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US budget deficit running 11.8% higher this year

Obviously "the Greatest President ever!" is running the nation like one of his casinos.

Mr. Trump - personally - didn't lose a dime when the casinos went bankrupt (and didn't have to pay back any of the money that he had received from the casinos while they were in the process of going bankrupt).

This is what Mr. Trump describes as "smart business practice".
 
666 Fifth Avenue

Mr. Kushner's company got out of that one with only a measly $500,000,000 loss. Considering that it was facing losing even more that qualifies as "success" for tax and business accounting purposes.
 
ISIS is not destroyed. It's been decentralized for sure, but not destroyed.

What you have to remember is that if ISISISILDAESHWHATEVER undergoes another "re-branding" then ISISISISILDAESHWHATEVER will no longer exist as ISISISISILDAESHWHATEVER and that will meant that ISISISISILDAESHWHATEVER has "been destroyed".
 
Tell us something about the budget deficit we don't already know. Politicians love to spend money without paying for it, not surprising.

That last is completely untrue.

Politicians love to spend "taxpayer's money".

Politicians are "taxpayers".

That means that politicians ARE "paying for it" whenever they spend "taxpayer's money".

Now, if you had said something like

"Politicians love to spend taxpayer's money on things that will (primarily) improve their own chances of re-election ESPECIALLY if most of that taxpayer's money is coming from people who are NOT members of that portion of the electorate which will be voting on whether or not they will be re-elected."

I wouldn't have and any difficulty with it.
 
The statement "it is the best three years of any President in modern history" is really pretty dependent on how you define "modern history", isn't it.

I believe that the definition of "modern history" that "Conservative" uses is (most likely) "That period of time commencing at 9:00 a.m. PST on January 20, 2017" in which case the statement "it is the best three years of any President in modern history" is absolutely and unquestionably 100% true.

NO, I call Modern History the period of time AFTER the Great Recession when my history actually began. What is absolutely true is the failure of far too many not understanding the Unified budget and how much of that is due to entitlements which was my point all along
 
Mr. Trump - personally - didn't lose a dime when the casinos went bankrupt (and didn't have to pay back any of the money that he had received from the casinos while they were in the process of going bankrupt).

This is what Mr. Trump describes as "smart business practice".

This is also what is called liberals re-writing history totally ignoring that Trump put businesses in areas that were hurting and gave people there the opportunity to benefit in terms of jobs. He was driven out of business not by business practices but gov't action causing economic downturn. I prefer someone with that kind of experience, one of losing and one of winning vs. a public servant who spent their entire life in pubic service. Obama and most public servants have no understanding of a financial statement or balance sheet, have never had to make a payroll, never had the responsibility for thousands of private sector employees, never had to pay taxes on their businesses. These people were put in charge of bringing us out of a financial recession and what did Obama do?? Bailed out unions supposedly saving jobs with taxpayer dollars that only kicked the can down the road. He recycled TARP blaming Bush for the entire 2009 deficit even though there was no Bush budget and even though TARP, 350 billion Bush loan was repaid.
 
This is also what is called liberals re-writing history totally ignoring that Trump put businesses in areas that were hurting and gave people there the opportunity to benefit in terms of jobs. He was driven out of business not by business practices but gov't action causing economic downturn. I prefer someone with that kind of experience, one of losing and one of winning vs. a public servant who spent their entire life in pubic service. Obama and most public servants have no understanding of a financial statement or balance sheet, have never had to make a payroll, never had the responsibility for thousands of private sector employees, never had to pay taxes on their businesses. These people were put in charge of bringing us out of a financial recession and what did Obama do?? Bailed out unions supposedly saving jobs with taxpayer dollars that only kicked the can down the road. He recycled TARP blaming Bush for the entire 2009 deficit even though there was no Bush budget and even though TARP, 350 billion Bush loan was repaid.


Then you can't think someone like Trump is the right man for the job. He isn't some regular Joe who started up his own company and knows from first hand experience what making payroll or any other day to day operations means. As for his casinos, he went bankrupt because he bit off way more than he could chew. The money he used to fund his casino ventures was borrowed at really high interest rates, and then he failed at getting enough people to gamble at his casinos to make his ventures really profitable. Trump made out well, but the city and people whom those casinos employed, not so much. I'm not against business people holding public office, but someone like Trump is the type who only cares about how he makes out with little concern for others.

As for jobs, bringing manufacturing back to some regions isn't a long term fix to where manufacturing is heading. Some of the jobs that have come back which he touted early on have suffered losses due to the impending changes which come from automation. From a business perspective, machines are just a better bet than people. Sure, robots cost a bit up front, but you can greatly reduce personnel and don't have to pay benefits. This is why I thought what was lacking in Trump's "bring jobs back" strategy is he made no provisions to help transition people from soon to be defunct manufacturing jobs.
 
