachment."

His comments came as Pelosi prepared to transmit articles of impeachment to the Senate, roughly a month after the House approved them. She initially withheld them in an apparent attempt to draw concessions from McConnell. On Wednesday she announced the seven lawmakers who will serve as impeachment managers to prosecute the case against the president at his Senate trial.

"There was no reason why Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell would make concessions to get an impeachment that he loathed," Turley wrote.

Turley similarly suggested that Pelosi pushed impeachment out of "vanity" and would pay a "high price" for doing so.

"The fact is that Pelosi played into the hands of McConnell by first rushing this impeachment forward with an incomplete record and now giving him the excuse to summarily change the rules, or even to dismiss the articles," he said.

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History will not be kind to Nancy Pelosi.
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Absolutely true. It's about Nancy's power and her vanity/ego. Trump didn't let her control the agenda in the government and she can't stand it. She is a bully and Trump doesn't play that game, he's the boss, the President and he's running the government.
 
Pretty much known that Nancy doesn't counsel with any members of the democrat party unless they tell her what she wants to hear. She doesn't seek out the other viewpoint, not Schumer's or Steny Hower, and only Schiff and Nadler because they a fine with having their nose's up Nancy's tush. They are puppets who do what they are told. Nancy has orchestrated a mess and now she is trying to save face. Why? Because she knows there are those on the extreme left that want her gone and if she missteps too much they will vote her out.
 
SLC said:
Jonathan Turley: Pelosi '''played into''' McConnell'''s hands, '''destroyed''' her own case for impeachment | Fox News

Constitutional law professor Jonathan Turley laid out a sweeping indictment of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., arguing that her impeachment strategy backfired and gave Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., the upper hand.

"The delay now seems largely driven by a desire to preserve the image of Pelosi as a master strategist despite a blunder of the first order," Turley wrote in a column titled, "Pelosi's Blunder: How the House Destroyed its Own Case for Impeachment."

His comments came as Pelosi prepared to transmit articles of impeachment to the Senate, roughly a month after the House approved them. She initially withheld them in an apparent attempt to draw concessions from McConnell. On Wednesday she announced the seven lawmakers who will serve as impeachment managers to prosecute the case against the president at his Senate trial.

"There was no reason why Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell would make concessions to get an impeachment that he loathed," Turley wrote.

Turley similarly suggested that Pelosi pushed impeachment out of "vanity" and would pay a "high price" for doing so.

"The fact is that Pelosi played into the hands of McConnell by first rushing this impeachment forward with an incomplete record and now giving him the excuse to summarily change the rules, or even to dismiss the articles," he said.

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History will not be kind to Nancy Pelosi.
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LOL, too bad that Maddow/Parnas interview didn't come out one day earlier. Jonathan Turley might have stopped himself from looking like such an idiot.
 
Cardinal said:
Um...Jonathan Turley also believes that a bribe can only be a bribe if it's cash. Maybe Jonathan Turley is just a dumbass.
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Maddow/Parnas proved Turley's a dumbass this very evening. That interview coming out before Pelosi hands the impeachment over to the Senate is a huge win.
 
Integrityrespec said:
Pretty much known that Nancy doesn't counsel with any members of the democrat party unless they tell her what she wants to hear. She doesn't seek out the other viewpoint, not Schumer's or Steny Hower, and only Schiff and Nadler because they a fine with having their nose's up Nancy's tush. They are puppets who do what they are told. Nancy has orchestrated a mess and now she is trying to save face. Why? Because she knows there are those on the extreme left that want her gone and if she missteps too much they will vote her out.
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Did you make that up all by yourself, or did the man on the AM radio do that little bit of imagineering for you?
 
SLC said:
Jonathan Turley: Pelosi '''played into''' McConnell'''s hands, '''destroyed''' her own case for impeachment | Fox News

Constitutional law professor Jonathan Turley laid out a sweeping indictment of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., arguing that her impeachment strategy backfired and gave Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., the upper hand.

"The delay now seems largely driven by a desire to preserve the image of Pelosi as a master strategist despite a blunder of the first order," Turley wrote in a column titled, "Pelosi's Blunder: How the House Destroyed its Own Case for Impeachment."

His comments came as Pelosi prepared to transmit articles of impeachment to the Senate, roughly a month after the House approved them. She initially withheld them in an apparent attempt to draw concessions from McConnell. On Wednesday she announced the seven lawmakers who will serve as impeachment managers to prosecute the case against the president at his Senate trial.

"There was no reason why Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell would make concessions to get an impeachment that he loathed," Turley wrote.

Turley similarly suggested that Pelosi pushed impeachment out of "vanity" and would pay a "high price" for doing so.

"The fact is that Pelosi played into the hands of McConnell by first rushing this impeachment forward with an incomplete record and now giving him the excuse to summarily change the rules, or even to dismiss the articles," he said.

