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[W:142]West Virginia governor approves firing of all employees involved in apparent Nazi salute pic

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Because I'm not an idiot.

Who determined that, and when?
 
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It is interesting that so many of those involved in these "Nazi salute" and "White power" type incidents are in law enforcement.

Yes, it is. I wonder if anyone has studied the relationship between people who want to possess control over other people under the guise of criminal justice/correction and their proclivities toward white supremacy and Nazism.
 
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Actually, he might have a point.
Can an employer fire their employee for their views or for a picture taken outside of work?
These guards could start a major lawsuit against the state.


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Yes of course they can if those publicly expressed views reflect badly on that employer. Pose with a swastika in your Facebook profile picture, or drop the n-word a few times in your Twitter feed and see how long you keep your job.
 
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West Virginia governor approves firing of all employees involved in apparent Nazi salute photo | Fox News

"After the photo was made public, two training instructors and one cadet were fired, while 34 other employees, including the trainees in the photo, were suspended without pay. Now, at the*recommendation*of Sandy, Justice has approved all trainees who participated in the Nazi-like salute be fired."

These are Americans. More than that, they're law enforcement officers. The Nazi salute alone disqualifies them from holding their jobs, but the sheer stupidity of doing what they did in an official photograph makes them undeserving of almost any job.

Thats a bit over the top. These people arent Nazis and it was clearly some sort of ill-conceived joke. It would be interesting to hear their side of it, but firing them all is a bit heavy handed and Nazi-like.
 
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It kills me that at this day and age someone would participate in a picture like this.
You can believe in anything you want, but you should have enough brains to realize that 1 picture can literally ruin your life and your career.


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Yup. They posed for that picture. They consciously decided as they were becoming law enforcement agents employed by the state that they should honor one of the most evil ideologies that humanity has ever conceived. When I find a picture of their faces, I'm going to plaster it onto every social media network of which I am a member.
 
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Racist hate mongering and a clear, deliberate threat of violence and race riots.

Clear and deliberate, huh? You should have asked for a dictionary for Christmas. By the way, you're wrong, but you already knew that.
 
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I think you should spend a little more time understanding what Black Power is and what it isn't. It fundamentally is a statement of self-respect, pride and self-determination; core American values. It is not one you should be threatened by, but one you should respect.

Black Power - Wikipedia
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What Is Black Power?

The picture of the black female cadets at West Point (above) is a picture of pride of accomplishment. Look at them.... try for once to feel what they may be feeling. To really think about their accomplishment, black females competing and being successful in a rigorous program, defined by white men over 200 years. It is an accomplishment to take pride in ... for anyone, especially a black female. If you are threatened by that, you need to search your soul on that one as that is an irrational response.

In stark, stark contrast, the Nazi and KKK movements have been about hatred of another class of people, with a rude history of oppression and violence.

To my knowledge, there is not much of a record of people in the Black Power movement suggesting (or acting upon) burning crosses in the yards of white people or lynching. There is huge, huge difference that you need to better understand if you wish to speak intelligently on this subject. Kudos to the Republican governor of West Virginia for showing some degree of decency. The rest of your party should take notice, as fewer and fewer decent people are remaining Republicans. We need more decent people in all political parties.

Don't ever think these things (black power and the racism inherent in nazism and the KKK) are even remotely equivalent. They are not.

False equivalencies is a common tactic employed by racists. Only a total bigot would think there is some kind of equivalency between black power and Nazism.
 
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Who determined that, and when?

Everyone and always.
 
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Thats a bit over the top. These people arent Nazis and it was clearly some sort of ill-conceived joke. It would be interesting to hear their side of it, but firing them all is a bit heavy handed and Nazi-like.

You would do better to tag your fellow Nazi sympathizers rather than me.
 
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I don't know what I find more horrifying:

That some people were fired over a childish joke...

Or that some people actually think it was okay that they were fired.

Childish joke = Childish joke

Ruining the lives of people because of a childish joke = Truly Nazi-like

Cancel Culture will soon come to scorch the earth of its creators...

:hm

If you want to have a discussion about ruining lives, let's talk about what that salute represents. You're defending those people over the victims of Nazism and I find that beneath the dignity of a sentient being.
 
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In what universe are those two even remotely similar

They aren't. That poster was saying that we shouldn't judge Nazis in training because sometimes some black people protest racial injustice.
 
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The best parts about these threads is seeing who runs out to defend the Nazis.

Can I just say that based on my limited experience at this forum, the posters in this thread who are defending the people who offered the Nazi salute in a class photo for a state department of corrections are the same people who A.) support Trump, B.) claim some form of conservative ideals, and C.) go out of their aimless ways to spit up on anything that they think will cause bother among the people they consider to be liberal.
 
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Compared to the violence committed by white power groups, it is minimal. Quite frankly, black power groups are irrelevant and have been for quite some time, whereas white supremacists continue launching numerous attacks.

You're excusing racist violence. Why are we not surprisedm
 
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Is anyone surprised joko has progressed to openly supporting nazis?

