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US budget deficit running 11.8% higher this year

Conservative said:
That is because most conservatives understand the deficit and debt whereas you don't have a clue
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As you offer not a shred of any argument, other than your dumb projection. You people don't know **** about anything, which is why all you have are your idiotic, no argument one liners
 
W_Heisenberg said:
Yes, there is a difference between the Obama deficit and the Trump deficit:

Black President = deficit-spending terrible!

White President = deficit-spending yay!
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Seems the only one bringing race into this issue are liberals like you,

Tell the African Americans now experiencing historic low unemployment that Trump is a racist.

Tell that to the 1.4 million Americans now working full time instead of part time for economic reasons when Trump took office.

Tell that to the 6.6 million new job holders since Trump took office.

Tell that to the states and local governments now getting record cash due to sales tax revenue due to consumer spending

Your loyalty to Obama comes at the expense of the American people who rejected the Obama legacy that you continue to promote
 
jpn said:
Yes, conservatives understand that it's good politics for them to pretend to be all concerned about deficits when Democrats are in power.
And then when Republicans are in power to totally forget about deficits.
And then when Dem's are in power, pretend to be all concerned about deficits.
And then when Republicans...etc., etc., etc.

Reagan took the deficit from 70 billion to 175 billion.
Bush 41 took it to 300 billion.
Clinton got it to zero.
Bush 43 took it from 0 to 1.2 trillion.
Obama halved it to 600 billion.
Trump’s got it back to a trillion.

The thing is, debt isn't necessarily a bad thing, especially if it's being used to invest in America. But tax giveaways to the rich are just stupid and a measure of who the GOP really works for.
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Republican Debt goes to giving rich people money they don't need, and killing brown people. Nothing to actually help, educate, train Americans, or rebuild infrastructure. Can't afford that, but can afford billions in bombs and missiles
 
Sampson Simpson said:
As you offer not a shred of any argument, other than your dumb projection. You people don't know **** about anything, which is why all you have are your idiotic, no argument one liners
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Then I suggest you pay attention to the actual budget, Google it and educate yourself. Getting tired of posting the data to have it ignored. I haven't seen you post any data to even argue so maybe it is you that
don't know **** about anything
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Sampson Simpson said:
Republican Debt goes to giving rich people money they don't need, and killing brown people. Nothing to actually help, educate, train Americans, or rebuild infrastructure. Can't afford that, but can afford billions in bombs and missiles
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So allowing people to keep more of what they earn is the gov't giving people something? Where on earth were you educated?

Killing Brown people?? Don't you people get tired of playing the race card? Try explaining this to the African Americans who are part of the historic low African American unemployment rate. African American unemployment 8.0% vs. 5.9% today? That explains the surge in support from African Americans for Trump
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Funny how the right blames Obama's deficits 100% on Obama, not the Republican Congress he had 6 of his 8 years, but now they blame the deficits under Trump on the Dem Congress.
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It's not amazing, its what these brainless scumbags do. Lie, project, deflect, repeat. over and over again.
 
Sampson Simpson said:
It's not amazing, its what these brainless scumbags do. Lie, project, deflect, repeat. over and over again.
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Do you really think this kind of rhetoric from you serves any real purpose other than showing exactly what kind of person you are? you related to Obama? Sure act like it.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
GOP was in charge of all of Congress during Obama's last 4 years. Any criticism of them from you?

I'll wait..
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delfection. you are complaining about the budget now. so pelosi is in charge of the budget.
so stop deflecting. whataboutism.

yes when republicans were in control of the budget it went from 1.3 trillion down to 500 billion.

amazing.
 
ludin said:
again who is in charge of the house?
why are you avoiding the question?
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For fiscal year 2019 (which is the topic of the thread), the 115th Congress was controlled by the GOP. Same for FY 2018, FY 2017, FY 2016, etc... Both the House and the Senate were under Republican control. Suddenly, when the grip on power is lost, deficits are becoming a thing again.

so please tell us who was in charge of the house for 2018 and 2019.
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For FY 2018, the 115th Congress was in GOP control.

