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[W:104:1192]Iran state TV: Tehran fires at Iraqi base housing US troops

Re: [W:104]Iran state TV: Tehran fires at Iraqi base housing US troops

Which is why they responded to American aggression. If America hadn't started this it wouldn't be happening.



Maybe they did shoot at American military? They designated the American armed forces a terrorist organization didn't they? Isn't that what you do to terrorists?



Trump and the Republicans own the responsibility for this. Diplomacy was working fine until Trump and the neocons messed it all up. Pompeo, Saudi money, Trump, much blame to go around but, none of it goes to the Iranians.





What did they think was going to happen with their maximum pressure strategy? The strategy was called maximum pressure, do you think human life is more or less in danger during maximum pressure strategies?


Oh look you are again giving Iran a fee pass for the deaths of hundreds of Americans that they caused.

So how exactly was diplomacy working just fine when they were killing US citizens.

Your hate for Trump is making you reach ridiculous conclusions.

I would love to see you tell some of the families of the close to 1000 service members killed by Iran that iran did nothing wrong.

We both know you wouldn't dare
 
Re: [W:104]Iran state TV: Tehran fires at Iraqi base housing US troops

Stable? :roll:

Like Obama making nuke deals with terrorist Mullah's who were doing all of the below even while his negotiations were going on?

Mining ships in the Strait's

Bombing oil facilities of a foreign country?

Shooting down drones?

Blowing up 500-600 American soldiers with IED's?

Funding, equipping, and training terrorist groups throughout the Middle east and the world?

Threatening Israel every day?

Is this the liberal version of stable these days?

Excuse me, all of those things you mentioned "below" happened AFTER Trump tore up the nuclear deal.
 
Re: [W:104]Iran state TV: Tehran fires at Iraqi base housing US troops

So, by your logic Obama, Bush, Cheney, Gina Haspel, General Petraeus, all also deserve to be blown up and killed for spilling blood in the middle east. the rules apply evenly across the board, America gets no exceptions. I am not acquiescing to your desperate attempts to propagandize.

So you think we were at war with Iran now apparently. Because that is the only way your little comparison makes sense.

So either you are clearly clueless about the world or you are grasping for straws.
 
Re: [W:104]Iran state TV: Tehran fires at Iraqi base housing US troops

Quite interesting that Obama hasn’t been president for 3 years and the area has been stable until Trump recklessly threw caution to the wind — less than a week ago.

Iran never bombed us when Obama was in office. Just saying!!!

What planet have you been vacationing on?
 
Re: [W:104]Iran state TV: Tehran fires at Iraqi base housing US troops

I do. We supplied them with weapons and financial support, and for 40 years they did absolutely nothing. They have their monstrous regime because Iranian citizens refuse to revolt against their government. So it is entirely their fault, no one else is to blame for their terrorist sponsoring government. We when start bombing the crap out of Tehran, I will have absolutely no sympathy for any Iranian. They are forcing us to do what they should have done 40 years ago, so they deserve whatever happens next.

What a confused, strange man you are.
 
Re: [W:104]Iran state TV: Tehran fires at Iraqi base housing US troops

I dunno. 22 missiles, all missed? That is hard to believe.

From personal experience during combat, lead flying from automatic and semi-automatic weapons, to and from combatants on both sides, grenades and mortar rounds shattering concussively and seeming everywhere, afterwards, some with a few scratches, one or two in need of medics, no fatalities from either side. Other that not being able to hear for as long as a day or two, the shock from the intensity of being alive, no explanations as to why.

Do you really believe Iranian missile proficiency can purposefully and precisely not cause harm? Was it what you want to believe, or luck of the draw? Or just plain ineptitude?
 
Re: [W:104]Iran state TV: Tehran fires at Iraqi base housing US troops

And all the dead Iranians unable to get their medicine due to (illegal) American economic sanctions imposed on them for not enriching Uranium?

Apparently we have multiple people on this forum who think the Iranian leadership are able to see the future.
Iran was killing US Soldiers before Obama was even president.

