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    Re: Climate crisis fills top five places of World Economic Forum’s risks report

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    The evidence is so overwhelming that even federal agencies under Donald Trump and the fossil fuel companies have to acknowledge the urgent need for action.

    "The impacts of climate change are already being felt in communities across the country. More frequent and intense extreme weather and climate-related events, as well as changes in average climate conditions, are expected to continue to damage infrastructure, ecosystems, and social systems that provide essential benefits to communities. Future climate change is expected to further disrupt many areas of life, exacerbating existing challenges to prosperity posed by aging and deteriorating infrastructure, stressed ecosystems, and economic inequality. Impacts within and across regions will not be distributed equally. People who are already vulnerable, including lower-income and other marginalized communities, have lower capacity to prepare for and cope with extreme weather and climate-related events and are expected to experience greater impacts. Prioritizing adaptation actions for the most vulnerable populations would contribute to a more equitable future within and across communities. Global action to significantly cut greenhouse gas emissions can substantially reduce climate-related risks and increase opportunities for these populations in the longer term."

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    That at the same time also Republican politicians are seeing the great benefits of renewable energy.

    Why Republican Leaders Love Renewable Energy

    So taking action on climate change shouldn't be a bipartisan issue.
    You would first have to validate that not only is CO2 a greenhouse gas, but that it is capable
    of the higher end of the predicted levels of warming, before you can blame any observed natural events on Human cause climate change.
    There is no laboratory test that actually supports the idea that CO2 actually acts as claimed.
    CO2 is a greenhouse gas, and does absorb in the 15 um band of the IR spectrum, but that alone means little.
    The vast majority of the predicted warming is based on assumed amplified feedbacks.
    Here is an example from the IPCC, Doubling the CO2 level would cause an energy imbalance of ~3.71 Wm-2,
    which will force ~1.1 C of warming perturbation, this warming perturbation, would then be the input for the climate feedbacks,
    creating additional warming such that the total ECS warming will be between 1.5 and 4.5 C.
    This is all based on, not empirical data, but the concept that Earth is 33C warmer than it would be without an atmosphere.(150 Wm-2 of imbalance)
    The attribution of the percentage of that difference assigned to CO2, is then assumed, at between 9 and 26%.
    The 3.71 Wm-2 number would come from the idea that the level of CO2 had to double 8 times to get to 256 ppm.
    so the assumed CO2 contribution would be ~20%, (3.71 X 8=29.68, 5.35 X ln (280/256)=.47, 29.68+.47=30.15 or 20.1%.)

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    Re: Climate crisis fills top five places of World Economic Forum’s risks report

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Funny how it works though. A conservative who loves hunting and fishing will speak out against anti-pollution measures because the environment is a leftist issue.
    I have not found this to be the case, people who hunt and fish, do not seem to fit into the left, right camps,
    until it impacts their sport of choice, and then they mostly support things the improve hunting and fishing.
    I have been invited to attend focus groups by Parks and Wildlife, and the participants all agreed that regulation
    that support the (fishery, in my case) were needed, and the board implemented most of our recommendations.
    Most I have spoken with are strongly against actual pollution.
    In the case of AGW, the case has not been that CO2 is an actual pollution.

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    Re: Climate crisis fills top five places of World Economic Forum’s risks report

    There are many positive examples from around the world that shows that the transition away from fossil fuels is possible.

    Denmark sources record 47% of power from wind in 2019 - Reuters

    Tesla Record Pushes Norways Share of Electric Car Sales to 42% - Bloomberg

    There renewables are now outcompeting fossil fuels.

    Huge Battery Investments Drop Energy-Storage Costs Faster Than Expected, Threatening Natural Gas

    It is just that this transition should and could have come decades ago, but sadly you have had powerful economic and political interests that have delayed the necessary transition

    How the oil industry has spent billions to control the climate change conversation | Business | The Guardian

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    Re: Climate crisis fills top five places of World Economic Forum’s risks report

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I have not found this to be the case, people who hunt and fish, do not seem to fit into the left, right camps,
    until it impacts their sport of choice, and then they mostly support things the improve hunting and fishing.
    I have been invited to attend focus groups by Parks and Wildlife, and the participants all agreed that regulation
    that support the (fishery, in my case) were needed, and the board implemented most of our recommendations.
    Most I have spoken with are strongly against actual pollution.
    In the case of AGW, the case has not been that CO2 is an actual pollution.
    I've been told by conservatives here that the DDT ban was regulatory over-reach, that vehicle emission standards are unecessarily handcuffing the industry and that much of environmentalism is part of the leftist agenda to sabotage America. You must have seen this.
    I admit it's an assumption on my part that conservatives in the US are favourable to hunting and fishing. Where I live nearly every house contains at least one rifle and at least one liberal but It's two different societies.
    Whatever. You say hunters and fishermen where you are don't usually identify on the political spectrum, good enough for me.
    I know the voices aren't real but they do have some good ideas.

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    Re: Climate crisis fills top five places of World Economic Forum’s risks report

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    I've been told by conservatives here that the DDT ban was regulatory over-reach, that vehicle emission standards are unecessarily handcuffing the industry and that much of environmentalism is part of the leftist agenda to sabotage America. You must have seen this.
    I admit it's an assumption on my part that conservatives in the US are favourable to hunting and fishing. Where I live nearly every house contains at least one rifle and at least one liberal but It's two different societies.
    Whatever. You say hunters and fishermen where you are don't usually identify on the political spectrum, good enough for me.
    Consider that even in your area, there is a difference between people who fish and hunt for a living,
    and those who are recreational. I would expect the commercial people to be mostly one way of the other,
    but the recreational people are from a broad spectrum.

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    Re: Climate crisis fills top five places of World Economic Forum’s risks report

    You have positive example of climate change being a bipartisan issue from around the world. For example both left wing and right wing government agree on making the EU carbon neutral by 2050.

    EU carbon neutrality: Leaders agree 2050 target without Poland - BBC News

    There big corporations are also acknowledging the urgent need for action and the great potential in renewable energy.

    Google makes biggest corporate purchase of renewable energy - The Verge

    Climate change to drive 'massive' investment shift - BBC News

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