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Giuliani requested meeting with Ukraine president, new Trump impeachment evidence shows

jmotivator said:
Fair enough. That answers that question. Care to comment on the Politico article I posted before that?
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Yeah, I read it. It points out that there are MULTIPLE examples of Rudy trying to meet with ZELENSKYY, and his senior staff.

There are plenty of examples of Giuliani attempting to arrange a meeting with Zelensky, and he did in fact meet with top aides to the Ukrainian president — even though Parnas’ role in the whole matter is still unclear. And Democrats have not predicated their impeachment trial arguments on Parnas' new allegations, making limited references to the former Giuliani associate in their brief.
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I'm not exactly sure why getting this one of many examples wrong is significant or changes the basic story in any way, since Rudy did as alleged, but it's not backed up by that one text message. The ability to review it was rushed because Parnas had to go to court to get DoJ to allow Parnas access to this evidence and turn it over, which didn't happen until the last possible minute, evidence the DoJ has had for weeks and did nothing with. It's too bad the interpretation was rushed, but that's what the circumstances demanded.

And if the GOP want to call Parnas to testify and point out this example, go for it. I'd love to hear him under oath, and citing the evidence, that the GOP can challenge like they did here.
 
jmotivator said:
So this evidence that the Democrats are so breathless about apparently was... wait for it... likely mischaracterized by Schiff. Shocker, I know!

Schiff may have mischaracterized Parnas evidence, documents show - POLITICO

So Schiff sees notes of Giuliani seeking a meeting with "Mr. Z" and then rushes out, barely able to pull his pants up, screaming he has the goods.

Except he failed to read the corresponding notes from the meeting which was all about "Mr. Z" detailing how he built Burisma... meaning the interview was actually with the president of Burisma, Mr. Zlochevsky.

Seriously, there has to be a last straw with the Schiff faithful, doesn't there? How many times do they need to be burned by his lies and sloppy investigating?
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Adam Schiff is a serial liar and most every observer sees and understands this. His constant claims of "overwhelming evidence" have gone nowhere. Now they want more 'witnesses' but cannot explain why because there is no crime.

Nonetheless the slavering leftists, objecting to a phone call, still want him run out of office and his name struck from ballot in the November elections.
https://www.amazon.ca/Deliberate-Dumbing-Abridged-Charlotte-2011-05-03/dp/B01FGMTF02
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
They have blood in their eyes and their hatred of the president extends to everyone in his family and all those associated with him.

It's very easy to write them off as being foolish and not too bright but they've recently become a greater danger to the public and the country - they will accept lies and violence in order to support their hatreds- and there are few on the left who denounce it.

Everything from Antifa, to Red Hats, to attacking people out for a private meal to James Hodgkinson. They are becoming unhinged and it is not a healthy sign for the future of the country.
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The Democrats are asking to call these people as witnesses. If you're interested in the truth, why do you oppose those efforts? The GOP and Trump's lawyers can interrogate them if they want, but we'd get to hear first hand from Rudy, Bolton, Parnas, etc. What's unhinged about that? Isn't that kind of what we would all like to see? Why is that a danger to the republic? Inquiring minds want to know!
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
Adam Schiff is a serial liar and most every observer sees and understands this. His constant claims of "overwhelming evidence" have gone nowhere. Now they want more 'witnesses' but cannot explain why because there is no crime.

Nonetheless the slavering leftists, objecting to a phone call, still want him run out of office and his name struck from ballot in the November elections.
Robot Check
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Sure, they can explain why - getting testimony under oath from those FIRST HAND WITNESSES, those involved, is the best way get at the truth. What better way is there? Have these guys making statements to the press, where they can all lie without consequence?
 
JasperL said:
Yeah, I read it. It points out that there are MULTIPLE examples of Rudy trying to meet with ZELENSKYY, and his senior staff.

