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Pelosi says Trump carried out strike on Iranian commander without authorization and she wants detail

Risky Thicket said:
As opposed to obtaining Congressional approval? Why does not obtaining Congressional approval make you happy?
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he doesn't need it that is why.
The president has the authority to use the military in limited short term ways such as
hitting bin laden or taking out this guy.

all that congress gets is a report. he no more has to run these things past pelosi than he does the man in the moon.
 
Talk about fake indignation. Gee Trump didn't get permission from congress, the world will end. News flash, Obama carried out nearly 600 drone strikes without permission from congress and not a single Democrat gave a rats behind. Thousands of Iraqis are cheering in the streets with the news of this strike. The same thing should be happening here.

This man was the major author of activities resulting in the deaths of many Americans and countless others. He was in open cahoots with Putin in planing his mayhem. I have to question why is it every time Trump slaps down a Putin tool, the Democrats go ape?

The only thing Iran understands is force. They were emboldened when they took the hostages while the limp wrist Carter was president. They continued their actions against American interests until Reagan gave them a sample of American power. Then, like now they ran their mouth but crawled back under their rock until the great apoligizer Obama emboldened them again. It is time to show them that actions have consequence and put them back under their rock.
 
For a guy who hates and criticizes the US Intelligence agencies as often as Trump and his cult does I hope Trump doesn't use them as an excuse for this strike. He don't trust them, he thinks they are incompetent, etc. If this blows up in his face I hope he's not going to say he went on their intelligence and recommendations.

Someone don't use the advice of someone they don't trust. That's beyond stupid. Oh wait!!!
 
BahamaBob said:
Talk about fake indignation. Gee Trump didn't get permission from congress, the world will end. News flash, Obama carried out nearly 600 drone strikes without permission from congress and not a single Democrat gave a rats behind. Thousands of Iraqis are cheering in the streets with the news of this strike. The same thing should be happening here.

This man was the major author of activities resulting in the deaths of many Americans and countless others. He was in open cahoots with Putin in planing his mayhem. I have to question why is it every time Trump slaps down a Putin tool, the Democrats go ape?

The only thing Iran understands is force. They were emboldened when they took the hostages while the limp wrist Carter was president. They continued their actions against American interests until Reagan gave them a sample of American power. Then, like now they ran their mouth but crawled back under their rock until the great apoligizer Obama emboldened them again. It is time to show them that actions have consequence and put them back under their rock.
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Russia, North Korea and Saudi Arabia have all recently killed Americans.

When Trump takes action against them come back and tell us how 'tough' Trump is.. Until then, he's a self-serving coward.
 
NeverTrump said:
I'm sure they'll be willing to share that intel and all decision-related materials leading up to the strike with appropriate House committees. /s



Also, How long until we until find out Trump was fed intel by Putin on this directly during his Christmas phone call? Putin is in the middle of selling weapons to Iran and meddling in the affairs of Ukraine...

Pelosi says Trump carried out strike on Iranian commander without authorization and she wants details
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Trump doesn't need Nancy's permission.

Pound sand.
 
ludin said:
he doesn't need it that is why.
The president has the authority to use the military in limited short term ways such as
hitting bin laden or taking out this guy.

all that congress gets is a report. he no more has to run these things past pelosi than he does the man in the moon.
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Bin laden attacked the US. The 2001 AUMF authorized the president to take all necessary actions against anyone who purported or aided the attacks on 9/11.

Under what authority did the President attack Iran?
 
Cardinal said:
All you’re demonstrating is that you don’t know what “hypocrisy” means. It’s not possible to discuss anything with you because you don’t know what words mean.
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Can you show me where you were critical of Obama's much greater military actions in Libya and Syria without seeking congressional approval?

Were you even critical of Obama's involvement in Syria and Libya?
 
CharisRose said:
:lol:

Pulled from a black hole wandering around outer space?

Roseann;)
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jmotivator said:
Can you show me where you were critical of Obama's much greater military actions in Libya and Syria without seeking congressional approval?

Were you even critical of Obama's involvement in Syria and Libya?
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yeah that isn't going to happen.
 
jmotivator said:
Can you show me where you were critical of Obama's much greater military actions in Libya and Syria without seeking congressional approval?

Were you even critical of Obama's involvement in Syria and Libya?
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Are you forgetting that the year is 2020 and no amount of whatabouting can cleanse the stains on individual one on anything he touches?

trumpublicans would still prefer to be Russian than Democratic and are running an administration of coverup and dictatorship.
 
Mithros said:
Bin laden attacked the US. The 2001 AUMF authorized the president to take all necessary actions against anyone who purported or aided the attacks on 9/11.

Under what authority did the President attack Iran?
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The president has authority to use preemptive strikes.
Not sure what about this you don't understand or just don't to understand.

