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Giuliani says he's 'more of a Jew' than Holocaust survivor George Soros

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I feel sorry for Mayor Giuliani.


He was once universally respected for his role during 9/11.

His activities (and words) during the last three years have sullied that reputation.
 
rocket88 said:
Giuliani says he'''s '''more of a Jew''' than Holocaust survivor George Soros

He's lost it.Asked by NBC News if his comments about being more Jewish than Soros were made in jest, Giuliani, who's of Italian descent and was raised Roman Catholic, responded by text, "I'm more Jewish than half my friends"
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First thought is what crowd does he run with to make that true....

Second thought is what kind of Jew- Russian, Ukrainian, or just Park Ave lipstick Jew...

Oh wait a sad thought, I wonder if he is using it as a slur to say he is tight fisted with his money.... :shock:

Anyway he does seem to losing his grip... :peace
 
rocket88 said:
Asked by NBC News if his comments about being more Jewish than Soros were made in jest, Giuliani, who's of Italian descent and was raised Roman Catholic, responded by text, "I'm more Jewish than half my friends"
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Not that I have any respect for the drag queen, many NYC residents of Italian descent pass similar remarks about being Jewish. They are speaking of the NYC Jewish culture, meaning language idioms, cuisine appreciation, other affections and not the religion. When Sammy Davis Jr converted to Judaism, Frank Sinatra greeted him with a hug and said "Welcome to the tribe. Now let'g go for bagels and lox." They celebrated with a non kosher dinner at Sammy's Romanian East, dining on broiled skirt steaks, greasy fried potatoes, half sour pickles, schmaltz on rye, and bottles of Tums. For many NYC secular Jews, a culinary paradise. Either there, or a visit to Pastrami King, another non Kosher restaurant.

There have been close ties culturally between ethnic Italians and secular Jews of NYC since Arnold Rothstein fixed the world series in 1919, and Meyer Lansky with Lucky Luciano organized crime with a corporate structure in the early 1930's. :)

Rudy has always been best at claiming glory from the accomplishments of others. It was Police Commission Bratton, hired by Rudy's predecessor Mayor Dinkins, who's policing policies started the reduction of crime in NYC. It was the great real estate families and mavens like Harry Helmsley and the Furst Family, the Tishmans among others which started gentrification, with major contributions from police and firemen working side gigs renovating old houses and small buildings, then flipping them. On 9/11 he hid in his bunker for 3 days before emerging and laying claim to being a first responder. And after the first bombing of the Trade Center, against all advice, Rudy ordered the construction of a multimillion $ bunker in the Trade Center. He had to hide in the old bunker under City Hall. His record as a Federal prosecutor prior to running for Mayor of NYC, was dismal at best. He was the prosecutor outfoxed by the Teflon Don, John Gotti three times. When Gotti was finally convicted by another prosecuting team, Rudy exclaimed "we finally nailed him" to reporters on City Hall steps. Of his other few cases resulting with convictions, all were overturned on appeals.
 
TheParser said:
I feel sorry for Mayor Giuliani.


He was once universally respected for his role during 9/11.

His activities (and words) during the last three years have sullied that reputation.
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Giuliani was always terrible. A complete skid mark of a person who's reputation was only saved because of 9/11.
 
Rudy is bat guano crazy.
 
Rudy sure does say stupid stuff, but the Schwartz family had some hardships during the Nazi occupation of Hungary but Soros has no business being called a holocaust survivor.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Not that I have any respect for the drag queen, many NYC residents of Italian descent pass similar remarks about being Jewish. They are speaking of the NYC Jewish culture, meaning language idioms, cuisine appreciation, other affections and not the religion. When Sammy Davis Jr converted to Judaism, Frank Sinatra greeted him with a hug and said "Welcome to the tribe. Now let'g go for bagels and lox." They celebrated with a non kosher dinner at Sammy's Romanian East, dining on broiled skirt steaks, greasy fried potatoes, half sour pickles, schmaltz on rye, and bottles of Tums. For many NYC secular Jews, a culinary paradise. Either there, or a visit to Pastrami King, another non Kosher restaurant.