Nope. Same with Michael Johnson.
 
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how do you know that someone did not take the photo while they were in process of raising their hands?

a lot of them don't exactly mimic how straight armed a nazi salute is.

Who classified this as a Nazi Salute? Some of the guys are using their right hands while others are using their left.

It looks like somebody asked a question and, like most classes, they are raising their hands to answer it.

How did this get turned into a Nazi thing?

Well the "HAIL BYRD!" sign behind them should offer a clue to their intentions.
 
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Yes, this is just a minor indiscretion for many Trump supporters, and shouldn't disqualify one from their job

A major indiscretion is having black skin.

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Perhaps unsurprisingly, respondents who voted for Donald Trump in the 2016 election were especially convinced of Obama's African origins: Fully 57 percent said it was "definitely true" or "probably true" that the 44th president came from Kenya.

According to them, that should disqualify someone

57 percent?? Holy cow. Some of these people are driving cars on our roads, teaching our children, and influencing political life in the US. That's terrifying.
 
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Who classified this as a Nazi Salute? Some of the guys are using their right hands while others are using their left.

It looks like somebody asked a question and, like most classes, they are raising their hands to answer it.

How did this get turned into a Nazi thing?

No. Don't do that here. If you're cool with the Nazi salute, admit it or better, keep it to yourself. But don't piss on my leg and tell me it's rain.
 
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I kind of see it that way, and on the other hand, theaes were to be prison guards. Might be better for them if they are fired. This gets out in prison....oh boy.

I hadn't thought of that. It's a great point. Let the prisoners see this picture if ever one of these Junior Nazis is allowed to work again and the guards/officers will be be dead before they can get into solitary confinement.
 
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Actually, he might have a point.
Can an employer fire their employee for their views or for a picture taken outside of work?
These guards could start a major lawsuit against the state.

The picture was taken at work. And, yes, acting like a dumbass Nazi at work, especially when your job is exercising control including with violence against people in prison, many of them black, would almost certainly be a fireable offense.

And in general, Republicans are big fans of "right to work" rules, which mean an employer can fire you for any reason, or no reason at all. The government as an employer cannot generally do that, but it can fire people for actions that threaten the organization in some way, and having a bunch of dumbass Nazis on staff is one of those things. Who can trust them to do their jobs without racial bias if they are dumbass Nazis? Or Klukkers? Etc.
 
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And that has what to do with this?

Ask me!!! I KNOW!!!

Nothing....
 
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Thats a bit over the top. These people arent Nazis and it was clearly some sort of ill-conceived joke. It would be interesting to hear their side of it, but firing them all is a bit heavy handed and Nazi-like.

Heavy handed, perhaps, but the Nazis wouldn't have fired people out of line, but shot them in the head, or gassed them, or beat them to death, or just to a bloody pulp, or maybe burned their homes and businesses and moved them into slums or concentration camps. So, not Nazi-like. :roll:

And at least for those at the top of that little group, they should be fired for being idiots too stupid to be trusted with supervisory control over anyone. Seriously, having an official photo of a bunch of wannabe prison guards doing the Nazi salute is incredibly stupid, at really every level. How many times do people have to get in trouble for doing stupid crap like this for the person with an IQ over room temperature to learn?
 
Re: West Virginia governor approves firing of all employees involved in apparent Nazi salute photo

Thats a bit over the top. These people arent Nazis and it was clearly some sort of ill-conceived joke. It would be interesting to hear their side of it, but firing them all is a bit heavy handed and Nazi-like.
Right. We should not judge others too quickly. Does anyone really believe that all these people are sincere Nazi's?? We can see Hillary Clinton giving a Nazi salute but despite my dislike for the woman I'd never think that, despite the photo on this page.. Is Hillary Clinton a fascist? | Socialist Action
 
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Right. We should not judge others too quickly. Does anyone really believe that all these people are sincere Nazi's?? We can see Hillary Clinton giving a Nazi salute but despite my dislike for the woman I'd never think that, despite the photo on this page.. Is Hillary Clinton a fascist? | Socialist Action

That's a freeze frame of a gesture that that woman always makes when she speaks to a large crowd. The picture under discussion is posed and includes 30 people, not in motion like Clinton was, and is not equivalent.
 
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You're excusing racist violence. Why are we not surprisedm

Coming from the guy who routinely defends the Confederacy, your posturing is rather meaningless.
 
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The picture was taken at work. And, yes, acting like a dumbass Nazi at work, especially when your job is exercising control including with violence against people in prison, many of them black, would almost certainly be a fireable offense.

And in general, Republicans are big fans of "right to work" rules, which mean an employer can fire you for any reason, or no reason at all. The government as an employer cannot generally do that, but it can fire people for actions that threaten the organization in some way, and having a bunch of dumbass Nazis on staff is one of those things. Who can trust them to do their jobs without racial bias if they are dumbass Nazis? Or Klukkers? Etc.

Is there any proof that this picture was taken at work during work hours?


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