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Pelosi says Trump carried out strike on Iranian commander without authorization and she wants detail

That does seem to be their history, right from the Civil War to WWI, WWII, and Vietnam. Obama's pulling out of Iraq in December, 2011 when there was relative peace, was inexcusable and left the area in the turmoil we see today.

Obama deliberately created ISIS. He turned the entire region into chaos. His private unauthorized war against Libya - including for the purpose of killing that country's leader and family - because Gadaffi was talking about going on the gold standard for oil and with him intolerant of any radicals and terrorists threatening his country - along with a big assist by Hilary Clinton - got our ambassador killed and completely destabilized Libya.

Obama also was a traitor who committed treason when he ordered that 30 minutes warning had to be given prior to military missions for the purpose of protecting the enemy and giving them a half hour to try to figure how to kill our personnel and equipment.
 
As someone who has been through the Strait of Hormuz, this jacks up the fear level of any Sailor going through to 11 on a scale of 10. And that is the only way into the Persian Gulf. It is not a trivial attack at all with "only" consequences I hear/see some Trump supporters talking about. Going through there was scary in 2000/2003. It would be terrifying to go through now as we are a huge target and they could certainly use the attack on their general to justify an attack on us, claiming we are invading their sovereign waterways (they've been trying to claim greater than 12 nautical miles for decades) and we escalated.

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And this is why you now support the Iranian government's vow to assassinate our president and attack the United States, correct? In your view, the safest thing to do is to allow Iran to kill any Americans they want to anywhere with totally immunity because you figure you are so irrelevant they won't kill you?

Cowardice is never a successful defense, though a lot of Democrats think it is, just like they think the safest way to protect yourself against assault, rape and murder is to be totally disarmed and unable to defend yourself by outlawing firearms so only criminals have them.
 
And this is why you now support the Iranian government's vow to assassinate our president and attack the United States, correct? In your view, the safest thing to do is to allow Iran to kill any Americans they want to anywhere with totally immunity because you figure you are so irrelevant they won't kill you?

Cowardice is never a successful defense, though a lot of Democrats think it is, just like they think the safest way to protect yourself against assault, rape and murder is to be totally disarmed and unable to defend yourself by outlawing firearms so only criminals have them.
Irrational ranting much?

Nowhere in my post did I mention supporting Iran or even feeling sorry for their generals death. But I recognize that consequences come from actions, and irrational, ill advised actions generally result in dire consequences, particularly to those in the middle of the conflicts.

I certainly don't see any of Trumps children serving on those ships going through the Strait, or any other Armed Service.

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Don't be ridiculous. President Obama ordered more bombings and attacks without Congressional approval - more countries than any president since WW2.

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Countries bombed by the U.S. under Obama administration - CNNPolitics

For Libya, it was outright war specifically to overthrow the government, kill the leader and kill the leader's family. There was no Congressional authorization to go to war against Libya nor the other bombings, other than the general vast war powers of the president.

The Democratic party and so many of their minions so incessantly and hypocritically lie it is a very real and dangerous psychosis that essentially is suicidal in nature.

I'm not going to defend every bombing by the Obama administration as being wise or moral, but they are broadly justifiable under the 2001 and 2002 AUMF's. None of these actions are remotely comparable to Trumps. And before you go around calling people hypocritical, psychotic, and suicidal I suggest you form a cogent justification of Trump's actions under the 2001 and 2002 AUMFs.

Here is a a comprehensive list of all of the bombings by the Obama administration complete with the broad AUMF justification. The justification might not be good, but it exists.
  • Afghanistan: The war in Afghanistan was expressly authorized by the 2001 AUMF. It is not over. (sadly)
  • Pakistan: Strikes in Pakistan targeted non-state AlQada millitants largely from Afghanistan and in general with permission from the Pakistani's (not that every case was approved ahead of time) Thus Covered by the 2001 AUMF
  • Libya: Coalition led effort which the US aided to enforce UN resolution. Conservatives condemned Obama for "leading from behind". Thus the attacks were not directed by the US and relied instead on UN authority.
  • Somalia: Drones targeted al Shabaab, a terrorist group that has pledged allegience to Al Qaeda and consequently covered by the 2001 AUMF
  • Iraq: Obama attacked ISIS militants with the broad support of the Iraqi government. Fighting ISIS is the weakest argument, but the fight against ISIS has been broadly defended under a combination of the the 2001 AUMF and 2002 AUMF's as both IDF and al Qaeda's scion.
  • Syria: ISIS militants in Syria were fought under the broad authority argued for in Iraq. Attacks against the Syrian government were deemed to require congressional authorization, which congress denied.