For FY 2019, the 116th Congress was split (HOR was Dem). However, it was the 115th Congress that sent the first spending resolutions to the POTUS.


are you going to run away now?
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:lamo
 
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eman623 said:
Interesting, but that's not what I said. I said SS is going to be a bigger driver of deficits than Medicare or Medicaid. I see a couple of problems in your graph:

1. Your graph combines Medicare and Medicaid (and CHIP and the ACA and probably SNAP) all together even though they are separate programs.
2. There's no mention of how much revenue SS will collect each year vs how much it will pay out, or how much all the other programs will collect vs pay out. That difference is the driver of deficits.
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Medicare costs are largely a function of retirees and ballooning healthcare costs. Social security is only a function of retirees and perhaps tiny cost of living adjustments. Both have trust funds, with Medicare's predicted to run out far sooner than the one for SS.

Sorry, you are just wrong here. I doubt you can find a single expert that agrees with you.
 
Kushinator said:
For fiscal year 2019 (which is the topic of the thread), the 115th Congress was controlled by the GOP. Same for FY 2018, FY 2017, FY 2016, etc... Both the House and the Senate were under Republican control. Suddenly, when the grip on power is lost, deficits are becoming a thing again.



For FY 2018, the 115th Congress was in GOP control.

For FY 2019, the 116th Congress was split (HOR was Dem). However, it was the 115th Congress that sent the first spending resolutions to the POTUS.




:lamo
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dishonest as usual. you cut my post out and completely ignored facts you concession is noted.
if you want people to take you more seriously you should try a bit of honesty. there is a reason
that there is a quote button. it is there for you to actually quote people.

instead as usual you cannot address facts.

So Pelosi is in charge of creating the budget along with the house per the constitution.
so if you are complaining about the size of the deficit then you should really talk to her about why
she continues to come up with these massive CR bills instead of an actual budget.

as she is the one in charge of it per the constitution.
thank you for running away as i knew you would. your response is typical of the dishonest leftist that constantly and have
run this forum into the ground.

have a nice day and your concession is noted.
 
ludin said:
you cut my post out and completely ignored facts you concession is noted.
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Your facts were not pertinant to this discussion. I'm well aware of the House's budgetary responsibilities.

instead as usual you cannot address facts.
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I have already showed you who was in control of the HoR (and the Senate). You want to deflect from the failures of your party to cut spending when they had control. They campaigned under the mantra of smaller government. How'd that turn out?

So Pelosi is in charge of creating the budget along with the house per the constitution.
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As of now. For FY 2019, it was the 115th Congress that passed the first spending resolutions, and the HoR passed the minibus spending bill.

so if you are complaining about the size of the deficit then you should really talk to her about why
she continues to come up with these massive CR bills instead of an actual budget.
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Democrats didn't campaign under the mantra of cutting government spending. Why do you expect them to adhere to the promises of their political opposition, when the GOP failed to enact any spending cuts with their Federal majority?

have a nice day and your concession is noted.
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:2wave:
 
MauiMan said:
Those who voted for Trump should feel very foolish right now.
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Not at all. It's somewhat Ironic that those who supported Trump understood that campaign promises where rhetoric and subject to intense opposition from the left, whereas lefties took then as pronouncements from God.
 
Conservative said:
OMG, sure he did, you keep believing that while calling yourself a moderate. When Bush left office the debt was 72% of GDP, it was 105% when Obama left office, it is still 105% showing a growing economy keeping up with interest rate hikes, entitlement spending increases, and a growing GDP
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If Bush was such a "great" president, why aren't republicans now calling Bush to campaign for them? Oh right they can't stand him either. You all get mad when a president does actually reduce the budget deficit which Clinton and praise them when they raise it like Bush did. I am moderate, but I will call out BS on both sides when I see it and Bush is one of the worse presidents we've had. Lucky for us, we will never another have another Bush in office. He took the great economy of the 90s and p**sed on it.
 
Kushinator said:
False.

Obama inherited a $1.18 trillion deficit and a $3.5 trillion budget:

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Tax revenue rebounded in 2012:

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I am sorry, That 1 trillion dollar increase in the federal budget and the bank bailouts and the QE1,2 and 3 were all the key triggers that kept us from going into a depression.

Are you saying Obama was not responsible for that. Damn, I was giving him way more credit than he deserved!!!
 
charliebrown said:
I am sorry, That 1 trillion dollar increase in the federal budget and the bank bailouts and the QE1,2 and 3 were all the key triggers that kept us from going into a depression.
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Reactionary fiscal stimulus was every bit as important as the automatic stabilizers.

Are you saying Obama was not responsible for that. Damn, I was giving him way more credit than he deserved!!!
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I am saying Obama inherited a $1.2 trillion deficit on day one. You claimed Obama raised spending from $2.5 trillion to $3.5 trillion. I was simply correcting you and providing the data.