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History will not be kind to Nancy Pelosi.
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Pelosi = Jackie the Ripper tearing the guts out of her own party

:thumbs:
 
Integrityrespec said:
Pretty much known that Nancy doesn't counsel with any members of the democrat party unless they tell her what she wants to hear. She doesn't seek out the other viewpoint, not Schumer's or Steny Hower, and only Schiff and Nadler because they a fine with having their nose's up Nancy's tush. They are puppets who do what they are told. Nancy has orchestrated a mess and now she is trying to save face. Why? Because she knows there are those on the extreme left that want her gone and if she missteps too much they will vote her out.
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Is that the changing narrative one that Hannity and Rush Limpdick tell you? I thought you righties were saying this was "all a ploy" and Nancy was "Never going to release the articles of impeachment". Now that she has, she has destroyed another talking point from the idiot conservative conspiracy nutjobs.
 
Pelosi wanted witnesses to be called and her delay made that a hot topic on the front burner during the last four weeks. And she will most likely get her wish. And even if she does not and witnesses are barred from the trial, then the whole thing will be seen as a sham trial with a fixed jury who did not want to hear the whole case.

Either way Pelosi comes out a winner.

Turley is on the wrong side of this issue and will forever damage his reputation.
 
No less than 8 democrats have already made statements that would cause any judge in the country to remove them from a potential jury pool. Im sure the same can be said for republicans. We know the vast majority of the House democrats made up their minds to impeach long ago. All this any of this really guarantees is that the process is no longer impeachment for the good of the country based on high crimes and misdemeanors...but rather politics as usual.
 
VanceMack said:
No less than 8 democrats have already made statements that would cause any judge in the country to remove them from a potential jury pool. Im sure the same can be said for republicans. We know the vast majority of the House democrats made up their minds to impeach long ago. All this any of this really guarantees is that the process is no longer impeachment for the good of the country based on high crimes and misdemeanors...but rather politics as usual.
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Almost every Republican has done the same in the Senate. McConnell basically said he would let the defense run the trial, something no judge in any normal trial would allow, especially not from a jurist.

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roguenuke said:
Almost every Republican has done the same in the Senate. McConnell basically said he would let the defense run the trial, something no judge in any normal trial would allow, especially not from a jurist.

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I stated as much in my post.
 
Integrityrespec said:
Pretty much known that Nancy doesn't counsel with any members of the democrat party unless they tell her what she wants to hear. She doesn't seek out the other viewpoint, not Schumer's or Steny Hower, and only Schiff and Nadler because they a fine with having their nose's up Nancy's tush. They are puppets who do what they are told. Nancy has orchestrated a mess and now she is trying to save face. Why? Because she knows there are those on the extreme left that want her gone and if she missteps too much they will vote her out.
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It's amazing how often a post with "democrat [sic] party" is full of right wing partisan nonsense and drivel. It's almost like a sign!

E.g. ‘Only with Nancy’: How Schumer and Pelosi stuck together on the shutdown - POLITICO

“We realize we’re a team,” Schumer said in an interview [referring to Pelosi]. “Sometimes we talk strategy four to five times a day. And there are times we disagree. But we come to the same result.”
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VanceMack said:
I stated as much in my post.
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As an aside, yes. And said it almost as if it was possible they didnt make such statements, alleging they did while asserting Dems did. You did not treat those statements equally at all, putting most of the political parlaying on Dems, as if they are most guilty in this situation.

It is a political trial. If found guilty, Trump would be removed from office, and that is it. Not even sure he couldnt run again for President (afterall, Roy Moore did and won).

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SLC said:
History will not be kind to Nancy Pelosi.
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SLC: I dare the Dems to impeach Trump

Dems: <impeach Trump>

SLC: Waaaah so unfair, they impeached Trump!

Dems: <wait>

SLC: Waaaa so unfair, they're not sending the articles to a senate that is rigging the trial for Trump waaaah!

Dems: <send articles to senate>

SLC: Ahahah, you played into our masterful hands!

:roll:



At any rate, it is interesting to see you champion rigging trials and announcing intentions to violate oaths of impartiality in a haha we got you sense. But then, the ugliness is the point, isnt it?
 
roguenuke said:
As an aside, yes. And said it almost as if it was possible they didnt make such statements, alleging they did while asserting Dems did. You did not treat those statements equally at all, putting most of the political parlaying on Dems, as if they are most guilty in this situation.

It is a political trial. If found guilty, Trump would be removed from office, and that is it. Not even sure he couldnt run again for President (afterall, Roy Moore did and won).

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"No less than 8 democrats have already made statements that would cause any judge in the country to remove them from a potential jury pool. Im sure the same can be said for republicans."

Not shockingly...you hear what you want to hear.
 
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