Then you can't think someone like Trump is the right man for the job. He isn't some regular Joe who started up his own company and knows from first hand experience what making payroll or any other day to day operations means. As for his casinos, he went bankrupt because he bit off way more than he could chew. The money he used to fund his casino ventures was borrowed at really high interest rates, and then he failed at getting enough people to gamble at his casinos to make his ventures really profitable. Trump made out well, but the city and people whom those casinos employed, not so much. I'm not against business people holding public office, but someone like Trump is the type who only cares about how he makes out with little concern for others.

As for jobs, bringing manufacturing back to some regions isn't a long term fix to where manufacturing is heading. Some of the jobs that have come back which he touted early on have suffered losses due to the impending changes which come from automation. From a business perspective, machines are just a better bet than people. Sure, robots cost a bit up front, but you can greatly reduce personnel and don't have to pay benefits. This is why I thought what was lacking in Trump's "bring jobs back" strategy is he made no provisions to help transition people from soon to be defunct manufacturing jobs.

A lot of people are like Trump and regardless of how he started he had a business, he ran businesses, he succeeded and he failed, what are the experience of the top tier Democratic Candidates

I am waiting for you to explain how these results have hurt American and why they aren't indicative of Trump's pro growth economic policies? You just cannot bring yourself to admitting Trump has been successful even though 54% believe that to be the case on the economy and it is the economy that matters except to rich liberal elites who see their power shrinking

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval - Economy

You people really need to focus on what really is important not your social issues which are state and local responsibilities. Your state is an economic disaster and leads the nation in people fleeing from it. Isn't it time to admit you are wrong about liberal economics?
 
A lot of people are like Trump and regardless of how he started he had a business, he ran businesses, he succeeded and he failed, what are the experience of the top tier Democratic Candidates

I am waiting for you to explain how these results have hurt American and why they aren't indicative of Trump's pro growth economic policies? You just cannot bring yourself to admitting Trump has been successful even though 54% believe that to be the case on the economy and it is the economy that matters except to rich liberal elites who see their power shrinking

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval - Economy

You people really need to focus on what really is important not your social issues which are state and local responsibilities. Your state is an economic disaster and leads the nation in people fleeing from it. Isn't it time to admit you are wrong about liberal economics?
You are waiting for an explanation to how Trump borrowing people’s money and going bankrupt hurt people? You’ve got to be joking. People lost their money, including banks, while Trump walked off unharmed. Others lost their jobs when his businesses were forced to close. Contractors, who Trump owed money for services rendered were unable to recover what they were due. In one year, 9% of all business losses nationwide were his, putting taxpayers on the hook. The guy leaves a wake of destruction as he moves through the business world.

That’s how.

You repeat that Trump is pro growth but ignore gdp growth rates that are no different than Obama.
 
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Then you can't think someone like Trump is the right man for the job. He isn't some regular Joe who started up his own company and knows from first hand experience what making payroll or any other day to day operations means. As for his casinos, he went bankrupt because he bit off way more than he could chew. The money he used to fund his casino ventures was borrowed at really high interest rates, and then he failed at getting enough people to gamble at his casinos to make his ventures really profitable. Trump made out well, but the city and people whom those casinos employed, not so much. I'm not against business people holding public office, but someone like Trump is the type who only cares about how he makes out with little concern for others.

As for jobs, bringing manufacturing back to some regions isn't a long term fix to where manufacturing is heading. Some of the jobs that have come back which he touted early on have suffered losses due to the impending changes which come from automation. From a business perspective, machines are just a better bet than people. Sure, robots cost a bit up front, but you can greatly reduce personnel and don't have to pay benefits. This is why I thought what was lacking in Trump's "bring jobs back" strategy is he made no provisions to help transition people from soon to be defunct manufacturing jobs.

Trump actually bankrupted a 5 star hotel in Manhattan...lol The Plaza. You got to be a special kind of stupid and incompetent to bankrupt a 5 star hotel in the money capital of the world.
 
According to Bloomberg

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But I think everything will be O.K. US have an agreement with the FED's owners. Some draw pieces of paper and make sure that they are not devalued. Others take them on loan, distribute the debt load around the world using democratic sanctions and peaceful bombing and make sure that everyone is properly paid % to these money printers. Complete harmony. In order for the US to get off the debt needle and not fall below everyone, you just need to drop the rest as low as possible.
I'm sure they know. We'll be allright, just keep making the democratic choice of two or more candidates from the bourgeois class.
 
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Hollywood actors probably do that too, your point? You know the guys you people look up to for some stupid reason.
If Hollywood actors are superrich, they may or may not hold assets in offshore tax havens. It really doesn't undercut the argument that this is a method the super rich use.

Moreover, "Hollywood actors" aren't monolithic in their politics. There are liberals, like Michael Moore (I'll throw in directors with actors) as well as John Vogt, who's an ultra conservative.
 