Iran is a sovereign nation, not a non-state actor. Soleimani is a very high ranking government official. He's the equivalent of Mike Pence or Mitch McConnell. Iraq is a sovereign nation, and an ally. Baghdad is a capital city of a sovereign state and an ally. Killing Soleimani is the equivalent of Iran assassinating Mike Pence in Charles De Gaul in Paris or King Khalid in Riyahd Saudi Arabia. It is so ridiculously provocative, illegal, stupid, dangerous, poorly thought out, asinine, etc.. that it is difficult to pick just a few reasons why it was a bad idea. When an intellectual genius [/sarcasm] like Rand Paul looks at this and thinks that a child would understand that this is not going to end up well, you start to run out of excuses.

I am sick and tired of people who have no concept of what military sacrifice actually entails throwing around the possibility of war like it's no big deal. Every single person who supports and defends this is culpable. You think peace is the natural way of things? You think war won't affect you because so far you've been able to send other peoples kids off to die? You think it's fine because the collateral damage is in a place you don't care about? Terrorists have limited resources and they're pretty damned effective. What do you think an actual nation is capable of?
 
Irrational ranting much?

Nowhere in my post did I mention supporting Iran or even feeling sorry for their generals death. But I recognize that consequences come from actions, and irrational, ill advised actions generally result in dire consequences, particularly to those in the middle of the conflicts.

I certainly don't see any of Trumps children serving on those ships going through the Strait, or any other Armed Service.

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That's confirmed when the Pentagon has to issue its own statement essentially negating the president's targets.
 
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Iran is a sovereign nation, not a non-state actor. Soleimani is a very high ranking government official. He's the equivalent of Mike Pence or Mitch McConnell. Iraq is a sovereign nation, and an ally. Baghdad is a capital city of a sovereign state and an ally. Killing Soleimani is the equivalent of Iran assassinating Mike Pence in Charles De Gaul in Paris or King Khalid in Riyahd Saudi Arabia. It is so ridiculously provocative, illegal, stupid, dangerous, poorly thought out, asinine, etc.. that it is difficult to pick just a few reasons why it was a bad idea. When an intellectual genius [/sarcasm] like Rand Paul looks at this and thinks that a child would understand that this is not going to end up well, you start to run out of excuses.

I am sick and tired of people who have no concept of what military sacrifice actually entails throwing around the possibility of war like it's no big deal. Every single person who supports and defends this is culpable. You think peace is the natural way of things? You think war won't affect you because so far you've been able to send other peoples kids off to die? You think it's fine because the collateral damage is in a place you don't care about? Terrorists have limited resources and they're pretty damned effective. What do you think an actual nation is capable of?

Your desire to muddy the waters with blatant mischaracterizations and false analogies regarding Soleimani isn't going to help persuade people of your anti-war points. Rather, it only persuades others that your "humane" agenda is not what you'd like us to believe.

So let's be real, Soleimani was a high ranking political official within the borders of Iran, but he was also a General inside and outside of Iraq directing his Quds Force, a separate unit of the IRGC engaging in “unconventional warfare” and ” extraterritorial operations.” As a military commander he was engaged in warfare outside the borders of his own country, directly causing the deaths of many people, including Iraqis and American military troops. Moreover, the General of the Quds Force commanded a terrorist organization, as fully recognized by the United States, Canada, Egypt and many other nations.

So no, Soleimani was not like Mike Pence or Mitch McConnel, two elected civilian Congressional politicians in the United States. And it is rather dumb to even try to make that analogy as it self-evident to all.

Bottom line, when you are a general and enter other counties to conduct war, directly or by proxy against the US and its allies, and you are commanding leadership in the battle zone you can get killed by those who you've been killing.

That ain't sad, it's the delivery of a long overdue reality.
 
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Your desire to muddy the waters with blatant mischaracterizations and false analogies regarding Soleimani isn't going to help persuade people of your anti-war points. Rather, it only persuades others that your "humane" agenda is not what you'd like us to believe.

