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Giuliani requested meeting with Ukraine president, new Trump impeachment evidence shows

cabse5 said:
The Russian collusion with the Trump campaign to interfere in the 2016 election was a hoax and conspiracy theory.
This impeachment from the phone call with Zelensky is based upon a conspiracy theory.

You aren't tired of the gov't investigating conspiracy theories. You are tired of the gov't investigating conspiracy theories which could hurt democrats.
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You have repeated the statement, "[t]he Russian collusion with the Trump campaign to interfere in the 2016 election was a hoax and conspiracy theory," before and it is no more true now than the other times you have repeated it. The conclusion of Robert Mueller said the complete opposite. Mueller made it very clear, in both the report, and in his testimony is that the lack of determination was due to the fact that Trump was president.

Congresswoman Garcia asks Mueller, "What if I had made a false statement to investigators on your team, could I go to jail for up to 5 years?"
Mueller: "Yes"

LIEU: "The reason, again, that you did not indict Donald Trump is because of OLC opinion that you cannot indict a sitting president, correct?"

MUELLER: "That is correct."

Trump admitted on live TV what he did. So did Mulvaney.

Trump illegally withheld aid that Congress had appropriated for Ukraine, for the purpose of pressuring President Zelensky to launch a bogus investigation into Joe Biden, which would do nothing at all to help either Ukraine or the United States, but would work to Trump’s personal political benefit. Zelensky was within days of announcing the investigations in a CNN interview, but the whistleblower report and Congress’ resulting curiosity about what was going on caused Trump to release the aid, after which Zelensky cancelled the interview.

Yet, you and other Trump zombie drones act as if Trump did nothing wrong. I wonder if "Obama" was substituted for "Trump" whether you would be so forgiving?
 
uptower said:
On the subject of trump’s corruption I believe the content listed in the articles of impeachment. As for the transcript nobody has to ‘lie’ about it. We all read it and trump’s guilt is obvious.
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There is no transcript.

The Trump crowd presented a summary of a conversation, not a transcript.

Then they quickly moved to impound all the notes on the meetings behind a wall of secrecy.

Your point remains salient, though. The fact that the Trump White House concocted this summary (which the noise machine still insists is an actual transcript) says it all.

After all, they doctored this thing up.

And this was the best they could do!
 
MTAtech said:
You have repeated the statement, "[t]he Russian collusion with the Trump campaign to interfere in the 2016 election was a hoax and conspiracy theory," before and it is no more true now than the other times you have repeated it. The conclusion of Robert Mueller said the complete opposite. Mueller made it very clear, in both the report, and in his testimony is that the lack of determination was due to the fact that Trump was president.

Congresswoman Garcia asks Mueller, "What if I had made a false statement to investigators on your team, could I go to jail for up to 5 years?"
Mueller: "Yes"

LIEU: "The reason, again, that you did not indict Donald Trump is because of OLC opinion that you cannot indict a sitting president, correct?"

MUELLER: "That is correct."

Trump admitted on live TV what he did. So did Mulvaney.

Trump illegally withheld aid that Congress had appropriated for Ukraine, for the purpose of pressuring President Zelensky to launch a bogus investigation into Joe Biden, which would do nothing at all to help either Ukraine or the United States, but would work to Trump’s personal political benefit. Zelensky was within days of announcing the investigations in a CNN interview, but the whistleblower report and Congress’ resulting curiosity about what was going on caused Trump to release the aid, after which Zelensky cancelled the interview.

Yet, you and other Trump zombie drones act as if Trump did nothing wrong. I wonder if "Obama" was substituted for "Trump" whether you would be so forgiving?
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Yes, but most of them still want to believe that Barack Obama was born in Kenya and that Hillary Clinton was involved in a child sex ring run out of a pizza parlor on Connecticut Ave.
 
TomFitz said:
Yes, but most of them still want to believe that Barack Obama was born in Kenya and that Hillary Clinton was involved in a child sex ring run out of a pizza parlor on Connecticut Ave.
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“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
-- John Adams
 
MTAtech said:
“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
-- John Adams
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Conway said, "Our press secretary, Sean Spicer, gave alternative facts to that [i.e., Donald Trump's inaugural crowd size], but the point remains that...
 
Rexedgar said:
Conway said, "Our press secretary, Sean Spicer, gave alternative facts to that [i.e., Donald Trump's inaugural crowd size], but the point remains that...
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It's what authoritarians want -- to discredit legitimate facts so that they're the only source for information. We see it everyday with Trump declaring inconvenient truths "fake news," while asking the public to believe his demonstrable falsehoods as facts. What's disturbing is that his rabble don't seem to care what is true and what is false.

