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No survivors after Ukrainian Boeing passenger plane crashes in Iran

tres borrachos said:
Those poor innocent people, especially the children.

Someone in another thread yesterday said it was "karma". I wonder what the Canadians and Brits and Germans and the children did to deserve that "karma".

I hope it was fast and they didn't suffer.
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To the bolded: What kind of monster would say such a thing?
 
HumblePi said:
Iran Plane 737 Crash in Tehran: Was It Shot Down?
I believe it was accidentally shot down, but shot down nevertheless. If that's proven, where does that leave the US as far as response? Does anyone remember in 1988 Iran Flight 655, a commercial plane was shot down by the US over the Strait of Hormuz killing all 290 on board?
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One thing I don't understand - why wouldn't the Iranian military ground all commercial aircraft at their airport until their missile attack was over? Seems like a "no-brainer".
 
apdst said:
1. Possible false flag attack.

2. The anti-aircraft gunners might have shot down the wrong aircraft.

3. The AA gunners mistook it for something else: hostile aircraft, guided missile.
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Why in the world would they shoot down a plane climbing out from it's own airport? That makes no sense whatsoever.
 
lurchadams said:
Airliners have landed all engines down.
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not while climbing like this one and not while still at an altitude that wouldn't allow it to glide anywhere but the nearest field.
 
Roadvirus said:
Unless they wanted to make it look like we did it.

They could say we targeted the airport as part of our "hostile actions against the poor misunderstood regime" and as part of the attack, we hit the plane. Turn world opinion against us and make Iran look like the victim in one go.
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Maybe we did do it...we already were guilty once before
 
Chagos said:
not while climbing like this one and not while still at an altitude that wouldn't allow it to glide anywhere but the nearest field.
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Yep, that makes sense. In order to be able to pick up enough speed to maintain lift, an airliner would have to be quite a few thousand feet higher.
 
Atomic Kid said:
Why in the world would they shoot down a plane climbing out from it's own airport? That makes no sense whatsoever.
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It makes sense if a AA crew mistook it for a hostile aircraft.
 
ClaraD said:
Maybe we did do it...we already were guilty once before
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The airplane wasn't airborne long enough for it to have been by one of our birds
 
tres borrachos said:
Since it was not our country's commercial aircraft, and we didn't lose a single citizen on that flight, I'm curious what obligation they have to turn over the black boxes to the US.
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They don't. Typically it is the country they crashed in that has the right to investigate.
 
tres borrachos said:
Since it was not our country's commercial aircraft, and we didn't lose a single citizen on that flight, I'm curious what obligation they have to turn over the black boxes to the US.
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Boeing is a U.S. based company. If this was a mechanical failure, Boeing needs to know.
 
lurchadams said:
Yep, that makes sense. In order to be able to pick up enough speed to maintain lift, an airliner would have to be quite a few thousand feet higher.
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There's also the issue of the engines (jets) still being at high thrust in the after-takeoff period the plane was still in. If something went wrong in the jet itself during that condition, any explosion would have far more serious consequences to the whole plane than it would during "cruising revs" at high altitude.

The possibility of a "burn-out" causing partial or total integration of the engine itself is much higher in this phase than in any other. Not to mention what the impact of debris on other parts of the fuselage including hydraulics, fuel tanks and pipes (plus subsequent effects) could cause.

Engines are nowadays pretty much safe-guarded against things like bird-strike or other objects flying into the rotors, but there's always that one instant still where probabilities will gang up on you.

However, with eye-witness accounts being as unreliable as always, the crash site seems (from the little I could see in the media) to speak of an impact angle that was nearer to horizontal (albeit far from it) than vertical. The latter would leave a bigger crater while "near-horizontal" would far better explain the spread of the wreckage along what appears to me to have been a somewhat straighter and lengthy line.

All that said, without in-depth analysis of all data that can be secured, it all remains speculation.
 
apdst said:
Boeing is a U.S. based company. If this was a mechanical failure, Boeing needs to know.
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Needing to know doesn't equate to being entitled to be informed.
 
beefheart said:
They don't. Typically it is the country they crashed in that has the right to investigate.
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Yup. We don't have any skin in this game. It wasn't our country, not our airliner, and we didn't even lose a single citizen on that flight. We don't have any more right to demand that the Iranians hand it over than the Jamaicans do or Austrians do.
 
HumblePi said:
No survivors after Ukrainian Boeing passenger plane crashes in IranNo survivors after Ukrainian Boeing passenger plane crashes in Iran

A Ukrainian airplane carrying 176 people crashed after takeoff in Tehran on Wednesday, killing all on board the Boeing 737-800, according to Ukrainian officials.

The plane's operator, Ukraine International Airlines (UIA), said 167 passengers and nine crew members were aboard when the plane took off from Tehran International Airport en route to Ukraine's capital, Kyiv, at 6:10 a.m. local time (9:40 p.m. ET). It disappeared from the radars a few minutes after departure.

According to Ukrainian Foreign Minister Vadym Prystaiko, 82 people on board were Iranian, 63 Canadian, and 11 Ukrainian, including the nine crew members. Ten were from Sweden, four from Afghanistan, three from Germany and three from the United Kingdom.

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A flight manifest released by the airline showed there had been at least 25 children on board, including several under the age of 10.

A cellphone video taken from the ground in Iran showed the plane totally on fire in the sky.
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That MIGHT be consistent with a missile strike. Of course it could also be consistent with the plane catching fire due to a malfunction.

The missile MIGHT have been an Iranian missile. Of course it might not have been an Iranian missile.

What does this tell us?

Well, it proves absolutely and conclusively that the Iranians shot down the aircraft in an act of terrorism.

Right, Mr. Trump?
 
HumblePi said:
It's just a hunch from suspicious me, but that plane was a fireball, I've seen the video. That plane was only 3 years old and could fly even with 2 engines down. Coincidentally, this tragedy happened hours after the Revolutionary Guard fired off missiles into Iraq. Iran has stated that there will be no further retaliation for the assassination of Soleimani. The black box has been recovered but Iran isn't going to turn it over to the US.
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Exactly why would the Iranians turn the flight recorders over to the US government?

Is there some sort of international law that requires this to be done?
 
Roadvirus said:
Unless they wanted to make it look like we did it.

They could say we targeted the airport as part of our "hostile actions against the poor misunderstood regime" and as part of the attack, we hit the plane. Turn world opinion against us and make Iran look like the victim in one go.
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While not saying that it is true that the aircraft was shot down by an American made missile, if it transpired that it was, would your position be "Tough [feces]! They are America's enemies and deserve to have their aircraft shot down. Any unAmerican foreigners who are traitors to America deserved to die because they were unAmerican foreigners who were traitors to America."?
 
tres borrachos said:
Since it was not our country's commercial aircraft, and we didn't lose a single citizen on that flight, I'm curious what obligation they have to turn over the black boxes to the US.
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Because the aircraft was American made?
 
Roadvirus said:
Maybe because we're experts in aviation disasters. We have advanced equipment to analyze debris and the data recorders.
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You forgot to add "... and no other country in the world can do anything at all." - didn't you?
 
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