This are the kind of ridiculous arguments you get from people who don't care about facts or the real world.
Party before country. And it's disgusting
 
Re: [W:104]Iran state TV: Tehran fires at Iraqi base housing US troops

More details emerged this morning about the Iranian "attack." They WARNED the Iraqis beforehand so that alarms could sound and everybody (well, that, then, also included the American guests in these Iraqi bases) got to safety. The areas of the bases that were hit were NOT populated by Americans. Even if they could not guarantee what would happen given inaccuracies in their missiles, warning in advance took care of that risk.

This, coupled with them saying right after it was diffused that there were no American casualties - and no Iraqi casualties either - that they had CONCLUDED their retaliation and wanted no escalation or war, makes it crystal clear that this was a calculated miss.

Of a large array of available targets including our embassies and consulates in the region and our 67,000 servicemen in the Middle East, all within range from their missiles (including embassies in Bagdad, Kuwait, Qatar, and UAE, all a short distance from Iranian territory), they chose to attack two IRAQI bases in areas not populated by Americans, and to make it even safer so that there wouldn't be a possibility of accidentally killing anyone, warned the Iraqis of the attack so that alarms could sound.

They clearly blinked and backed down. This "attack" was exclusively to appease their own citizenry, but done in a way that wouldn't risk a devastating retaliation by the US. They added in their statement, basically, that they will only do more IF (they even did use the word IF) the US does more.

I'll say, Trump has CLEARLY won this round. He then issued a restrained tweet, for a change, which is great. He said "all is well", said "so far so good", and simply praised the US military.

If Trump leaves it at that, or even if he repeats in a statement what the Iranians said, that is, tell them that IF they do more (meaning, inflict casualties on US military, contractors, civilians, or diplomats at home or abroad) we will retaliate, then all is well. Trump emerges victorious because his decapitation strike aimed at Iran's second in command has clearly intimidated them, and so far he has avoided plunging us into an unpopular war.

What can possibly be more intimidating to a regime that over the years has clearly cared for its own survival, than a decapitating strike aimed at their second-in-command? At this point Khamenei must be thinking, "oops, I underestimated the Americans' willingness to engage. If I overplay my hand, I may be next."

If Trump goes into mocking and taunting rants (which I'm sure he is tempted to do, but hopefully someone with some influence over him - I'm looking at you, Ivanka - keeps him calm), he will manage to negate the Iranians' face-saving weak response, practically forcing them to do more and restart the escalation. I hope that Trump, for a change, doesn't do that.

Don't mock what they did, Trump. Just say that the US will take extremely seriously and will retaliate IF they inflict casualties on any of our citizens, and leave it at that. The Iranians have already shown that they were intimidated (I mean, they even warned us indirectly of the attack, for God's sake! By warning the Iraqis so that alarms could sound, of course our own people would take cover too), so, keep the same rhetoric without adding to it, and Trump will have won the most serious crisis in his 3-year administration, and will earn an electoral bump from it.

In his address to the nation today, Trump should keep it simple. He should say that he is glad that our valuable soldiers weren't hit, and that he cares for the their safety and that of our diplomats, contractors, and their families in the region. Say that he will continue to monitor the situation and will retaliate IF the Iranians kill Americans. Praise our military some more, and rapidly conclude by saying God bless America, period, full stop. Let the whole thing die out, and some three months from now, signal that if the Iranians are willing to go back to the negotiation table and basically redo the nuclear agreement with more guarantees that they won't sponsor terrorism and will also stop missile development, he'd be willing to lift sanctions.

If Trump achieves this, it will be a major victory for him, and even though I profoundly dislike him, I'll tip my hat to him. Come on, Trump, keep your narcissism under wrap this time, for a change, and act presidential. You won; now make sure you don't spoil it.
 
Re: [W:104]Iran state TV: Tehran fires at Iraqi base housing US troops

There is skill and expertise required to operate such missile systems. In another thread there was a discussion about whether or not two college-aged sons should worry about a draft. The answer is a very strong "No" with one of the reasons being the intelligence to operate high tech equipment. Yes, even for "grunts" AKA Infantry. The Ukrainian Separatists who shot down the airliner had a Russian tech adviser with them. Why? Because a missile system is a lot more complex than turning it on and hitting the "fire" button.

