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Navy SEALs paint disturbing picture of Gallagher in new video

Lutherf said:
A terrorist can't be a POW. A terrorist is a terrorist...period
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You are quite correct.

Unfortunately a terrorist CAN be a "prisoner" (even if you call it being a "detainee") and a "prisoner" actually has more rights than a POW.
 
joko104 said:
If any of those Navy Seals are still in the service they should be but on trial and discharged with dishonorable discharges, regardless of whether what they said is true or not.
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What an ignorant post.
 
cpwill said:
Of the two items (violates law and puts people in unnecessary danger), the first isn't really an exception, because you are still following orders. For the second, the point remains. You don't get to not follow orders because you don't like them.
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If the order is CLEARLY illegal, then you are unlikely to suffer from refusing to obey it.

If the order APPEARS TO BE illegal and/or UNNECESSARILY unsafe, then you have the option of requesting that you receive it in writing PRIOR to obeying it. The mere fact that a person requests that an order be issued in writing (so that there is absolutely no question as to who is responsible for the consequences of carrying out the order) is HIGHLY likely to get the person issuing the order to reconsider both the order and the reason why the person being ordered to comply with it doesn't want to do so.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
If the order is CLEARLY illegal, then you are unlikely to suffer from refusing to obey it.

If the order APPEARS TO BE illegal and/or UNNECESSARILY unsafe, then you have the option of requesting that you receive it in writing PRIOR to obeying it.
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Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. Battle does not generally allow for everyone to take a break and go back to the office and type something up.

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Jredbaron96 said:
Did you also know that Gallagher was on the path of being convicted of murdering a POW when a medic, whom already had gotten immunity in exchange for his testimony, suddenly changed his narrative and said he had killed the POW, and his only explanation was that he didn't want Gallagher to go to jail?
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...who already had gotten....

Sorry, I don't care much about bad grammar (including my own) but I have a thing about 'who' and 'whom' used improperly.


But, I know what you meant.
 
cpwill said:
Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. Battle does not generally allow for everyone to take a break and go back to the office and type something up.

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They do if you're part of the ADMINfantry.
 
SMTA said:
What an ignorant post.
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Actually the one who should be discharged is whoever leaked those interviews. Every soldier should be able to expect his interview in a sensitive matter such as this be kept within proper channels.

Aside from that. John Kerry murdered a wounded teenager in Vietnam and was awarded the Silver Star. His fellow river boaters did not think much of him either. Yet the Democrats ran him for president. Perhaps Gallagher has a political career too.
 
Vern said:
wow luther, what a lazy dodge. Just so you know, Trump wasn't there either. Do you know who was there? his platoon. They took the monumental (and possibly unprecedented) step of testifying against him. One of them even called him "freaking evil". If anybody was in a position to cut him slack for the stress it was them. But they didn't.

And do you know who else had a lazy response? Gallagher. His "excuse" for his platoon testifying against him was "wah wah they're wiars". Jumpin Jiminy, he's as whiny as most conservatives at this board. Geez, now I have to wonder if you, fenton, code, ocean, humbolt, marke, zimmer, eohrn, "American", fletch, vesper, cabse, Capt Adverse, Athan68, Oborosen, jmmotivator, bubba, SLC or lovebug are seals.
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You really have to wonder?
 
BahamaBob said:
As someone who has seen the elephant, I will tell you that war is not for the squeamish.
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There are countless others who have also seen the elephant yet managed to maintain their honor and professionalism without being snowflakes.

A jury found Gallagher innocent
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Really? Was the elephant you have seen in a zoo?

I think Gallagher has been through enough.
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Maybe because you are sinking to his level.

For some POS to drag his name through the mud reeks of no class and cowardice to me.
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Unlike some POS making pathetic excuses for someone who has brought dishonor to the service?
 
OscarLevant said:
This is really one uncool dude
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Gallagher is a piece of ****. And trump is as well for clearing this war criminal. Just awful. FOX News is another piece of **** for being a propaganda network that worked their collective asses off to brainwash their viewers into cheerleading for this war criminal asshole.
 