There have been close ties culturally between ethnic Italians and secular Jews of NYC since Arnold Rothstein fixed the world series in 1919, and Meyer Lansky with Lucky Luciano organized crime with a corporate structure in the early 1930's. :)

Rudy has always been best at claiming glory from the accomplishments of others. It was Police Commission Bratton, hired by Rudy's predecessor Mayor Dinkins, who's policing policies started the reduction of crime in NYC. It was the great real estate families and mavens like Harry Helmsley and the Furst Family, the Tishmans among others which started gentrification, with major contributions from police and firemen working side gigs renovating old houses and small buildings, then flipping them. On 9/11 he hid in his bunker for 3 days before emerging and laying claim to being a first responder. And after the first bombing of the Trade Center, against all advice, Rudy ordered the construction of a multimillion $ bunker in the Trade Center. He had to hide in the old bunker under City Hall. His record as a Federal prosecutor prior to running for Mayor of NYC, was dismal at best. He was the prosecutor outfoxed by the Teflon Don, John Gotti three times. When Gotti was finally convicted by another prosecuting team, Rudy exclaimed "we finally nailed him" to reporters on City Hall steps. Of his other few cases resulting with convictions, all were overturned on appeals.
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You don't seem to have much respect for the man. Are you from NYC or a nearby location?
 
AliHajiSheik said:
Rudy sure does say stupid stuff, but the Schwartz family had some hardships during the Nazi occupation of Hungary but Soros has no business being called a holocaust survivor.
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At the Holocaust Museum in Israel, the Schwartz family and Soros are listed as Holocaust survivors. No one can say he bought his listing. No contributor to the museum has been allowed to donate more than $1k, most donations under $100. No honorariums for large donations. The Rothchild family underwrote the initial construction and gathering of materials for the museum, their names are mentioned nowhere at the museum, with exception of Saul, who as one of the contributing architects has his name with the other architects inscribed on a buried cornerstone.

The Holocaust was not only the work and death camps. It was the elimination of Jewish and Roma culture throughout Europe, the hiding and disruption for many families, the forced emigrations, the pogroms, the beatings and humiliations in the streets of all Europe. It is not for you to claim any rights of judgment for who is labeled a Holocaust survivor.
 
TheParser said:
I feel sorry for Mayor Giuliani.


He was once universally respected for his role during 9/11.

His activities (and words) during the last three years have sullied that reputation.
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He wasn’t universally respected at that moment.

People forget that 9/11 was also primary Election Day in New York City for the next Mayor.

Michael Bloomberg was widely expected to sweep the primary (as he did).

When the sun came up that morning, most New Yorkers were happy to see the back of Rudy Guliani. He had been a popular and successful mayor in his first term. But in his second, he seemed to go off the rails. He was term limited, so he was not on the ballot.

He grabbed the microphone on 9/11 and rehabilitated himself in TV land. People outside New York (especially right wingers), cheered.

George W Bush embraced him, and Rudy was off on a second career as a peddler of access to the Bush Administration (and to the GOP establishment and Fox Noise contributor).

His next act was to try and get his old buddy Bernie Kerik made the Secretary fo the new Department of Homeland Security.

Then we learned,that “America’s Mayor and his former police chief, were maintaining a secret private apartment attacked to the police sub station in the WTC complex.

This is Rudy’s last hurrah. He knows it too.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
Soros has no business being called a holocaust survivor.
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??

Source:
"Holocaust survivors are commonly understood to be Jews who survived the persecution and attempted annihilation of the Jewish people by Nazi Germany and its allies in Europe and North Africa during the Holocaust before and during World War II, from the rise of the Nazi party to power in Germany in 1933 until the defeat of Nazi Germany in 1945."