A lot of people are like Trump and regardless of how he started he had a business, he ran businesses, he succeeded and he failed, what are the experience of the top tier Democratic Candidates

Surely you're familiar enough with all of the candidates to know what their experience is.

I am waiting for you to explain how these results have hurt American and why they aren't indicative of Trump's pro growth economic policies? You just cannot bring yourself to admitting Trump has been successful even though 54% believe that to be the case on the economy and it is the economy that matters except to rich liberal elites who see their power shrinking

I know this is going down the same rabbit hole because your focus is only on economic matters as if the president has nothing else under his purview. Since that's your only focus, there's no point discussing this further. If you're going to ask how he's hurt me personally, well he hasn't, and mainly because I'm in a financial position where I'm not dependent on the policies of the president for my financial success. While you like to present the same poll results, you never address why that success hasn't influenced his general approval rating which as of yet has not broken the 50% mark. It seems really odd that a president sitting on a strong economy can't crack that mark. Why do you think that is?

How Popular Is Donald Trump? | FiveThirtyEight

You people really need to focus on what really is important not your social issues which are state and local responsibilities. Your state is an economic disaster and leads the nation in people fleeing from it. Isn't it time to admit you are wrong about liberal economics?

:lamo

More ankle biting about my adopted state? You should find new ankles to bite. I posted a link to some more detailed information about why people are leaving the state which you clearly didn't bother to read.
 
Surely you're familiar enough with all of the candidates to know what their experience is.



I know this is going down the same rabbit hole because your focus is only on economic matters as if the president has nothing else under his purview. Since that's your only focus, there's no point discussing this further. If you're going to ask how he's hurt me personally, well he hasn't, and mainly because I'm in a financial position where I'm not dependent on the policies of the president for my financial success. While you like to present the same poll results, you never address why that success hasn't influenced his general approval rating which as of yet has not broken the 50% mark. It seems really odd that a president sitting on a strong economy can't crack that mark. Why do you think that is?

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval - Economy



:lamo

More ankle biting about my adopted state? You should find new ankles to bite. I posted a link to some more detailed information about why people are leaving the state which you clearly didn't bother to read.

See therein lies your problem, you aren't affected but seem to believe you understand what issues are important to others, issues more important that putting a roof over their head, food on the table, and clothes on their backs. This is typical liberal elite rhetoric promoting spending in the name of compassion since that is what you believe gov't does. Let me break it to you, Compassion is the last thing on a bureaucrats mind, keeping power is

You claim you aren't dependent on policies created by the President but millions of people are. Tax cuts, regulation reform have benefited most Americans in the last three years by putting more money into their pockets to allow them not bureaucrats to manage personal responsibility issues.

I am not ankle biting your state but pointing out actual results going on in your state that you seem oblivious to because you are so well off financial that nothing affects you.

As for the general rating on the President right now he is focused 24/7 which will change when the Democrats nominate a candidate. As always though people will vote their own self interest and no President in history has ever lost re-election with over 50% approval rating on the economy. Economic issues are the SINGLE most important issue to the average American. Whereas buying votes is important to a bureaucrat, keeping more of what people earn generates a better return on investment for the individual and that is how they will vote
 
I await for you to learn how to accurately use the quote function when responding. Your total lack of understanding of data is based solely on your hatred of Trump and not reality that 2016 election is over and he was elected in spite of the charges you continue to levy against him and the results generated are as posted vs. what he inherited. Those numbers are what the American people are feeling but that doesn't resonate with radicals who are seeing their power eroded by people keeping more of what they earn. The entire deficit up 11.8% is due entirely to entitlement spending and debt service, none of which are under the control of the President



I await your recognition of your own words.

Obama faced the same entitlement spending and debt service as Trump now faces. Yet, Obama’s record is of reducing the deficit more often than not. But Trump’s tax cut to the rich and large corps is not bringing in the money, is not producing the growth, he promised.

You asked what numbers I wanted from you, though I’d already specified in the immediate prior post. So, I repeated my request. You now, as usual, fail to provide those numbers.

You’re not a credible debater. Your disingenuity and lack of forthright reply is a matter of record. You’ve failed to support any claim of yours in this debate of ours, making any claim of yours unfounded. No further debate is necessary on my part.
 
I await your recognition of your own words.

Obama faced the same entitlement spending and debt service as Trump now faces. Yet, Obama’s record is of reducing the deficit more often than not. But Trump’s tax cut to the rich and large corps is not bringing in the money, is not producing the growth, he promised.

You asked what numbers I wanted from you, though I’d already specified in the immediate prior post. So, I repeated my request. You now, as usual, fail to provide those numbers.

You’re not a credible debater. Your disingenuity and lack of forthright reply is a matter of record. You’ve failed to support any claim of yours in this debate of ours, making any claim of yours unfounded. No further debate is necessary on my part.