So let's be real, Soleimani was a high ranking political official within the borders of Iran, but he was also a General in (and outside of Iraq directing his Quds Force, a separate unit of the IRGC engaging in “unconventional warfare” and ” extraterritorial operations.” As a military commander he was engaged in warfare outside the borders of his own country, directly causing the deaths of many people, including Iraqis and American military troops. Moreover, the General of the Quds Force commanded a terrorist organization, as fully recognized by the United States, Canada, Egypt and many other nations.

So no, Soleimani was not like Mike Pence or Mitch McConnel, two elected civilian Congressional politicians in the United States. And it is rather dumb to even try to make that analogy as it self-evident to all.

Bottom line, when you are a general and enter other counties to conduct war, directly or by proxy against the US and its allies, and you are commanding leadership in the battle zone you can get killed by those who you've been killing all along.

That ain't sad, it's the delivery of an overdue reality.

The issue isn’t really whether or not Soleimani deserved to die but how such a thing should be carried out. If you want to assassinate such a high profile person then you do it quietly and make it look like an accident. You don’t bomb them in broad daylight at a civilian airport and then jump on Twitter to take credit for it. Americans are going to die not because Soleimani is dead but because Donald Trump just had to feed his ego with a public assassination and a Tweet.
 
The issue isn’t really whether or not Soleimani deserved to die but how such a thing should be carried out. If you want to assassinate such a high profile person then you do it quietly and make it look like an accident. You don’t bomb them in broad daylight at a civilian airport and then jump on Twitter to take credit for it. Americans are going to die not because Soleimani is dead but because Donald Trump just had to feed his ego with a public assassination and a Tweet.

Your opinion noted, where was your opinion when ACTUAL Americans have died due to Soleimani? Where is your outrage over Iran being a state sponsor of terrorism? Where is your outrage over an Iranian General inside another nation directing attacks on Americans and the American Embassy?? Right, no such outrage, just more anti American and anti Trump rhetoric
 
The issue isn’t really whether or not Soleimani deserved to die but how such a thing should be carried out. If you want to assassinate such a high profile person then you do it quietly and make it look like an accident. You don’t bomb them in broad daylight at a civilian airport and then jump on Twitter to take credit for it. Americans are going to die not because Soleimani is dead but because Donald Trump just had to feed his ego with a public assassination and a Tweet.

First, its not an assassination in the sense usually defined.

Second, I'm all for covert operations to kill scum in transnational locations - but you take what you can get. Not only would there be greater accusations of violating the laws against such covert actions but the US has never be adept at this kind of work. We don't have the competence or skill of the Mossad.
 
Your opinion noted, where was your opinion when ACTUAL Americans have died due to Soleimani? Where is your outrage over Iran being a state sponsor of terrorism? Where is your outrage over an Iranian General inside another nation directing attacks on Americans and the American Embassy?? Right, no such outrage, just more anti American and anti Trump rhetoric

Your whataboutism is noted. What Iran has done is not an excuse for putting American lives at risk for no reason other than to satisfy the President’s ego.
 
First, its not an assassination in the sense usually defined.

Second, I'm all for covert operations to kill scum in transnational locations - but you take what you can get. Not only would there be greater accusations of violating the laws against such covert actions but the US has never be adept at this kind of work. We don't have the competence or skill of the Mossad.

The Mossad may be better at that sort of thing than the CIA, but we can always do better than a President who only thinks tactically, orders military operations without any regard for the consequences, and can’t keep his mouth shut about them.
 
The Mossad may be better at that sort of thing than the CIA, but we can always do better than a President who only thinks tactically, orders military operations without any regard for the consequences, and can’t keep his mouth shut about them.

I'm not talking about a President and I don't care who was in charge. I can fault Trump for many things, including his failure to respond to earlier provocations which may have lead Iran into a false sense of security and self-destructive hubris. But the opportunity was perfect, and given the scumbag General's reputation for "brilliance" in terrorism and subversive warfare it looks to be well worth the political price.
 
Your whataboutism is noted. What Iran has done is not an excuse for putting American lives at risk for no reason other than to satisfy the President’s ego.