Source:
"Born in Budapest, Soros survived Nazi Germany-occupied Hungary and emigrated to the United Kingdom in 1947"

Source:
"Soros was born on August 12, 1930 in Budapest.[43] That would have made him 13 years old when Nazi Germany invaded Hungary on March 19, 1944 and began mass deportation of Jews to concentration camps shortly thereafter.[44] Soros was 14 years old when the Soviet Army liberated Hungary on February 13, 1945."
 
Rising Sun said:
Then there’s just crazy which I believe Rudy to be. He’s going to find himself in jail at this rate.
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Not likely. He's a slick NYC lawyer, and he does know the limitations of law. He might skirt the edges, but that's it. He's no Hunter Biden.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Not that I have any respect for the drag queen, many NYC residents of Italian descent pass similar remarks about being Jewish. They are speaking of the NYC Jewish culture, meaning language idioms, cuisine appreciation, other affections and not the religion. When Sammy Davis Jr converted to Judaism, Frank Sinatra greeted him with a hug and said "Welcome to the tribe. Now let'g go for bagels and lox." They celebrated with a non kosher dinner at Sammy's Romanian East, dining on broiled skirt steaks, greasy fried potatoes, half sour pickles, schmaltz on rye, and bottles of Tums. For many NYC secular Jews, a culinary paradise. Either there, or a visit to Pastrami King, another non Kosher restaurant.

There have been close ties culturally between ethnic Italians and secular Jews of NYC since Arnold Rothstein fixed the world series in 1919, and Meyer Lansky with Lucky Luciano organized crime with a corporate structure in the early 1930's. :)

Rudy has always been best at claiming glory from the accomplishments of others. It was Police Commission Bratton, hired by Rudy's predecessor Mayor Dinkins, who's policing policies started the reduction of crime in NYC. It was the great real estate families and mavens like Harry Helmsley and the Furst Family, the Tishmans among others which started gentrification, with major contributions from police and firemen working side gigs renovating old houses and small buildings, then flipping them. On 9/11 he hid in his bunker for 3 days before emerging and laying claim to being a first responder. And after the first bombing of the Trade Center, against all advice, Rudy ordered the construction of a multimillion $ bunker in the Trade Center. He had to hide in the old bunker under City Hall. His record as a Federal prosecutor prior to running for Mayor of NYC, was dismal at best. He was the prosecutor outfoxed by the Teflon Don, John Gotti three times. When Gotti was finally convicted by another prosecuting team, Rudy exclaimed "we finally nailed him" to reporters on City Hall steps. Of his other few cases resulting with convictions, all were overturned on appeals.
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Don’t forget the little episode when Rudy tried to get Bernie Kerik the gig at Homeland Security, or the little love nest they maintained in the WTC!
 
OldFatGuy said:
At the Holocaust Museum in Israel, the Schwartz family and Soros are listed as Holocaust survivors. No one can say he bought his listing. No contributor to the museum has been allowed to donate more than $1k, most donations under $100. No honorariums for large donations. The Rothchild family underwrote the initial construction and gathering of materials for the museum, their names are mentioned nowhere at the museum, with exception of Saul, who as one of the contributing architects has his name with the other architects inscribed on a buried cornerstone.

The Holocaust was not only the work and death camps. It was the elimination of Jewish and Roma culture throughout Europe, the hiding and disruption for many families, the forced emigrations, the pogroms, the beatings and humiliations in the streets of all Europe. It is not for you to claim any rights of judgment for who is labeled a Holocaust survivor.
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Very well said and accurate. However perhaps Soros could be the exception. After all his views on Israel if implemented would likely cause a second Holocaust IMO.
 
JustHanging said:
You don't seem to have much respect for the man. Are you from NYC or a nearby location?
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That is an understatement. Yes, I am an almost lifelong resident of NYC. Born and raised, departed only for military service and some higher education, but the latter remaining in NYS.

