Iran 'places $80million bounty for Donald Trump’s head’ as World War 3 tensions rise

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Rising Sun said:

Go for it. You are free to give Congress a pass.

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Where did I say they get a pass..the simple fact is that the Congress to blame is now out of office...that is part of why they are no longer in the majority.

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ClaraD said:

you mean the economic results of now being 22 trillion dollars in debt? Those results? Ah, didn't want to remind yourself of that right? The economic results that we have are thanks to Obama....we were already moving far upwards in the economy when Trump won the election.

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Would there be reasons for that.
Perhaps hundreds of billions of dollars in interest on the debt Obama ran up.
Perhaps the 11 million more people on SNAP due to changes in the food stamp policy under Obama.
Perhaps the 14 million more people on Medicaid due to expanding Medicaid eligibility under Obama.

It will take a while to straighten out the mess left by Obama.

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ClaraD said:

you mean the economic results of now being 22 trillion dollars in debt? Those results? Ah, didn't want to remind yourself of that right? The economic results that we have are thanks to Obama....we were already moving far upwards in the economy when Trump won the election.

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I don't recall Trump being in office since debt started accumulating. Of course I thank Obama every day for giving us Trump, the results generated today benefit all Americans. why don't you explain how Obama leaving us with 490 billion GDP growth and Trump doubling it is due to Obama? Then tell us how Obama left us with 8% African American unemployment benefited Trump how has it at 5.9% or the part time for economic reasons with Obama 5.7 million and Trump 4.3

Seems that actual data confuses you, not surprising with that liberal indoctrination

DP and Dollar change
2013 16974.9
2014 17527.7 552,8
2015 18224.8 697.1
2016 18715.0 490.2
2017 19519.4 804.4
2018 20580.2 1006.1


Then there is this which Trump inherited and the comparison today. Anyone that claims the GDP growth now is similar to what Obama had is the true hack and totally has no credibility

2016 GDP growth 490 billion 1.6% annual vs 2.9% 2018 with those terrible tax cuts and 804 billion annual growth
Unemployment Rate 4.7% January 2017 vs. 3.5% today

Employed 152.2 million January 2017 to 158.8 million today so 6 million job growth from 2008 to 2017 is celebrated but 6.6 million growth I the last two years isn't!! LOL

U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 6.7% today? Wow!! 2.6% better U-6 obviously meaningless to you

Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.3 million today? Looks to me that incredible job growth you claim was boosted by part time jobs

African American unemployment 8.0% vs. 5.9% today? That explains the surge in support from African Americans for Trump

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BahamaBob said:

Would there be reasons for that.
Perhaps hundreds of billions of dollars in interest on the debt Obama ran up.
Perhaps the 11 million more people on SNAP due to changes in the food stamp policy under Obama.
Perhaps the 14 million more people on Medicaid due to expanding Medicaid eligibility under Obama.

It will take a while to straighten out the mess left by Obama.

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Obama hasn't been in office for how long? Stop blaming Obama for food stamps....if it is Trump that has a 22 trillion dollar debt...that 22 trillion isn't from Food stamps and Medicaid....it is from the tax cut.

U.S. National Debt Hits Record $22 Trillion : NPR

The U.S. government's public debt is now more than $22 trillion — the highest it has ever been. The Treasury Department data comes as tax revenue has fallen and federal spending continues to rise. The new debt level reflects a rise of more than $2 trillion from the day President Trump took office in 2017.

In under 3 years he has added an additional 2 trillion dollars of debt.

He said he would wipe out debt in the first year....has he done that? No, he has spent on golf and new clothes for Melania that cost tens of thousands of dollars and private flights in AF1 for his family that we are paying for to jet off to Saudi Arabia for his personal business deals.

I am willing to bet he has rented out those troops to the Sauds and has put that money in his personal bank account...the treasury sure didn't know anything about it, nor did Congress...

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ClaraD said:

Obama hasn't been in office for how long? Stop blaming Obama for food stamps....if it is Trump that has a 22 trillion dollar debt...that 22 trillion isn't from Food stamps and Medicaid....it is from the tax cut.