You are free to defend Iran as a country of great rocketeers and deny they've supported terrorism since 1979. I disagree.

I'm still waiting for actual report of the missile strike but your estimate is going to disappoint several of your fellow LWers who are claiming Iran missed intentionally. To me that strikes me as the same BS Trump used in the election where he said something like "If I lose, the election is rigged, if I win it's honest". Here LWers are claiming "If they hit the base, it's because they were highly technical and expert rocketeers, but if they miss it's because it was on purpose".

From the news at the time we actually saw them hitting a base with several missiles. I do not think they missed or meant to miss. Unlike the USA, Iran has never invaded another country.
 
Re: [W:104]Iran state TV: Tehran fires at Iraqi base housing US troops

Trump and Pompeo made statements of not wanting war just a few days ago, saying almost exactly what the Iranians are saying now.

It's a warning of what they are willing to do if the US follows through on our threats of regime change. They are saying that they will not go down like Iraq did, and that they have missiles to go out in a blaze of glory.
It's just as likely Iran knew that if they did anything of actual value then the US strike back much harder

But I can don't doubt your anti American bias makes you think your theory is the only possibility.
 
Re: [W:104]Iran state TV: Tehran fires at Iraqi base housing US troops

Right. We take out the worlds leading terrorist and the price we paid for doing so was depleting Iran missile arsenal by 15. Thats whats known as a win-win. You libs hate Trump so much you cant see straight.

This was a shoot from the hip first response. The fat lady has not been singing.

Prior to the assassination, US intelligence reported Iranian proxy assets were being prepared to attack. Those assets are still in place, ready, willing and able. Now with additional reason to act. Nothing has changed.
 
Re: [W:104]Iran state TV: Tehran fires at Iraqi base housing US troops

America is to blame for this war. They lied us into Iraq and they will lie us into Iran.

And people wonder why so many on the left get called anti American.
 
Re: [W:104]Iran state TV: Tehran fires at Iraqi base housing US troops

There isnt really much reason to respond to this impotent Iranian retaliation. We've already won.

There are no winners of wars, only different levels of tragedy.
 
Re: [W:104]Iran state TV: Tehran fires at Iraqi base housing US troops

Your failure to understand my position does not mean I haven't evaluated yours, and found it deficient.

Then explain exactly how my argument is deficient. Please be specific.

This should be interesting.

And no Trump bad is not a good answer.
 
Re: [W:104]Iran state TV: Tehran fires at Iraqi base housing US troops

From the news at the time we actually saw them hitting a base with several missiles. I do not think they missed or meant to miss. Unlike the USA, Iran has never invaded another country.

Again, they even issued a warning to the Iraqis so that alarms would sound, knowing very well that upon the sound of the alarms, both Iraqis AND Americans would, of course, take cover. They did NOT want to inflict casualties on Americans (there were many other options open to them that would certainly achieve that, if that's what they wanted to do), so, this was a very measured and calculated response; it is VERY significant that AFTER it was diffused that no casualties resulted from the attack, they officially, through their Foreign Minister, stated that they had CONCLUDED (his words) the retaliation, and said they desired no further escalation.

This is to say, "OK, let's put an end to this; we'll have pretended that we have retaliated, and if nobody does anything else, that's it; please don't attack us again and we won't attack you." More face-saving than this, impossible. Of all possible methods of retaliation available to them, they picked the mildest one. Imagine what would have happened if they had fired the missiles at one of our numerous embassies in the area!
 
Re: [W:104]Iran state TV: Tehran fires at Iraqi base housing US troops

A) They would have no way to know that.
B) It's for internal consumption, while they wanted to project that they could carry out an attack while not killing anyone.

I think its more of a bluster and chest thumping; very common in the region.

I do not believe it is simply for internal broadcast, rather Iran needs to project its prowess in the region and show its neighbors that it has effective reach and can strike back.....regardless of thier ability to actually do so.
 
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I’ll stop you there. The North Koreans and Saudis have killed US contractors and the US did nothing. It was a massive overreaction from the US.

You might actually have a point of that was all the general had done. But as it isn't your point is complete garbage.
 