American lives were taken not at risk and that seems to be what you are ignoring. It is quite telling that you say defending Americans and reacting to the destruction and attack on our Embassy which is an attack on this country is an act to fuel Trump's ego. Do you realize what hatred and liberal indoctrination has done to you? Your total lack of understanding that an Embassy regardless of the country is actual sovereign soil of that country and that was a deliberate attack on the U.S. Sorry but that just doesn't meet your desire to blame Trump
 
American lives were taken not at risk and that seems to be what you are ignoring. It is quite telling that you say defending Americans and reacting to the destruction and attack on our Embassy which is an attack on this country is an act to fuel Trump's ego. Do you realize what hatred and liberal indoctrination has done to you? Your total lack of understanding that an Embassy regardless of the country is actual sovereign soil of that country and that was a deliberate attack on the U.S. Sorry but that just doesn't meet your desire to blame Trump

Reread what I posted.
 
Reread what I posted.

I have read your statement and they make no sense, what are the consequences of killing a terrorist who masterminded the attack on the U.S. Embassy in Iraq and is responsible for killing hundreds of Americans? Isn't that the job of the President?
 
Your desire to muddy the waters with blatant mischaracterizations and false analogies regarding Soleimani isn't going to help persuade people of your anti-war points. Rather, it only persuades others that your "humane" agenda is not what you'd like us to believe.

So let's be real, Soleimani was a high ranking political official within the borders of Iran, but he was also a General inside and outside of Iraq directing his Quds Force, a separate unit of the IRGC engaging in “unconventional warfare” and ” extraterritorial operations.” As a military commander he was engaged in warfare outside the borders of his own country, directly causing the deaths of many people, including Iraqis and American military troops. Moreover, the General of the Quds Force commanded a terrorist organization, as fully recognized by the United States, Canada, Egypt and many other nations.

So no, Soleimani was not like Mike Pence or Mitch McConnel, two elected civilian Congressional politicians in the United States. And it is rather dumb to even try to make that analogy as it self-evident to all.

Bottom line, when you are a general and enter other counties to conduct war, directly or by proxy against the US and its allies, and you are commanding leadership in the battle zone you can get killed by those who you've been killing.

That ain't sad, it's the delivery of a long overdue reality.
Thank you for removing the entire point of my post and then calling it a mischaracterization with false analogies. How very honest of you. And please feel free to beat on the war drums while you don't have to bear any of the consequences for your decisions. Conservative, Liberal, Democrat, Republican, other.. I don't know anyone with any ties to people who will be or have been in harms way who are treating this like an episode of GIJoe. The chickenhawks talk of blowing this up, killing that person, destroying this and don't understand what that actually means in terms of human cost. A casualty isn't just a number. It's a family dealing with a loved one that they'll never see again, knowing that their last memory was of excruciating pain. Or it's agony in a hospital bed, months trying to relearn basic skills, dealing with the sickness from massive doses of opiates and then the sickness of withdrawal, the depression they'll spend a lifetime fighting. Or its the daily fear of checking casualty lists.. hoping every day that its someone else's unit, someone else's loved one.


So to repeat the point of my post which you so bravely deleted: the bombings done under the Obama administration were at least loosely justified under the AUMFs of 2001 and 2002. When Obama sought congressional authorization to go after Assad in Syria, congress refused to vote on the matter and conservatives went around berating Obama. There is no legal justification for Trumps assassination. Soleimani was a terrible dude. So was Jeffrey Dahmer. It would not have been okay for the president to extra-judiciously assassinate Dahmner even if it would have saved lives because the rule of law is what separates us from savagery. Like it or not, Soleimani was not a non-state terrorist. Soleimani was a representative of the Iranian government operating on behalf of a sovereign state. That means quite a lot.

And you may not think that Soleimaini was a legitimate figure, but sadly your opinion means less than nothing. I don't think you're in any danger of retaliating against US Forces. The opinions that matter are the Iranian people. Have you seen the protests? The anger? The Iranian people's anger takes away any flexibility the Iranian government may have had. The Iranians **HAVE** to retaliate. They are going to have to attack US military targets, either in the US or in some other allied country. Americans are going to die. And what happens then? The pathetic chicken-hawks who are all too eager to send other peoples kids off to die may not have bothered to consider it yet, but everyone else already knows what's likely.
 