Probably, the most reviled politicians in NYC are its mayors, former and present. Even the Little Flower, Fiorello LaGuardia, who was loved by many reading the Sunday comics to the kids on the radio during a newspaper strike, faced derision during and after leaving office. He and the corrupt Jimmie Walker were the city's two most respected and loved mayors. Just about every other mayor went down in ignominy. Many NYC citizens would like to see the current mayor, progressive BS artist, Bill DeBlasio tarred, feathered and run out of town on a rail. :)
 
washunut said:
Very well said and accurate. However perhaps Soros could be the exception. After all his views on Israel if implemented would likely cause a second Holocaust IMO.
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Never judge a book by its cover. Soros may criticize Israel in public, but his fortune was made running Israeli guns and military equipment in the third world. Despite all the self created myths, he is essentially a gun runner and smuggler, business based in Israel. His connections with the Hungarian, Bulgarian, Albanian and Greek underworlds are the secret to his success. The Onassis family made its initial fortunes as smugglers. Oil transport was a lucky deviation. The Onassis family controls more ships and boats than the US Navy. They have partnered with Soros from the beginning of his career, for their mutual benefit. It was Soros who arranged the introduction of Jackie to Ari. You got to love his matchmaking heart. :) The US is the single largest exporter of guns and weapons. Soros has been the best of US intermediaries in the marketplace. Little in this life is what it seems.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Not likely. He's a slick NYC lawyer, and he does know the limitations of law. He might skirt the edges, but that's it. He's no Hunter Biden.
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Guliani grew up in the same world as Donald Trump and Micheal Cohen.

Rudy’s dad was a minor lieutenant in a Mafia family who did collections for the protection rackets.

His was a world of small time hustler, taxi cab medallion types, small time ambulance chaser lawyers, and sleazy small businessmen and slumlords.

Neither Guliani nor Trump ever really left that world.

And both of them are wannabes. Craving the respect of the plutocrats on Park Avenue.
 
OldFatGuy said:
At the Holocaust Museum in Israel, the Schwartz family and Soros are listed as Holocaust survivors. No one can say he bought his listing. No contributor to the museum has been allowed to donate more than $1k, most donations under $100. No honorariums for large donations. The Rothchild family underwrote the initial construction and gathering of materials for the museum, their names are mentioned nowhere at the museum, with exception of Saul, who as one of the contributing architects has his name with the other architects inscribed on a buried cornerstone.

The Holocaust was not only the work and death camps. It was the elimination of Jewish and Roma culture throughout Europe, the hiding and disruption for many families, the forced emigrations, the pogroms, the beatings and humiliations in the streets of all Europe. It is not for you to claim any rights of judgment for who is labeled a Holocaust survivor.
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Please provide a link to the Schwartz family and Soros in the Yad Vashem database, I see nothing that comes up: https://yvng.yadvashem.org/

There are many qualifications and degrees of holocaust survivor. Even according to Yad Vashem:

Philosophically, one might say that all Jews, anywhere in the world, who were still alive by the end of 1945, survived the Nazi genocidal intention, yet this is too broad a definition, as it lacks the distinction between those who suffered the tyrannical Nazi "boot on their neck," and those who might have, had the war against Nazism been lost. At Yad Vashem, we define Shoah survivors as Jews who lived for any amount of time under Nazi domination, direct or indirect, and survived. This includes French, Bulgarian and Romanian Jews who spent the entire war under anti-Jewish terror regimes but were not all deported, as well as Jews who forcefully left Germany in the late 1930s. From a larger perspective, other destitute Jewish refugees who escaped their countries fleeing the invading German army, including those who spent years and in many cases died deep in the Soviet Union, may also be considered Holocaust survivors. No historical definition can be completely satisfactory.
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I accept that by some definitions the Schwartz family are holocaust survivors. As for rights, this is a debate board, some of our families weren't as "lucky" as the Schwartz's of Budapest.
 
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