We see it above, with cabse5 repeating the Trump lie that Russian collusion was a hoax and a conspiracy theory, when the intelligence services and the Mueller report say the opposite.
 
MTAtech said:
You first said the Biden family got a million a year, when Joe Biden never saw a penny.
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How do you know Joe Biden never saw a penny? But that's not the case. His son, part of the family, made a million a year from the corrupt Ukraine and that never would have happened without a word from Joe. And did you not see Joe on video boasting how he withheld aid money? FLASHBACK, 2018: Joe Biden Brags At CFR Meeting About Withholding Aid To Ukraine To Force Firing Of Prosecutor | Video | RealClearPolitics
That’s the sleazy innuendo your side uses. How do you know his salary? The number keeps increasing as time goes on. Perhaps they thought hiring Hunter would buy them influence. All indications are that they were wrong.
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Should not these 'sleazy innuendos' be investigated? But in fact they are not "innuendos". Biden has openly admitted to it and the money trail is there. It's just not being openly acknowledged. And certainly not when they're going after the President for much less. Yes, $50,000 a month was admitted to but the court records show it was actually $83,000 a month, which rounds off to a million dollars a year.
As stated many times, Trump wanted the Ukraine to announce an investigation into Biden, whether they did it or not. Saying Trump was interested in fighting corruption is laughable. Believing that tripe is worse.
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Only an investigation will tell the truth. Until then none of it is 'laughable'.
I know you want to pretend we’re having a serious discussion when we both know it isn’t serious.
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Thanks for the explanation. I admit I did take you seriously for a while.
 
uptower said:
On the subject of trump’s corruption I believe the content listed in the articles of impeachment. As for the transcript nobody has to ‘lie’ about it. We all read it and trump’s guilt is obvious.
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What "Guilt" are you referring to and is it listed in the Articles of Impeachment?
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
How do you know Joe Biden never saw a penny?
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How do you know he did? Show some evidence.

His son, part of the family, made a million a year
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He did? Have any proof? What did he do for it?

And did you not see Joe on video boasting how he withheld aid money?
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Why did he do it?

Should not these 'sleazy innuendos' be investigated?
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You have any indication of illegality?
 
prometeus said:
How do you know he did? Show some evidence.

He did? Have any proof? What did he do for it?

Why did he do it?

You have any indication of illegality?
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You're asking many questions which should be answered, which is why there needs to be an investigation and why Trump wanted one. There is also an appearance of illegality with the Biden family getting millions from the Ukraine (and China apparently) and a prosecutor getting fired because of Biden. It all stinks, doesn't it?
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
You're asking many questions which should be answered, which is why there needs to be an investigation and why Trump wanted one. There is also an appearance of illegality with the Biden family getting millions from the Ukraine (and China apparently) and a prosecutor getting fired because of Biden. It all stinks, doesn't it?
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You guys are such knuckleheads to believe the BS that the right-wing pedals. According to their story, Donald Trump, who loves the corrupt dictators in Saudi Arabia, Russia and North Korea but was somehow deeply concerned with corruption in the Ukraine and it just was a mere coincidence that the only corruption he was interested in related to Biden. Thus, instead of opening up an investigation in the U.S., with his own FBI, he asks his personal attorney, who has no investigative authority, to investigate. But that's not all. He then tried to shakedown the Ukrainian president by illegally withholding needed aid until the Ukrainian president merely "said" that he opened an investigation -- he really didn't have to do it.

Anyone who believes the right-wing narrative is either naive or willfully ignorant.

All other people see this for what it is: Trump seeing that Biden leads him in polls, saw a scheme to mark Biden as corrupt by getting the Ukraine to say they are investigating him for corruption. The investigation wouldn't finish by election day leaving Biden with a big question mark on his head.
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
You're asking many questions which should be answered, which is why there needs to be an investigation and why Trump wanted one. There is also an appearance of illegality with the Biden family getting millions from the Ukraine (and China apparently) and a prosecutor getting fired because of Biden. It all stinks, doesn't it?
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So you have nothing only the talking points fed to you. You should try some independent thinking, you will be amazed what you can learn.
 