Thank you for removing the entire point of my post and then calling it a mischaracterization with false analogies. How very honest of you. And please feel free to beat on the war drums while you don't have to bear any of the consequences for your decisions. Conservative, Liberal, Democrat, Republican, other.. I don't know anyone with any ties to people who will be or have been in harms way who are treating this like an episode of GIJoe. The chickenhawks talk of blowing this up, killing that person, destroying this and don't understand what that actually means in terms of human cost. A casualty isn't just a number. It's a family dealing with a loved one that they'll never see again, knowing that their last memory was of excruciating pain. Or it's agony in a hospital bed, months trying to relearn basic skills, dealing with the sickness from massive doses of opiates and then the sickness of withdrawal, the depression they'll spend a lifetime fighting. Or its the daily fear of checking casualty lists.. hoping every day that its someone else's unit, someone else's loved one.


So to repeat the point of my post which you so bravely deleted: the bombings done under the Obama administration were at least loosely justified under the AUMFs of 2001 and 2002. When Obama sought congressional authorization to go after Assad in Syria, congress refused to vote on the matter and conservatives went around berating Obama. There is no legal justification for Trumps assassination. Soleimani was a terrible dude. So was Jeffrey Dahmer. It would not have been okay for the president to extra-judiciously assassinate Dahmner even if it would have saved lives because the rule of law is what separates us from savagery. Like it or not, Soleimani was not a non-state terrorist. Soleimani was a representative of the Iranian government operating on behalf of a sovereign state. That means quite a lot.

And you may not think that Soleimaini was a legitimate figure, but sadly your opinion means less than nothing. I don't think you're in any danger of retaliating against US Forces. The opinions that matter are the Iranian people. Have you seen the protests? The anger? The Iranian people's anger takes away any flexibility the Iranian government may have had. The Iranians **HAVE** to retaliate. They are going to have to attack US military targets, either in the US or in some other allied country. Americans are going to die. And what happens then? The pathetic chicken-hawks who are all too eager to send other peoples kids off to die may not have bothered to consider it yet, but everyone else already knows what's likely.

Would you please explain why you have loyalty to Iran and Soleimaini and totally ignore that Iran is a state sponsor Terror and Soleimaini was put on the terrorist list by Obama. He was in Iraq for what purpose? Do you not understand that an American Embassy or any country's embassy on foreign soil is recognized as actual territory of the country that Embassy belongs to? We were attacked, Americans were killed, the President has a responsibility to protect Americans, Because Obama didn't do it in Benghazi and an Ambassador was killed doesn't mean it wasn't authorized under the Constitution where the President is responsible for providing for the common defense

Can you explain to us what consequences this country has experienced or faced because of this action by Trump? beating the drums of war? when did we do that? Seems you are promoting a false narrative all due to Trump and not due to facts, logic or even common sense
 
No but Pompeo and Pence has.

Pompeo and Pence appear to be in full support of Trump no matter what he does, and are sometimes flummoxed by his actions. They are the kind of people Trump wants—loyal to a fault.
 
Would you please explain why you have loyalty to Iran and Soleimaini and totally ignore that Iran is a state sponsor Terror and Soleimaini was put on the terrorist list by Obama. He was in Iraq for what purpose? Do you not understand that an American Embassy or any country's embassy on foreign soil is recognized as actual territory of the country that Embassy belongs to? We were attacked, Americans were killed, the President has a responsibility to protect Americans, Because Obama didn't do it in Benghazi and an Ambassador was killed doesn't mean it wasn't authorized under the Constitution where the President is responsible for providing for the common defense

Can you explain to us what consequences this country has experienced or faced because of this action by Trump? beating the drums of war? when did we do that? Seems you are promoting a false narrative all due to Trump and not due to facts, logic or even common sense

Are you going to sign up to go fight? You willing to sacrifice any of those social security and medicare checks we write you to help out? You going to talk to anyone in your family to go join the military and fight in Iran? Americans have been busy fighting and dying in Iraq and Afghanistan for almost 20 years now. Have you done anything at all for them? Ever send a care package? Ever make a donation? Do you have even the slightest clue what a deployment means?

The men and women in uniform ask nothing from you.. which is good because they're unlikely to get it. But you and everyone else owes them at least a grade school understanding of the completely obvious implications for what this asinine and illegal assassination does. You're sitting here lauding Trump for chopping one of the heads of a hydra while it was sleeping; completely blind to the two that just grew back;.... wide awake and pissed off... that someone else now has to deal with.