BahamaBob said:
Actually the one who should be discharged is whoever leaked those interviews. Every soldier should be able to expect his interview in a sensitive matter such as this be kept within proper channels.

Aside from that. John Kerry murdered a wounded teenager in Vietnam and was awarded the Silver Star. His fellow river boaters did not think much of him either. Yet the Democrats ran him for president. Perhaps Gallagher has a political career too.
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Oh great. We have a swift-boater. Yester-years' truthers even before the liars pushing Obama birth certificate fraud. Every few years you guys come up with the biggest ****ing lies.
 
Lutherf said:
High stress jobs cause different people to react very differently and to perceive their situation very differently than others might. Hindsight opens the opportunity to second guess those responses, both your own and those of others. It isn't unusual for rifts to appear in a team after a high stress situation as everyone seeks to understand in their own way what happened, what should have happened and what could have happened.
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The thing is, you know a murder when you see it. If murder can't cause a rift in a team, what can? The problem is that they are trained to kill. Part of their training is conditioning, by the military, to overcome the natural adversity to killing. Once that's switched off in a person, once they cross the line of taking life, and each time they cross it again, whether it's official, "honorable" killing or personal bigotry, it becomes easier and easier. And it can never be switched on again.

We make monsters because we "need" them to protect us from the enemy's monsters. We corrupt the natural morality of young people, as pawns to exercise the utility of vicarious murder. It's naive to think we can treat these reprogrammed humans like robots who suffer nothing at being forced in to moral compromises. Of course some of them forget the difference between one dead Muslim and another. That's our fault for expecting them to walk a narrow moral line through violent madness and not get any blood on their hands. The scary part is that they eventually come back home. You reap what you sow.
 
poweRob said:
Gallagher is a piece of ****. And trump is as well for clearing this war criminal. Just awful. FOX News is another piece of **** for being a propaganda network that worked their collective asses off to brainwash their viewers into cheerleading for this war criminal asshole.
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He’s a disgrace to the service and to this country. Naturally, conservatives love him.
 
Deuce said:
He’s a disgrace to the service and to this country. Naturally, conservatives love him.
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To be fair, I think conservatives in the general public were highly mislead again. This all showed the propaganda power of conservative politicians working with FOX News in manipulating millions to cheer and fight for a disgusting war criminal and against the hard working, law abiding service men and women.
 
poweRob said:
To be fair, I think conservatives in the general public were highly mislead again. This all showed the propaganda power of conservative politicians working with FOX News in manipulating millions to cheer and fight for a disgusting war criminal and against the hard working, law abiding service men and women.
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And like that Zimmerman character who was also a hero of the Right, one day we'll see Gallagher's name again in the news: road rage, domestic battery, pointing a gun at someone after some altercation, one of those most likely. He'll be back alright.
 
cpwill said:
Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. Battle does not generally allow for everyone to take a break and go back to the office and type something up.
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Quite right, that is one of the reasons why the military issues "Field Message Pads" in the US "Army Green Book - NSN 7530-00-222-3521")that come complete with sheets of "carbon paper".

PS - If you are really smart, you will insist on receiving the "carbon copy" because it is one hell of a lot more difficult to argue that a "carbon copy" has been altered than it is to argue that an "original" has been altered.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Quite right, that is one of the reasons why the military issues "Field Message Pads" in the US "Army Green Book - NSN 7530-00-222-3521")that come complete with sheets of "carbon paper".
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[emoji38] neat. How do you get one of those over a radio?
 
OscarLevant said:
...who already had gotten....

Sorry, I don't care much about bad grammar (including my own) but I have a thing about 'who' and 'whom' used improperly.


But, I know what you meant.
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Even more preferable would be "who had received" (just to remove the split infinitive and slang), the "already" in "had already" is superfluous in the past perfect tense..

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BahamaBob said:
Actually the one who should be discharged is whoever leaked those interviews. Every soldier should be able to expect his interview in a sensitive matter such as this be kept within proper channels.

Aside from that. John Kerry murdered a wounded teenager in Vietnam and was awarded the Silver Star. His fellow river boaters did not think much of him either. Yet the Democrats ran him for president. Perhaps Gallagher has a political career too.
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Hey, I haven't heard anyone singing "The Swiftboats Are A'Comin', There's Lying Tonight" in YEARS.

