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Michael Flynn moves to withdraw guilty plea, citing 'bad faith' by government

vesper said:
The Mueller investigation encompassed 2,800 subpoenas, 500 search warrants and about 500 witnesses. That's a lot of people that had to hire lawyers to represent them.
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All 500 people had to hire high priced lawyers? If not, how many? Does anyone know? I don't.

And in the end he concluded no American was found to have colluded with RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA.
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Mueller was never directed to determine if "collusion" existed. However, if you want to include collusion to mean conspiracy and obstruction of justice, there is evidence of that. At the same time, Mueller was not permitted to charge Trump with anything unlawful.

Those questions cannot be fully addressed even by Congress because a significant amount of information remains unavailable to Congress. AG BARR to this date refuses to release pertinent grand jury information to Congress and House investigation committees. I'm sure you support the release of the pertinent information, as do I.

Given the fact that you have no available evidence, you cannot prove that I didn't steal the Lost Dutchman's Gold. You know I live in Arizona and you may find that I have been to the Superstition Mountains on a number of occasions. At this point, you don't know if the gold has been found. Nonetheless, you might suspect that I'm suddenly living high on the hog and there have been rumors. If you are going to determine the truth you are going to need the facts. If those facts are denied you will neither be able to prove my guilt nor innocence. Same same Trump and his gaggle of campaign and transition people.

A lot of these people are like many working folks getting by but when you add the cost of an attorney that you had to retain for a period of time it sure did put a dent into their finances. Some are probably still paying for it.
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If Trump wanted the truth out and available to he certainly has the power to have made it available to Mueller and the grand jury. But Trump did not and does not want the information available. Mueller isn't to blame and Congress isn't to blame for all those people being dragged into court. Trump and Bill Barr threw the barriers in the path of justice and forced many people to testify to the grand jury.
 
Herkamer63 said:
*gasp* MY GOD, THAT HURT!
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With the numbness for reality, you show, I am certain that it did not.

But you also prove the point that people on the Left are humorless drones so... yeah.
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I will tell them next time I see them, but tell me was that your attempt at humor or you made that conclusion based on something else?
 
shades said:
Michael Flynn, an American War hero get's treated like a criminal because
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What he did.

If I was Hunter Biden, or Quid pro Joe his father I'd be hiring some powerful lawyers.
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But you are not.

fun times ahead, payback is a bitch in politics
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Care top hold your breath?
 
prometeus said:
So where is that showing how many had to pay lawyers, which in case you forgot was your claim.
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It is a common sense practice to seek an attorney when you have been subpoenaed. Every subpoena will instruct you on what you are expected to do and when. Calling an attorney as soon as you receive a subpoena is very important. A lawyer can help you figure out what your obligations are as well as work to protect you and whatever information you may have.
Involving an attorney can help to limit the scope of the subpoena, or even make it go away. Complying with a subpoena to produce documents, especially if the documents are confidential or privileged, or to testify at a trial can get to be expensive and burdensome to your business or personal life. Your lawyer can negotiate on your behalf to reduce the burden.
An attorney can help you with redacting things in documents that are protected under state and federal law.

Persons that were subpoenaed in the Mueller investigation no doubt showed up with legal counsel.
 
Risky Thicket said:
All 500 people had to hire high priced lawyers? If not, how many? Does anyone know? I don't.
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Zero is too many, because they still had to invest time etc. when the investigation knew from the beginning that there was no crime to find. This was a fishing expedition for the Democratic party on the taxpayer's dime, which was additionally used to harass the various staffers and officials. It is the most callous sort of disregard for the Rule of Law.

Mueller was never directed to determine if "collusion" existed. However, if you want to include collusion to mean conspiracy and obstruction of justice, there is evidence of that. At the same time, Mueller was not permitted to charge Trump with anything unlawful.
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That is exactly what they were trying to prove. Trump was fully exonerated.

Those questions cannot be fully addressed even by Congress because a significant amount of information remains unavailable to Congress. AG BARR to this date refuses to release pertinent grand jury information to Congress and House investigation committees. I'm sure you support the release of the pertinent information, as do I.

Given the fact that you have no available evidence, you cannot prove that I didn't steal the Lost Dutchman's Gold. You know I live in Arizona and you may find that I have been to the Superstition Mountains on a number of occasions. At this point, you don't know if the gold has been found. Nonetheless, you might suspect that I'm suddenly living high on the hog and there have been rumors. If you are going to determine the truth you are going to need the facts. If those facts are denied you will neither be able to prove my guilt nor innocence. Same same Trump and his gaggle of campaign and transition people.

If Trump wanted the truth out and available to he certainly has the power to have made it available to Mueller and the grand jury. But Trump did not and does not want the information available. Mueller isn't to blame and Congress isn't to blame for all those people being dragged into court. Trump and Bill Barr threw the barriers in the path of justice and forced many people to testify to the grand jury.
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You are making up a lot of things. Trump cooperated fully with the Mueller investigation and they accused him of obstruction. There is no legal reason to dignify the House's charade, so they did not. Had the House truly wanted any of the items, the courts were always available.