I have no tolerance, respect, or time for selfish entitled people who are oh so willing to send other peoples kids off to go kill other peoples kids. War is sometimes necessary, but if you're not willing to make the sacrifices yourself, don't ask them of someone else.
 
Are you going to sign up to go fight? You willing to sacrifice any of those social security and medicare checks we write you to help out? You going to talk to anyone in your family to go join the military and fight in Iran? Americans have been busy fighting and dying in Iraq and Afghanistan for almost 20 years now. Have you done anything at all for them? Ever send a care package? Ever make a donation? Do you have even the slightest clue what a deployment means?

The men and women in uniform ask nothing from you.. which is good because they're unlikely to get it. But you and everyone else owes them at least a grade school understanding of the completely obvious implications for what this asinine and illegal assassination does. You're sitting here lauding Trump for chopping one of the heads of a hydra while it was sleeping; completely blind to the two that just grew back;.... wide awake and pissed off... that someone else now has to deal with.

I have no tolerance, respect, or time for selfish entitled people who are oh so willing to send other peoples kids off to go kill other peoples kids. War is sometimes necessary, but if you're not willing to make the sacrifices yourself, don't ask them of someone else.

Fight who? When was war declared? Iran has been attacking Americans for years or don't you get the actual news? We do have an all volunteer military but I did serve in the early 70's before getting a medical discharge. I was in the Vietnam era.

So you are handing out SS and Medicare payments to me?? Thanks, now you recognize the real problem why are you doing that? I contributed for 35 years as did my employer, where did the money go?

You really have no understanding of our enemies and believe we will be left alone if only we left countries like Iran alone. how many Americans have to die before you realize what a Caliphate is and that countries like Iran want you dead?

Please don't tell me what men and women in uniform are asking from me and my family, I served, my dad was at Pearl Harbor, my wife's dad was at Normandy all giving you the right to make an ass out of yourself

What you are doing is projecting like most liberals do, totally lacking in understanding what the role of the President is. what do you think Trump should have done when we are attacked in Iraq at our Embassy? You don't seem to realize what really bothers our enemy, STRENGTH AND ACTION. Clinton didn't act on the PDB in December 1998 and we were attacked in 2001. You don't negotiate with terrorists, you destroy them and you ought to be thankful we have an all volunteer military that steps up to defend you.

Trump did his job, we aren't at war with Iran or anyone else and Iran if they have a death wish will not be doing any retaliating as Trump won't be like Obama he will destroy Iran.
 
Thank you for removing the entire point of my post and then calling it a mischaracterization with false analogies. How very honest of you.
Wrong. I removed the points that I was not objecting to. I left the points (and the closing rant) that I did object to. That was very honest of me, unlike your contrived offense.

And please feel free to beat on the war drums while you don't have to bear any of the consequences for your decisions. Conservative, Liberal, Democrat, Republican, other.. I don't know anyone with any ties to people who will be or have been in harms way who are treating this like an episode of GIJoe. The chickenhawks talk of blowing this up, killing that person, destroying this and don't understand what that actually means in terms of human cost. A casualty isn't just a number. It's a family dealing with a loved one that they'll never see again, knowing that their last memory was of excruciating pain. Or it's agony in a hospital bed, months trying to relearn basic skills, dealing with the sickness from massive doses of opiates and then the sickness of withdrawal, the depression they'll spend a lifetime fighting. Or its the daily fear of checking casualty lists.. hoping every day that its someone else's unit, someone else's loved one.

I'm not interested in your table pounding anguish, I am interested in calling you out on your disingenuous characterizations of the dead General and his role in Iraq. It was so delusional as to call into question your motives and does nothing to help your tantrums.

So to repeat the point of my post which you so bravely deleted: the bombings done under the Obama administration were at least loosely justified under the AUMFs of 2001 and 2002. When Obama sought congressional authorization to go after Assad in Syria, congress refused to vote on the matter and conservatives went around berating Obama. There is no legal justification for Trumps assassination.

Your "point" was deleted because I was not interested in your point - I didn't (and don't) care about AUMFs, congressional authorization, or what Obama did or didn't do. As far as I am concerned, in the realm of foreign affairs and battlefield command, you don't need to have anyone's approval to engage an enemy who has attacked you. You can take all the pretty little agreements between ersatz states and hapless Congress and shove it up their ass when lives are threatened. There is only one moral act allowed - defend your people on the battlefield.