U.S. National Debt Hits Record $22 Trillion : NPR

The U.S. government's public debt is now more than $22 trillion — the highest it has ever been. The Treasury Department data comes as tax revenue has fallen and federal spending continues to rise. The new debt level reflects a rise of more than $2 trillion from the day President Trump took office in 2017.

In under 3 years he has added an additional 2 trillion dollars of debt.

He said he would wipe out debt in the first year....has he done that? No, he has spent on golf and new clothes for Melania that cost tens of thousands of dollars and private flights in AF1 for his family that we are paying for to jet off to Saudi Arabia for his personal business deals.

I am willing to bet he has rented out those troops to the Sauds and has put that money in his personal bank account...the treasury sure didn't know anything about it, nor did Congress...

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Are you ever going to explain how 1.47 trillion in discretionary spending funded by over 2 trillion dollars in tax revenue from taxes created to fund those items causes deficits?

It is interesting how you condone what you don't do in your own personal life, over spending It is also interesting how you refuse to answer what the American people got for the debt you now blame on Trump as it does appear that debt to GDP hasn't risen since Trump took office as it did during the Obama term.

Just admit that you simply hate Trump and the following actual results don't matter? Do you need someone to help explain these results to you?

Federal Dollars going to the states
DP and Dollar change
2013 16974.9
2014 17527.7 552,8
2015 18224.8 697.1
2016 18715.0 490.2
2017 19519.4 804.4
2018 20580.2 1006.1


Then there is this which Trump inherited and the comparison today. Anyone that claims the GDP growth now is similar to what Obama had is the true hack and totally has no credibility

2016 GDP growth 490 billion 1.6% annual vs 2.9% 2018 with those terrible tax cuts and 804 billion annual growth
Unemployment Rate 4.7% January 2017 vs. 3.5% today

Employed 152.2 million January 2017 to 158.8 million today so 6 million job growth from 2008 to 2017 is celebrated but 6.6 million growth I the last two years isn't!! LOL

U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 6.7% today? Wow!! 2.6% better U-6 obviously meaningless to you

Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.3 million today? Looks to me that incredible job growth you claim was boosted by part time jobs

African American unemployment 8.0% vs. 5.9% today? That explains the surge in support from African Americans for Trump

Conservative said:

Pretty simple, 2017-2019 is the three year period give me any other President with the kind of numbers Trump has generated?

DP and Dollar change
2013 16974.9
2014 17527.7 552,8
2015 18224.8 697.1
2016 18715.0 490.2
2017 19519.4 804.4
2018 20580.2 1006.1


Then there is this which Trump inherited and the comparison today. Anyone that claims the GDP growth now is similar to what Obama had is the true hack and totally has no credibility

2016 GDP growth 1.6% annual vs 2.9% 2018 with those terrible tax cuts, 3.2% January thru March 2019

Unemployment Rate 4.7% January 2017 vs. 3.5% today

Employed 152.2 million January 2017 to 158.8 million today so 6 million job growth from 2008 to 2017 is celebrated but 6.6 million growth I the last two years isn't!! LOL

U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 6.7% today? Wow!! 2.6% better U-6 obviously meaningless to you

Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.3 million today? Looks to me that incredible job growth you claim was boosted by part time jobs

African American unemployment 8.0% vs. 5.9% today? That explains the surge in support from African Americans for Trump

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Cherry pick much? Using a single quarter GDP? Okay, President Obama had a 5.1% growth quarter and a 2.7% annual (coming out of a global economic shock and lowering the deficit). Please find some things that don't continue the trend that djt walked into. The economy is a continuum, not a series of quarters.

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Felis Leo said:

Sorry, Vern. I was quoted multiple times in another thread and I must have overlooked your comment.

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er uh Felis, I think you overlooked my reply again.

Vern said:

congratulations. You have something you can point to something and sorta make a case that “Ha! he’s not a puppet”. Lets ignore for a moment that you don’t make as good as a case as you think you did. you asked for something concrete. I don’t think trump’s subservience to putin needed to be “concrete” . You were simply trying to filter out the numerous examples of trump’s subservience to Putin. But I not only showed words were important to team trump I gave you a concrete example. Its no shock to me you avoid discussing exactly what you asked for. He betrayed the kurds in Syria. And the only person who benefited from trump’s shocking betrayal is Putin. So I met your requirement. trump is putin’s puppet by your own standards.