I have made that point over and over again which of course you refused to acknowledge but let me be clear, Obama's record was the problem, his 842 billion stimulus had nothing to do with entitlement spending but was supposed to create new taxpayers, IT FAILED, 4 million fewer in 2009 and 3 million fewer in 2010 not getting back to pre recession levels until 2014, that isn't the kind of economy that generates revenue to keep the deficits down

Obama also had zero interest rates to benefit his deficits and still added 9.3 trillion to the debt. Your loyalty to Obama and liberalism is on full display as also is your lack of understanding of the line items of the budget.

Right now the entire 11.8% increase in the deficit is due to Interest expense becoming the 4th largest budget item and entitlement spending being 2/3 of the budget

You want specific numbers? I have given them to you over and over again only to be ignored. Use Google as it is normally a friend but not to radicals Google Budget of the United States

Not sure what your definition of support is but posting the budget, using bea.gov(Treasury data), and BLS.gov(employment/unemployment) data doesn't seem to meet your standards. Apparently you prefer left wing media reports and partisan House members rhteoric
 
Surely you're familiar enough with all of the candidates to know what their experience is.



I know this is going down the same rabbit hole because your focus is only on economic matters as if the president has nothing else under his purview. Since that's your only focus, there's no point discussing this further. If you're going to ask how he's hurt me personally, well he hasn't, and mainly because I'm in a financial position where I'm not dependent on the policies of the president for my financial success. While you like to present the same poll results, you never address why that success hasn't influenced his general approval rating which as of yet has not broken the 50% mark. It seems really odd that a president sitting on a strong economy can't crack that mark. Why do you think that is?

How Popular Is Donald Trump? | FiveThirtyEight



:lamo

More ankle biting about my adopted state? You should find new ankles to bite. I posted a link to some more detailed information about why people are leaving the state which you clearly didn't bother to read.

I find it quite telling how you focus on Presidential approval polls but never Congressional approval polls. Apparently your lack of civics education is a problem for you since it is Congress that makes the laws and controls the purse strings but it is the President that proposes the agenda. How popular is Congress?? Hmmmm

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Congressional Job Approval
 
I find it quite telling how you focus on Presidential approval polls but never Congressional approval polls. Apparently your lack of civics education is a problem for you since it is Congress that makes the laws and controls the purse strings but it is the President that proposes the agenda. How popular is Congress?? Hmmmm

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Congressional Job Approval

You should find your myopic use of polls more interesting. I brought up the broader approval poll to point out how the support for Trump on his handling of the economy has not made an impact on his overall performance. We're talking about the president, and not congress approval; are you moving the goal posts now? Oh, and do get some new material. This whole "your lack of civics education" is stale.
 
You should find your myopic use of polls more interesting. I brought up the broader approval poll to point out how the support for Trump on his handling of the economy has not made an impact on his overall performance. We're talking about the president, and not congress approval; are you moving the goal posts now? Oh, and do get some new material. This whole "your lack of civics education" is stale.

You continue to apply your liberal lens to all issues in this forum thus my point stands which you still haven't addressed. Congress normally gets about a 90% re-election rate with poll numbers I have posted. President Trump doesn't need a high personal approval rating to be re-elected, the economic results will do it
 
You continue to apply your liberal lens to all issues in this forum thus my point stands which you still haven't addressed. Congress normally gets about a 90% re-election rate with poll numbers I have posted. President Trump doesn't need a high personal approval rating to be re-elected, the economic results will do it

And you apply your conservative lens. I think the Achilles heel for Trump is his general lack of popularity and side show nature of his administration. The question is whether people are going to think any of the other options are going to tank the economy. I don't think they do, and would likely prefer that option than the side show this administration has generally proven itself to be.
 
And you apply your conservative lens. I think the Achilles heel for Trump is his general lack of popularity and side show nature of his administration. The question is whether people are going to think any of the other options are going to tank the economy. I don't think they do, and would likely prefer that option than the side show this administration has generally proven itself to be.

Since it doesn't work with Congress it won't work with the President either and Americans will always vote their own self interest and the results generated benefit those self interests. The other options are as distasteful as they were in 2016. I chose wisely and will again in 2020. You on the other hand will make the same mistakes you always make, either waste your vote on a third party or vote for the candidate with no public sector experience thus get the Obama malaise
 
Since it doesn't work with Congress it won't work with the President either and Americans will always vote their own self interest and the results generated benefit those self interests. The other options are as distasteful as they were in 2016. I chose wisely and will again in 2020. You on the other hand will make the same mistakes you always make, either waste your vote on a third party or vote for the candidate with no public sector experience thus get the Obama malaise

I think you project to much of your own narrow interests on the broader public. Your vote is your prerogative; what's interesting about your posts is the consistency by which you seem to think everyone should share the same view.
 
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