The U.S. economy would have benefited from a $2+ trillion deficit by 2010, but the necessary stimulus was obstructed at every end. And now when unemployment is less than 4%, deficits are overlooked as though the fault of Democrats.
 
bradt99 said:
If Bush was such a "great" president, why aren't republicans now calling Bush to campaign for them? Oh right they can't stand him either. You all get mad when a president does actually reduce the budget deficit which Clinton and praise them when they raise it like Bush did. I am moderate, but I will call out BS on both sides when I see it and Bush is one of the worse presidents we've had. Lucky for us, we will never another have another Bush in office. He took the great economy of the 90s and p**sed on it.
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Because Bush is irrelevant, Obama is irrelevant, what is relevant are the results being generated now. The American people are benefiting from the Trump economy. You are paying way too much attention to what you have been told and not actual results. You also want to ignore that Democrats controlled the Congress from January 2007 to January 2011 and wanted the WH more than they wanted to serve the American people. Why don't you post official results to support your opinion of Bush??

Your opinion has been influenced by media spin, I know this is going to shock you but there isn't any economic numbers that Obama generated in 8 years that are better than Bush in his term other than employment which Bush had 9 million jobs created in 7 years before 2008. Obama generated 6 million in 8
 
The Republicans are in charge and when they are, they throw out fiscal responsibility like a disused condom. Here is the thing about our politics. When democrats campaign, they try to appeal to logic and reason. When Republicans campaign, they appeal to emotion. Some people just want to be lied to, its weird but true. As long as you tell them a good story, they will like you. If you confuse them with policy or details or what you really want to do, they go for the emotion every time. Rick Schmidt just wrote a book about this which is in essence a primer on how to get elected. First, never tell them what you are really going to do. Tell them what they want to hear. Then do whatever you want while telling them what they want to hear. The left tries to appeal to reason. It won't work in a nation filled with people too ignorant or uneducated or just too damn tired to check. So the lesson is lie through your teeth.
 
Conservative said:
No thanks to Obama, TARP recapitalized the banks and Obama spending didn't happen until AFTER June 2009. You people have been lied to by the media, the results don't support your claims and the media calls this the worst recovery from a major recession in history. The largest bull market in history since election day 2016 the market has increased 11k, the stock market under Democrat control was 14.2 in October 2007, that is the target Obama was responsible to return to and got it to 18.2. You really have a problem with research and actual data.
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I think you need a tin-foil hat to protect you from the dangerous "Obama radiation" from outer space.
 
Conservative said:
Because Bush is irrelevant, Obama is irrelevant, what is relevant are the results being generated now. The American people are benefiting from the Trump economy. You are paying way too much attention to what you have been told and not actual results. You also want to ignore that Democrats controlled the Congress from January 2007 to January 2011 and wanted the WH more than they wanted to serve the American people. Why don't you post official results to support your opinion of Bush??

Your opinion has been influenced by media spin, I know this is going to shock you but there isn't any economic numbers that Obama generated in 8 years that are better than Bush in his term other than employment which Bush had 9 million jobs created in 7 years before 2008. Obama generated 6 million in 8
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I'm sorry what's Bush's approval ratings? Not good.
 
Conservative said:
Do you really think this kind of rhetoric from you serves any real purpose other than showing exactly what kind of person you are? you related to Obama? Sure act like it.
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The right wingers in this thread pretending deficits never mattered shows what kind of people they are.
 
Deuce said:
The right wingers in this thread pretending deficits never mattered shows what kind of people they are.
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Deficits always matter but what really matters more is what the American people get for those deficits. Waiting for you to post what you think America got from Obama? Better have data to support your claims as I sure do
 
Conservative said:
Because Bush is irrelevant, Obama is irrelevant, what is relevant are the results being generated now. The American people are benefiting from the Trump economy. You are paying way too much attention to what you have been told and not actual results. You also want to ignore that Democrats controlled the Congress from January 2007 to January 2011 and wanted the WH more than they wanted to serve the American people. Why don't you post official results to support your opinion of Bush??

Your opinion has been influenced by media spin, I know this is going to shock you but there isn't any economic numbers that Obama generated in 8 years that are better than Bush in his term other than employment which Bush had 9 million jobs created in 7 years before 2008. Obama generated 6 million in 8
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A couple of years ago you accused me of having low standards for accepting Obama’s 2-3% annual GDP growth. Now, that same growth is wonderful.
 
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