Sorta brings back all sorts of warm fuzzies, doesn't it?
 
cpwill said:
[emoji38] neat. How do you get one of those over a radio?
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How can you be sure that the person who is "issuing" the order over the radio is actually the person authorized to issue the order?

I mean, the order is patently illegal and it is a known fact that NONE of your superior officers would issue an illegal order - right?

Doesn't that mean that "**T*H*E** **E*N*E*M*Y**" has breached your side's communication security and was attempting to get you to do something illegal so that they could make propaganda points out of your illegal actions?
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Even more preferable would be "who had received" (just to remove the split infinitive and slang), the "already" in "had already" is superfluous in the past perfect tense..
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I'm not a grammar cop, maybe a 'who' and 'whom' cop when it's egregious, that's about it.
 
Vern said:
I agree Luther, it had to be extremely stressful to watch your platoon leader stab a POW or shoot civilians. It was probably even more stressful to make the decision to come forward and tell the truth.

The videos show how the Navy SEALs who spoke up against Gallagher appeared nervous to be breaking one of the cardinal rules of the elite force: do not report other SEALs for misconduct. Breaking that rule carried the risk of being labeled a traitor. But those who were interviewed by investigators, and have never spoken up publicly, seemed to believe they had no choice, considering the horrific things they had seen, including the shooting of civilians and the stabbing of a wounded detainee with a hunting knife.

Fellow Navy SEAL calls Edward Gallagher “freaking evil” in leaked video interview.

wait, were you making excuses for Gallagher?!?! No no luther, "cracking under stress" doesn't feed the conservative victim culture. It was a librul plot

Gallagher has long said the charges against him were fabricated by SEALs who were angry at him because they could not meet his high standards and wanted him out.
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Why should there exist a code that prohibits you from reporting misconduct? Doesn’t sound very patriotic. And these guys are called elites?
 
poweRob said:
Gallagher is a piece of ****. And trump is as well for clearing this war criminal. Just awful. FOX News is another piece of **** for being a propaganda network that worked their collective asses off to brainwash their viewers into cheerleading for this war criminal asshole.
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Yeah, I'll take a president who pardons a soldier accused of killing our enemies over one who pardons someone like Manning who deserted and caused the death of his fellow soldiers.
 
BahamaBob said:
Yeah, I'll take a president who pardons a soldier accused of killing our enemies over one who pardons someone like Manning who deserted and caused the death of his fellow soldiers.
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Now that's interesting.

Which President pardoned someone named "Manning"? There is no record of any President of the United States of America doing so.

Who is this "Manning" person who "deserted and caused the death of his fellow soldiers"?

Now I do know of a "Bergdahl" who was convicted (upon pleading guilty) of desertion and misbehavior before the enemy. However that happened on November 3, 2017 so, unless former Presidents of the United States of America retain the power to pardon people (and I don't think that they do) then the either

  1. the person who pardoned that "Bergdhal" was the person who was the President of the United States of America on November 3, 2017 (Do you know who that was?); or
  2. no such pardon was ever issued.

PS - Getting incredibly simple facts all bollixed up is a really good way of looking like a dunce so a bit of attention to basic research is always a good thing.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Now that's interesting.

Which President pardoned someone named "Manning"? There is no record of any President of the United States of America doing so.

Who is this "Manning" person who "deserted and caused the death of his fellow soldiers"?

Now I do know of a "Bergdahl" who was convicted (upon pleading guilty) of desertion and misbehavior before the enemy. However that happened on November 3, 2017 so, unless former Presidents of the United States of America retain the power to pardon people (and I don't think that they do) then the either

  1. the person who pardoned that "Bergdhal" was the person who was the President of the United States of America on November 3, 2017 (Do you know who that was?); or
  2. no such pardon was ever issued.

PS - Getting incredibly simple facts all bollixed up is a really good way of looking like a dunce so a bit of attention to basic research is always a good thing.
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Nothing like facts getting in the way of someone's agenda.
 
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