Now as I stated, your “oh yea watabout this thing over here” narrative isnt as good as you think. First let me congratulate you on the way you effortlessly post this is as one of the most important economic things in Russia ever. Helps with your “Ha! he’s not a puppet” narrative. But Trump’s actions are causing a rift between the US and our allies and did not impede the pipeline. Yea, one of russia’s most important economic things is going into service in 2121. If words are not important to you then neither is a futile gesture of shaking your fist at the pipeline.

U.S. Concedes Defeat on Nord Stream 2 Project, Officials Say
The U.S. has little leverage to prevent the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline project between Russia and Germany from being completed, two administration officials said, acknowledging the failure of a years-long effort to head off what officials believe is a threat to European security.

U.S. Concedes Defeat on Nord Stream 2 Project, Officials Say - Bloomberg

so don’t you fret none about trump's handlers. They gave us a “oh yea watabout this thing over here” narrative for people like you to use, caused a rift between us and our allies and didn’t stop the pipeline. And you got the superbonus to ignore the concrete example you asked for. I’m sure trump’s handlers got a raise for this.

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ClaraD said:

Obama hasn't been in office for how long? Stop blaming Obama for food stamps....if it is Trump that has a 22 trillion dollar debt...that 22 trillion isn't from Food stamps and Medicaid....it is from the tax cut.

U.S. National Debt Hits Record $22 Trillion : NPR

The U.S. government's public debt is now more than $22 trillion — the highest it has ever been. The Treasury Department data comes as tax revenue has fallen and federal spending continues to rise. ..

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And then there is the real world where Federal tax revenue has risen every year.

US Federal Tax Revenue by Year

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dixon01767 said:

And then there is the real world where Federal tax revenue has risen every year.

US Federal Tax Revenue by Year

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That's some pretty interesting data and you are correct that Federal tax revenue has risen every year.


Since the general rule is that the President is not actually responsible for the economic health of the country in their first year of office (they inherited their precursor's budget) that means that the average increase in Federal tax revenue under Mr. Obama was around 5.97%. It also means that the average increase in Federal tax revenue under Mr. Trump was around 1.8% (and that's giving him full and uncritical credit for the "estimated" revenue).

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TU Curmudgeon said:

Since the general rule is that the President is not actually responsible for the economic health of the country in their first year of office (they inherited their precursor's budget)

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And yet Obama is heralded for ending the recession that was over 5 months into his term.

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dixon01767 said:

And yet Obama is heralded for ending the recession that was over 5 months into his term.

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If you take a look at the 2009 data, it most certainly does not look like that is actually the case.

In any event, what does that have to do with

other than, "Not one damn thing.", I mean?

I am more than willing to agree that Mr. Obama got MORE credit than was actually due him.

I am NOT willing to agree that Mr. Obama deserved NONE of the credit that was actually due him.

I am NOT willing to agree that ALL of the improvement in the US economy since the end of Mr. Bush's (GW, that is) administration is due SOLELY to the SINGLE-HANDED efforts of Mr. Trump.

The position of yourself and almost 100% of the members of "Claque Trump" is that

1. "Under the brilliant and divinely inspired guidance of PRESIDENT DONALD JOHN TRUMP, the tax revenue of THE UNITED! STATES OF AMERICA! HAS BOOMED by an average of 1.8% per year (which is less than the rate of inflation)."; and
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2. "Under Obama's inept bumbling, the US tax revenue only crept up slightly by an insignificant 5.97% per year."

which I have a slight bit of difficulty (see Line 33 of ee cummings' "i sing of Olaf glad and big") in accepting as a 100% accurate statement of reality.

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TU Curmudgeon said:

If you take a look at the 2009 data, it most certainly does not look like that is actually the case.

In any event, what does that have to do with

Since the general rule is that the President is not actually responsible for the economic health of the country in their first year of office.​

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dixon01767 said:

an example of a direct contradiction to your assertion.

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The full quotation from my post should have been

and since you have quite ignored the

part which has not been struck out above, I really don't quite see how your response is a "direct contradiction" of anything.

On the other hand, if someone does subscribe to the

school of "logic" I can see how they might think that that was the case.