What we don't need is another Hillary Clinton defense of Benghazi apathy because "what does it matter".

Like it or not, Soleimani was not a non-state terrorist. Soleimani was a representative of the Iranian government operating on behalf of a sovereign state. That means quite a lot.
That means nothing. Most military commanders belong to nation-states, and he wasn't acting as an invited ambassador with diplomatic immunity. He was not acting as a politician, he was acting as commander of the Quds and meeting with his proxy's in a foreign country to plan military operations to kill Americans.

Have you seen the protests? The anger? The Iranian people's anger takes away any flexibility the Iranian government may have had. The Iranians **HAVE** to retaliate. They are going to have to attack US military targets, either in the US or in some other allied country. Americans are going to die. And what happens then? The pathetic chicken-hawks who are all too eager to send other peoples kids off to die may not have bothered to consider it yet, but everyone else already knows what's likely.

So you are afraid that the enemy might attack, as if they haven't already? Over 600 American deaths are directly attributed to Soleimani, and more to Iran in general. They attacked before, they will attack again regardless of whether or not we allowed Soleimani to complete his plans. Seriously, wouldn't you rather be a chicken-hawk (a bird of prey) than a chicken-chicken?
 
Would you please explain why you have loyalty to Iran and Soleimaini and totally ignore that Iran is a state sponsor Terror and Soleimaini was put on the terrorist list by Obama. He was in Iraq for what purpose? Do you not understand that an American Embassy or any country's embassy on foreign soil is recognized as actual territory of the country that Embassy belongs to? We were attacked, Americans were killed, the President has a responsibility to protect Americans, Because Obama didn't do it in Benghazi and an Ambassador was killed doesn't mean it wasn't authorized under the Constitution where the President is responsible for providing for the common defense

Can you explain to us what consequences this country has experienced or faced because of this action by Trump? beating the drums of war? when did we do that? Seems you are promoting a false narrative all due to Trump and not due to facts, logic or even common sense

Soleimani was not put a terrorist list by Obama. The US and UN placed Soleimani on a sanctions list in 2007. It was Trump who put IRGC on the list of terrorist organizations even though it is an arm of the Iranian state and thus not a non-state actor. Why do you believe everything Dear Leader tells you? How many 'attacks' on diplomatic compounds that you know of, and there have been very many, have ever resulted in being followed up by an act of war?
 
Well that's a new way to ignore history. But sure whatever. Have fun getting into another undeclared war in the middle east just to own the libs. I'm sure you guys will be the first to volunteer.
Whis is really ignoring history. The next time a liberal politician talks about Trump taking out a foreign terrorist, a general, remind them how the Obama Administration took out the leader of Libya, the actual leader, and then laughed about it. And what happened to Libya after Hillary and Barack took action? Are you aware of that? How about Benghazi?

But here's a major liberal fave boasting and laughing about their thoughtful foreign policy. Flashback 2011: Hillary Clinton Laughs About Killing Moammar Gaddafi: "We Came, We Saw, He Died!" | Video | RealClearPolitics
 
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Soleimani was not put a terrorist list by Obama. The US and UN placed Soleimani on a sanctions list in 2007. It was Trump who put IRGC on the list of terrorist organizations even though it is an arm of the Iranian state and thus not a non-state actor. Why do you believe everything Dear Leader tells you? How many 'attacks' on diplomatic compounds that you know of, and there have been very many, have ever resulted in being followed up by an act of war?
They all knew of Soleimani's involvement with terrorism, the shaping of Iranian foreign policy and the murder of Americans, but were reluctant to act because of the unknown potentials. Trump is satisfied that the risk is worth it and will respond to any action Iran may now take.

Given the killings in the Middle East prior to Trump's arrival, including genocide, it seems he made a good move.
 
No one is defending Iran.


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They might as well. This political hate has gone too far. The way Pelosi and the democrats are acting Trump has no authority as President of this country. That is what is wrong with this country right now. Too much micromanaging by the left. If they want to uphold the constitution then bring Obama up on charges for executing an American citizen. That is about as blatant as it gets when it comes to absolute disregard for our constitution and rights. He might as well have burned our flag with the Iranians.
 
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