MTAtech said:
You guys are such knuckleheads to believe the BS that the right-wing pedals. According to their story, Donald Trump, who loves the corrupt dictators in Saudi Arabia, Russia and North Korea but was somehow deeply concerned with corruption in the Ukraine and it just was a mere coincidence that the only corruption he was interested in related to Biden. Thus, instead of opening up an investigation in the U.S., with his own FBI, he asks his personal attorney, who has no investigative authority, to investigate. But that's not all. He then tried to shakedown the Ukrainian president by illegally withholding needed aid until the Ukrainian president merely "said" that he opened an investigation -- he really didn't have to do it.

Anyone who believes the right-wing narrative is either naive or willfully ignorant.

All other people see this for what it is: Trump seeing that Biden leads him in polls, saw a scheme to mark Biden as corrupt by getting the Ukraine to say they are investigating him for corruption. The investigation wouldn't finish by election day leaving Biden with a big question mark on his head.
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An interesting nothing to see here analysis. Biden has always had ??? over his head.
 
prometeus said:
So you have nothing only the talking points fed to you. You should try some independent thinking, you will be amazed what you can learn.
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If Trump is being investigated for withholding aid for a QPQ shouldn't the same apply to the Bidens?

Lefist insults go nowhere, btw. That just means you have nothing else to offer.
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
If Trump is being investigated for withholding aid for a QPQ shouldn't the same apply to the Bidens?
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Do you have any indication of wrongdoing by them?

Lefist insults go nowhere, btw.
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Facts are insults only to those who lack the capacity or integrity to recognize them

That just means you have nothing else to offer.
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You made the ****ing assertion it is you who has to offer something to support it, which you clearly can not.
 
prometeus said:
Do you have any indication of wrongdoing by them?
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Yes. FLASHBACK, 2018: Joe Biden Brags At CFR Meeting About Withholding Aid To Ukraine To Force Firing Of Prosecutor | Video | RealClearPolitics
Facts are insults only to those who lack the capacity or integrity to recognize them
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Except you didn't post any facts, only insults. However if you want to get into insults, and it's okay with the moderators, we can go there. But it is something you should consider carefully because I'm obviously more intelligent than you are.
You made the ****ing assertion it is you who has to offer something to support it, which you clearly can not.
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This is an example of what I mean. Limited vocabulary and limited comprehension skills..
 
James972 said:
they admitted to taking $50k /month!!
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No "they" didn't. Hunter Biden was on the payroll. Newsflash: Professionals get paid for services. Shocking. Are you as outraged that Giuliani gets paid millions?
 
MTAtech said:
Thus, instead of opening up an investigation in the U.S., with his own FBI,.
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Actually deep state FBI had just attempted a coup against Trump so might not say his own FBI. NOtice the way a liberal always makes a conservative feel like a kindergarten teacher?
 
MTAtech said:
He then tried to shakedown the Ukrainian president by illegally withholding needed aid.
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Trump and Biden withheld aid because it was policy, long standing policy. 1+1=2
 
TomFitz said:
After all, they doctored this thing up.

And this was the best they could do!
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if you have evidence it was doctored I'll pay you $10,000. Bet???

Trump and Biden traded aid for anti corruption; it was policy not impeachable. Case must be thrown out.
 
James972 said:
Actually deep state FBI had just attempted a coup against Trump so might not say his own FBI. NOtice the way a liberal always makes a conservative feel like a kindergarten teacher?
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Seems to be a bumper crop of unhinged posters here today. Must be a full moon. I feel like I'm overseeing an asylum.
 
MTAtech said:
Seems to be a bumper crop of unhinged posters here today. Must be a full moon. I feel like I'm overseeing an asylum.
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you said Trump's FBI before I taught you the FBI had just tried a coup against him (for which some will now go to prison) and therefore was not "his FBI" and not available to investigate for him in Ukraine. 1+1=2


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James972 said:
you said Trump's FBI before I taught you the FBI had just tried a coup against him (for which some will now go to prison) and therefore was not "his FBI" and not available to investigate for him in Ukraine. 1+1=2


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You taught me nothing. Don't flatter yourself. The idea that the FBI, a conservative disciplined organization planned a coupe belongs in the conspiracy theory section of this forum. People who believe those notions cling to conspiracy theories, unproven allegations and propaganda. This is how I view you -- as an unhinged member of society looking under your bed for the deep state -- who is furious against your messiah, Trump.
 
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MTAtech said:
No "they" didn't. Hunter Biden was on the payroll. Newsflash: Professionals get paid for services. Shocking. Are you as outraged that Giuliani gets paid millions?
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Yes, Hunter Biden was on the board of one of the most corrupt companies in the world for five years, being paid millions, but nothing to see here...YouTube
 
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