In recent years, the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel has claimed that the Constitution authorizes the president, as commander in chief, to order the military to attack other countries without congressional permission if the president determines that this would be anticipatory self-defense or otherwise serve the interests of the United States — at least where the nature, scope and duration of the anticipated hostilities are “limited,” like airstrikes against Libyan government forces in 2011 and Syrian government forces in 2017 and 2018.
 
Linc said:
Are you forgetting that the year is 2020 and no amount of whatabouting can cleanse the stains on individual one on anything he touches?

trumpublicans would still prefer to be Russian than Democratic and are running an administration of coverup and dictatorship.
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where do you people come up with this nonsense from? i mean seriously?
 
Cardinal said:
Trump isn’t Obama.
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And that's it then.

You compare two presidents who did exactly the same thing, (took out a menace to American interests) and disapprove because orange man bad, black man good.

Good to see you admit to your undying partisanship. :)
 
Linc said:
Are you forgetting that the year is 2020 and no amount of whatabouting can cleanse the stains on individual one on anything he touches?

trumpublicans would still prefer to be Russian than Democratic and are running an administration of coverup and dictatorship.
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Thats not only false, its dumb. In the future, just write "I hate Trump" and save time and space.
 
trixare4kids said:
And that's it then.

You compare two presidents who did exactly the same thing, (took out a menace to American interests) and disapprove because orange man bad, black man good.

Good to see you admit to your undying partisanship. :)
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You just uncovered the liberal thought process on everything.
 
Fletch said:
Putin has nothing to do with it.
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Obviously, you aren't privy to what the leftist elites know; "All roads lead to Putin".
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Russia, North Korea and Saudi Arabia have all recently killed Americans.

When Trump takes action against them come back and tell us how 'tough' Trump is.. Until then, he's a self-serving coward.
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While you were asleep, Trump imposed enormous sanctions on NK. The death of a criminal in prison hardly rates a military reaction.

A duel citizenship clown conducting espionage against Saudi Arabia is also not an attack on American interests.

Unlike the limp wrist Obama, Trump will not allow Iran to kill Americans and attack American interests with impunity. Get used to it. Their is a new sheriff in town and he will be there for five more years.
 
Fletch said:
You just uncovered the liberal thought process on everything.
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Without divulging too much private information, I've been studying their psyche for decades but you must remember, these people are not "liberals". Enough said for now. Don't want to derail a good thread.
 
Felis Leo said:
Back when you were a Republican, were you hopping mad when Barack Obama ordered the strike against Osama bin Laden on Pakistani soil without Congressional approval immediately beforehand?
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While these things share some similarities, the two incidents are not identical.

OBL was not a member of a government of a state.
Killing OBL was exceptionally unlikely to start a war.

Directly attacking a member of a foreign government like that is essentially a declaration of war.

This leads to some constitutional questions for some Americans.
Obviously not you, but other Americans could be concerned about the many ways the WPA have been used to circumvent Congress's Constitutional authority to declare war.
The War Powers Acts, which are particularly troublesome at almost all times, are even more troubling at times like these when most Americans lack faith in the judgment of the Executive.

Even though you're personally unconcerned about the usurpation of Constitutional powers by one branch from another, you at least see how the issue could be one that Americans would want to pay attention to and be concerned about.
 
I'm sure half of Congress is badly regretting the decades of relinquishing power to the White House ...
 
ludin said:
The president has authority to use preemptive strikes.
Not sure what about this you don't understand or just don't to understand.

In recent years, the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel has claimed that the Constitution authorizes the president, as commander in chief, to order the military to attack other countries without congressional permission if the president determines that this would be anticipatory self-defense or otherwise serve the interests of the United States — at least where the nature, scope and duration of the anticipated hostilities are “limited,” like airstrikes against Libyan government forces in 2011 and Syrian government forces in 2017 and 2018.
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The Justice Department OLC reports to the President. That boils down to the president says that the president is allowed to do something because the president says so. And even then, it's not an honest reading of the OLC's opinion.

And as for your examples, the 2011 attacks against Libya were carried out by a NATO led force to enforce United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973. As for Syria, Obama went to congress to get authority to use military force in Syria and was denied. Trump did not. But even then, attacks in Syria had more of a justification because it was argued that the Islamic State—as the group was also known—had a “longstanding relationship with al-Qaida” and because its leaders regarded ISIS as “the true inheritor of Osama bin Laden’s legacy.”

So again, where in the constitution does the president have the authority to attack a sovereign nation on another sovereign nation's soil.
 
trixare4kids said:
And that's it then.
You compare two presidents who did exactly the same thing, (took out a menace to American interests) and disapprove because orange man bad, black man good.
Good to see you admit to your undying partisanship. :)
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The two incidents are not "exactly the same thing".

Your argument is an example of equivocation fallacy.

Read on if you would know more: equivocation fallacy - Google Search
 
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