What flavor was your Kool-Aid? You must have drunk a lot of it.
 
He should try everything that a mafia lawyer would try.
 
Jay59 said:
Zero is too many, because they still had to invest time etc. when the investigation knew from the beginning that there was no crime to find. This was a fishing expedition for the Democratic party on the taxpayer's dime, which was additionally used to harass the various staffers and officials. It is the most callous sort of disregard for the Rule of Law.
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That is opinion and not fact based.


That is exactly what they were trying to prove. Trump was fully exonerated.
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That is incorrect. Show us the proof.

You are making up a lot of things.
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Opinion. List what is not fact based.

Trump cooperated fully with the Mueller investigation and they accused him of obstruction. There is no legal reason to dignify the House's charade, so they did not. Had the House truly wanted any of the items, the courts were always available.
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You say that Trump fully cooperated, then you say that the House could go through the courts to get the information it requires. If the Trump Administration had fully cooperated why would the House need to go through the courts to get information? In fact, you seem to unaware that the House is going through the courts to obtain information that the Trump Administration refuses to provide.
 
Well, if he withdraws his plea... then it may well trigger a new consideration of sentencing guidelines in the case and pose even more "jail time", when he is found "guilty".
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
A statement to the effect of

"Well, gosh yes, I did plead guilty to doing what I did do, but that was when I thought that I wouldn't be punished for doing what I did do. Now that I know that I might actually be punished for doing what I did do, I want to change my plea and crap shoot on being punished for doing what I did do."
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doesn't make me overly inclined to give Mr. Flynn the benefit of the doubt.
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If Flynn did it then he wouldn't risk a longer sentence when he was looking at zero jail time. His wanting to withdraw his plea speaks to his innocence.
 
SLC said:
If Flynn did it then he would risk a longer sentence when he was looking at zero jail time. His wanting to withdraw his plea speaks to his innocence.
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Was Flynn being paid by the Turkish government while Trump's National Security Advisor and unregistered as an agent of a foreign government? True or false?
 
BlueTex said:
Was Flynn being paid by the Turkish government while Trump's National Security Advisor and unregistered as an agent of a foreign government? True or false?
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They don't care.

Rules and laws are for other people.
 
BlueTex said:
Was Flynn being paid by the Turkish government while Trump's National Security Advisor and unregistered as an agent of a foreign government? True or false?
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Was Flynn ever appointed NSA by the president?
 
Herkamer63 said:
Again, no surprise here. The "Orange Man Bad" crowd simply have nothing else, except they don't like "Orange Man" and don't care if another person's life had been destroyed (they actually get joy out of that).
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You are 100% correct. Destroying people's lives because they supported Donald Trump is applauded by Liberals.
 
RealityNow said:
Well, if he withdraws his plea... then it may well trigger a new consideration of sentencing guidelines in the case and pose even more "jail time", when he is found "guilty".
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It'll go to trial and Powell can call witnesses to testify, under oath. Witnesses like Comey, McCabe, Strzok, etc.
 
apdst said:
It'll go to trial and Powell can call witnesses to testify, under oath. Witnesses like Comey, McCabe, Strzok, etc.
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If they prosecute him for being an unregistered foreign agent, how would these witnesses be relevant?
 
BlueTex said:
If they prosecute him for being an unregistered foreign agent, how would these witnesses be relevant?
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He wasn't charged with lying to a Federal agent?
 
digitusmedius said:
The trial judge has already expressed distrust of Flynn, with good reason, so this isn't going to help his cause a bit. It would be a delight if this gambit blew up in his criminal face and got him more than 6 months. He's a particularly nasty turd in Dirtbag Donnie's pile of ****.
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Judge Sullivan originally mistakenly thought Flynn was acting as a agent for Turkey while he was acting as national security adviser and he went off on Flynn . That was incorrect. Judge Sullivan took a recess then came back with an entirely changed attitude. He now knows Flynn wasn't working for Turkey when he was NSA for the United States. If anything Sullivan's mistake may make him give Flynn the benefit of the doubt.
 
apdst said:
He wasn't charged with lying to a Federal agent?
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The plea agreement clearly states that if he withdraws from the plea deal, he is subject to prosecution for the other crimes they were electing to not prosecute. He is CLEARLY guilty of operating as an unregistered foreign agent... He even went so far as to register after the fact came out....
 
BlueTex said:
The plea agreement clearly states that if he withdraws from the plea deal, he is subject to prosecution for the other crimes they were electing to not prosecute. He is CLEARLY guilty of operating as an unregistered foreign agent... He even went so far as to register after the fact came out....
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He plead guilty to lying to a Federal agent. That's why Powell can call Comey, McCabe and Strzok to testify.
 
If he withdraws his plea, let him be tried on all the other charges which were put aside. He got off far too lightly with his deal.
 
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