Re: [W:104]Iran state TV: Tehran fires at Iraqi base housing US troops

This was a shoot from the hip first response. The fat lady has not been singing.

Prior to the assassination, US intelligence reported Iranian proxy assets were being prepared to attack. Those assets are still in place, ready, willing and able. Now with additional reason to act. Nothing has changed.

Yes, a lot has changed. See, those assets did nothing. What the Iranians did, is that they lobbed some missiles at two IRAQI bases, hitting areas not populated by Americans, and even warning the Iraqis before hand so that everybody, including Americans, would take cover, which is why nobody got even injured in this "attack." Then they issued a statement calling their retaliation, "concluded."

What has changed, is that they got intimidated by the decapitation attack on their second-in-command and took seriously Trump's warning that if they inflicted casualties on us, our response would be disproportionate. Which means, next, a decapitation attack might aim at their first-in-command. This is a regime that wants to survive.

Miscalculations can still happen, especially if spontaneous (like individuals take upon themselves to commit some sort of suicidal attack on Americans) but Iran as a state, clearly "retaliated" in the mildest manner they could have picked.

I think that chances are that their aggression towards American assets in the region will DECREASE after this, not increase. At least, as far as they can control.
 
Re: [W:104]Iran state TV: Tehran fires at Iraqi base housing US troops

non-sequitur
Perhaps you could learn to follow the discussion. I was speaking of the Iranians.

The Iranians aren't relevant. What's relevant is that our government has systemically lied to us about the ME and our adventures there for nearly 20 years.

We need to drop everything and leave, a true libertarian would agree with me.

This interventionist nonsense and endless occupation (Treaties be goddamned) has cost the tax payer over $6 trillion dollars.

Our kids do not need to die in that goddamned wasteland.

Trump lied about wanting to get us out.
 
Re: [W:104]Iran state TV: Tehran fires at Iraqi base housing US troops

Another march to war manufactured by Republicans. Instead of a president too stupid to realize that, like last time, we have a president that's so stupid he's doing product development. We pretty much have only hope that we won't go to war.
 
Re: [W:104]Iran state TV: Tehran fires at Iraqi base housing US troops

Iran claims 80 Americans killed in the missile attack;

Iranian state TV says 80 "American terrorists" killed in Iran missile strikes


I think Baghdad Bob may have a new job with Iranian media.

Well, this makes it even clearer that their "attack" was done for internal consumption. They know very well that they didn't kill anyone, not a single American, not a single Iraqi, and then they lie to their internal public to pretend that they did.

In their official statement to us, through their Foreign Minister, they called their retaliation "concluded." They know they didn't kill anyone. So, yep, this was to save face and appease their own citizens, nothing more.
 
Re: [W:104]Iran state TV: Tehran fires at Iraqi base housing US troops

Yet another protest that accomplished absolutely nothing, despite the hyperbole and lack of credibility by the New York Times. Hardly a revolt. When there are dead Iranian government officials, then you can make the claim there was a revolt, but not until then. The Iranian government killing protesters is entirely one-sided, and does not qualify as a revolt.

There are dead Iranian government officials. Not in Tehran. And there are regions not in central government hands any longer. Granted some of those regions are in the hands of criminals, drug and gun smugglers, ethnic partisans, yet a weakening of authority. Iranian government forces are rarely entering the mountain regions anymore. When doing so, returning with the dead and wounded.

All empires crumble from within. Often with ascendency of the criminal element.
 
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You might actually have a point of that was all the general had done. But as it isn't your point is complete garbage.

Let's see some proof of all this general has done.

I want proof of his bloody hands. I want evidence of impending attacks.

I am goddamned sick and ****ing tired of all these ****ing presidents spending my ****ing money bombing these god forsaken wastelands in the middle east and you -should be as well.- I am sick and tired of the lies; Obama's droning, Bush's illegal invasions, Trump's continued droning; the endless occupation, assassinations, the grand standing when troops WE PUT IN HARMS WAY ARE THEN HARMED and used as justification for further military action.

I am ****ing sick - sick to death, of all this.

We have a crisis at the border. Our Troops should be -there-.
 
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