I'm not exactly sure why getting this one of many examples wrong is significant or changes the basic story in any way, since Rudy did as alleged, but it's not backed up by that one text message. The ability to review it was rushed because Parnas had to go to court to get DoJ to allow Parnas access to this evidence and turn it over, which didn't happen until the last possible minute, evidence the DoJ has had for weeks and did nothing with. It's too bad the interpretation was rushed, but that's what the circumstances demanded.

And if the GOP want to call Parnas to testify and point out this example, go for it. I'd love to hear him under oath, and citing the evidence, that the GOP can challenge like they did here.
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We knew that Giuliani was meeting Zelensky because it was already in the transcript. But he was meeting Zelensky about the Crowdstrike investigation, not the Bidens. Parnas is supposed to be the guy who connects the dots, and had evidence of the Biden/Aid connection... except that connection depended on the arrangement of the meeting with "Mr. K" and his claim that the meeting was about Biden. Except that the meeting was with the head of Burisma, not the Ukrainian president.

It is also more evidence that Schiff is a horribly sloppy investigator and seems to stop looking when he thinks the evidence meets what he wanted to find.

Granted, that should be evident in the fact that Schiff has arrived at trial demanding that the Republicans do his job for him.
 
jmotivator said:
We knew that Giuliani was meeting Zelensky because it was already in the transcript. But he was meeting Zelensky about the Crowdstrike investigation, not the Bidens. Parnas is supposed to be the guy who connects the dots, and had evidence of the Biden/Aid connection... except that connection depended on the arrangement of the meeting with "Mr. K" and his claim that the meeting was about Biden. Except that the meeting was with the head of Burisma, not the Ukrainian president.
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You're just making stuff up. The connection between aid and the Bidens is demonstrated in the evidence already before us, in texts from Z's aide that make it clear, from the testimony of all the diplomats working on it. Trump and Rudy and Mulvaney among others have admitted to pressuring Z to announce the investigation into Bidens. All that's missing is the "FIRST HAND!!!!" testimony of Rudy and his motley crew, and the explicit nature of the QPQ. If you watched the Parnas interview, he makes that VERY clear. That interview wasn't under oath, so bring him to Congress, put him under oath and ask him. Nothing at all depends on that text. It's fantasy and gaslighting to assert it to anyone who is familiar with the evidence.

It is also more evidence that Schiff is a horribly sloppy investigator and seems to stop looking when he thinks the evidence meets what he wanted to find.

Granted, that should be evident in the fact that Schiff has arrived at trial demanding that the Republicans do his job for him.
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Don't pretend you give a damn about the facts. Parnas told you what happened in the clearest terms, and you don't care, and instead peddle this garbage.
 
JasperL said:
You're just making stuff up. The connection between aid and the Bidens is demonstrated in the evidence already before us, in texts from Z's aide that make it clear, from the testimony of all the diplomats working on it. Trump and Rudy and Mulvaney among others have admitted to pressuring Z to announce the investigation into Bidens. All that's missing is the "FIRST HAND!!!!" testimony of Rudy and his motley crew, and the explicit nature of the QPQ. If you watched the Parnas interview, he makes that VERY clear. That interview wasn't under oath, so bring him to Congress, put him under oath and ask him. Nothing at all depends on that text. It's fantasy and gaslighting to assert it to anyone who is familiar with the evidence.
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Well, no, now you are making stuff up. There was exactly zero witnesses and zero documentation to any such deal in the Impeachment filing. You are lying to yourself.

The clue that your statement is false is the fact that no such evidence was presented in the articles of impeachment, only witnesses to rumors.

Don't pretend you give a damn about the facts. Parnas told you what happened in the clearest terms, and you don't care, and instead peddle this garbage.
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Parnas made a statement that he has knowledge, but he is a proven liar. We need a chain of custody on that evidence and all communication between Parnas and Schiff. Any other person on trial and you'd want to know how a mystery man appears at trial with eyewitness testimony to exactly what the prosecutor couldn't prove before court.

Hell, I want all communication between Schiff and the Show Runner for Law&Order. :lol:
 
JasperL said:
The Democrats are asking to call these people as witnesses. If you're interested in the truth, why do you oppose those efforts?
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I'm very interested in the truth, but the truth to what? The Democrats have had their chance to get at the truth and, because they impeached the president, would seem to have found it. What further truth can they possibly be after?

The GOP and Trump's lawyers can interrogate them if they want, but we'd get to hear first hand from Rudy, Bolton, Parnas, etc. What's unhinged about that? Isn't that kind of what we would all like to see? Why is that a danger to the republic? Inquiring minds want to know!
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The House had their chance to interview all these people - all they had to do was issue subpoenas. However they chose to go ahead with impeachment anyway and, unless the majority in the Senate deems otherwise, they're stuck with it.
 
jmotivator said:
Well, no, now you are making stuff up. There was exactly zero witnesses and zero documentation to any such deal in the Impeachment filing. You are lying to yourself.

The clue that your statement is false is the fact that no such evidence was presented in the articles of impeachment, only witnesses to rumors.

Parnas made a statement that he has knowledge, but he is a proven liar. We need a chain of custody on that evidence and all communication between Parnas and Schiff. Any other person on trial and you'd want to know how a mystery man appears at trial with eyewitness testimony to exactly what the prosecutor couldn't prove before court.

Hell, I want all communication between Schiff and the Show Runner for Law&Order. :lol:
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Sheesh, I might as well watch Fox News if I want to hear garbage like that.
 
JasperL said:
Sheesh, I might as well watch Fox News if I want to hear garbage like that.
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LOL! I don't watch Fox. I'll just add it to the list of your bogus assumptions.
 
JasperL said:
Parnas told you what happened in the clearest terms,
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yes he said Trump and Biden were implementing long standing policy by trading military aid for anti corruption. And?????????
 
James972 said:
yes he said Trump and Biden were implementing long standing policy by trading military aid for anti corruption. And?????????
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First of all, you jumped in the middle of a conversation, snipped my quote of all context, to make a bad point. So is the story now that there was a QPQ? We've been told for months there wasn't, now there is, but it's OK because it's the same one Joe Biden had? :confused:

Is it too much to ask for you guys to figure out a story and stick with it for like a week solid before changing it once Trump's lies are made obvious? I guess the way it works is, Trump lies, we all know he is, his defenders deny he's lying, evidence comes out that proves he's lying, so the story changes to fit the new evidence, and a different set of lies is advanced. It's kind of dizzying keeping up, to be honest.
 
JasperL said:
First of all, you jumped in the middle of a conversation, snipped my quote of all context, to make a bad point. So is the story now that there was a QPQ? We've been told for months there wasn't, now there is, but it's OK because it's the same one Joe Biden had? :confused:
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why confused?? we all heard the phone calls. Trump and Biden were trading aid for anti corruption. It was long standing policy toward many countries.
 
JasperL said:
Is it too much to ask for you guys to figure out a story and stick with it for like a week solid before changing it once Trump's lies are made obvious? I guess the way it works is, Trump lies, we all know he is, his defenders deny he's lying, evidence comes out that proves he's lying, so the story changes to fit the new evidence, and a different set of lies is advanced. It's kind of dizzying keeping up, to be honest.
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its over your head by 100 miles . When accused you always deny the facts and make them prove every one of them if possible, and then if they are still on their feet you debate the law. If you ever get arrested or accused that is the path your attorney is obliged to follow. Notice the way a liberal makes a conservative feel like a kindergarten teacher?
 
JasperL said:
FIRST HAND WITNESSES, those involved, is the best way get at the truth.
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OMG!! Nobody disputes the truth. Trump and Biden and many others traded aid for anti corruption as per long standing foreign policy. Schiff is pretending there is truth to discovery because he knows how low Dim's IQ's are and how their hatred will make them believe anything.
 
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